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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:08:49 No.25208083 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>25208092 >>25208157 >>25208261 >>25208638 >>25211247 >>25211295 >>25211715 >>25211741 >>25214772 >>25216144

How do we save it?
Evolutions? Megas? Alternate forms? Signature moves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:10:02 No.25208089 Report

Quoted By: >>25208163 >>25208838

Bug/fighting, pure power is totally appropriate here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:10:32 No.25208092 Report

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>>25208083
At this point it can either evolve (though some believe new evolution are never going happen again) or a mega.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:11:20 No.25208096 Report

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give it a mega evolution with +100 attack and maybe +100 speed lol and huge power too and uh give it megahorn and brave bird and uh it's immune to stealth rock and it has flash fire and volt absorb and ice absorb and is immune to talonflame but it'd still be a shitmon lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:13:41 No.25208118 Report

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retcon it. just put it out of its misery

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:19:02 No.25208157 Report

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>>25208083
Let it sit in the corner and slowly die

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:19:25 No.25208163 Report

Quoted By: >>25208279

>>25208089
>pure power
its attack stat would cap at 370 without boosts, which is equivalent to a base 119 attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:24:53 No.25208199 Report

Quoted By: >>25208305

People keep trying to force it into an offensive bitch-fucker, but it could actually be a fantastic bulky pivot team player mega. Screens, Struggle Bug, it has a really nice support moveset.

You've gotta accept that not every Mega is destined to be a nuke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:35:05 No.25208261 Report

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>>25208083
>Swap Physical and Special attack. It used to have higher special attack for elemental punches, but this is no longer relevant to it. It's a punching based Pokemon that gets several good physical moves with only 35 base attack, that's pathetic. (Honestly this should have already happened to several Pokemon, like Sceptile, but whatever.)
Then
>Give it Pure Power, or
>Give it a Mega Evolution with a Bug/Fighting typing, with boosted Attack and bulk. Then give it either technician to abuse Mach Punch and Bug Bite, let it keep Iron Fist for Mach Punch, Drain Punch, and Elemental Punches, or give it Pure Power for maximum power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:37:13 No.25208279 Report

Quoted By: >>25208350

>>25208163
Oh no at 85 speed no one will be able to counter this speed demon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:40:04 No.25208305 Report

Quoted By: >>25208353

>>25208199
I could accept that if Gamefreak didn't keep pretending that it's a physical attacker.
>Drain Punch
>Mach Punch
>Dizzy Punch
>Elemental Punches
>Knock-Off
>Iron Fist as a hidden ability

>Only 35 base attack

A support mega would be neat, but Gamefreak really seems to like to paint it like some sort of physical attacker. At the very least, if its mega is support based, it needs a type change. Bug/Flying is awful, so maybe Bug/Fairy I would say Bug/Steel, but that's cliche?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:43:59 No.25208324 Report

Quoted By: >>25208334 >>25208350 >>25208765

Why did they make it so shitty? I get not every mon is supposed to be a powerhouse, least of all an early game bug but why bother having a two form bug line that's awful even in game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:46:30 No.25208334 Report

Quoted By: >>25209972

>>25208324
In Gen II it at least has some use as a support mon that can hit back with elemental punches.
It was never great, but the Physical/Special split screwed it even more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:49:08 No.25208350 Report

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>>25208279
to top it off, all of its attack options are milquetoast in base power except for acrobatics. ledian has a very impressive movepool for a bug and flying type though

>>25208324
it kicked ass until you got access to the real pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:49:24 No.25208353 Report

Quoted By: >>25208401

>>25208305
>a pokemon with boxing gloves shouldn't have punching moves
it learns plenty of support moves you silly willy

it's the idiotic fans that keep projecting "physical sweeper" on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 23:57:24 No.25208401 Report

Quoted By: >>25208663

>>25208353
>it learns plenty of support moves you silly willy
I never argued that. I'm just saying that almost everything else about it, from design to attack selection to abilities, suggests that Gamefreak intends for it to be an offensive Pokemon. Just look at its abilities

>Swarm
Only good for attacking.
>Early Bird
Might work for a Rest build, but even then only so-so
>Iron Fist
Only good for attacking

I have nothing against it being a support Pokemon, but Gamefreak should at least have the decency of designing it like one. Why not Limber instead of Swarm, or how about Regenerator as a hidden ability? Something that helps it in a support role.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 00:44:41 No.25208638 Report

Quoted By: >>25208747

>>25208083
>Make its evolution Bug/Normal with Magic Guard
>Appearance is more humanoid, with a scarf
>Give it a set of signature moves called things like "Burning Mode", "Thunder Mode"
>Each move boosts a different stat by 2 stages, with increased priority
>Using one of these moves also changes its form: E.g. Burning Form is Bug/Fire with the Flash Fire ability, Iron Form is Bug/Steel with Filter
>Basically, turn it into a mindgames mon with a huge number of potential movesets

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 00:46:19 No.25208644 Report

Quoted By: >>25208849

Prankster, give Taunt, beef defenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 00:50:27 No.25208663 Report

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>>25208401
and it also has shit typing and shit everything else besides SpDef

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 00:51:52 No.25208672 Report

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Why not give it a regular cross gen evo and then give that mon a mega?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 00:56:01 No.25208685 Report

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Give it an evo using the Dawn Stone. No Mega evo nonsense, just a straight-up evo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 01:10:09 No.25208747 Report

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>>25208638
This is a bit much but I would kill for a Sentai based Pokemon, we already have Bisharp to be the enemy of justice, we just need a hero.
Ledyba branch evolution when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 01:14:34 No.25208765 Report

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>>25208324
The design is all over the place, I get the feeling multiple people handled the design of it independently and all took a completely different approach, then they got smooshed together in a hurry or something. They decide to make Kamen Rider bug, one guy decides to emphasise punching, one guy goes with the protection angle, and another guy goes with "he's a low-level bug, give him stats to match".

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 01:22:39 No.25208815 Report

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Make it so Ledian has a divergent evolution. Either through stones or day/night evolution.

First evolution is based on a powerhouse offensive hero. More speed, more physical defense, Technician, give it Pin Missile, Bullet Seed, Bullet Punch, Fake Out. Some as egg moves, others as relearner moves.

Other evolution is support-based. Big HP, both defenses buffed, more expansive support movepool with WoW and Taunt. T-Wave, Bounce, Magic Coat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 01:26:18 No.25208838 Report

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>>25208089
>pure power
>JP name: Yoga Power
Just go with Huge Power. There's a reason why the other, functionally identical ability has only been seen on one evolutionary line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 01:28:46 No.25208849 Report

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>>25208644
Pretty much this.

+65 Def
+35 Speed
Prankster.

You now have the fastest prankster in game and it has access to Encore, Screens, BatonPass, Safeguard and Agility.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 04:00:42 No.25209800 Report

Quoted By: >>25209813 >>25210089

>mega
>+ 40 speed, +60 defense
>bug/fighting
>new ability makes punching moves hit 4 times

would this be good? PuP would hit 4 times, but it would still have base 35 attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 04:02:14 No.25209813 Report

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>>25209800

That would still be a real shit mega

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 04:14:27 No.25209898 Report

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It already got a starring role in a Pokestar Studios movie, it doesn't need saving

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 04:24:04 No.25209972 Report

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>>25208334
hey my Ledian rekt Lance squad in Crystal so at least for ingame it was ok, with the time it didn't quite catch up though
they could swap atk and spatk since GF now proved that they can alter stats with XY, then proceed to give it a mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 04:39:52 No.25210089 Report

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>>25209800
Checking in the calculator and assuming all four attacks hit for normal damage that's hilariously broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 10:22:38 No.25211247 Report

Quoted By: >>25211250 >>25212767 >>25214731

>>25208083

Incoming autism:

#166 - Ledian, the Five Star Pokémon
Type: Bug/Flying → Bug/Fairy
Type vulnerabilities:
-Normal: x1 → x1
-Fighting: x ½ → x ¼
-Flying: x2 → x2
-Fire: x2 → x2
-Electric: x2 → x1
-Water: x1 → x1
-Ice: x2 → x1
-Grass: x ¼ → x ½
-Bug: x ½ → x ½
-Poison: x1 → x2
-Ground: x0 → x ½
-Rock: x4 → x2
-Steel: x1 → x2
-Psychic: x1 → x1
-Ghost: x1 → x1
-Dark: x1 → x ½
-Dragon: x1 → x0
-Fairy: x1 → x1

Abilities:
-Swarm → Guts
-Early Bird → Defiant
-Iron Fist

Original base stats: 390 total
-HP: 55 (115 - 130 - 162)(220 - 251 - 314)
-Atk: 35 (36 - 55 - 87 - 95)(67 - 106 - 169 - 185)
-Def: 50 (49 - 70 - 102 - 112)(94 - 136 - 199 - 218)
-SpA: 55 (54 - 75 - 107 - 117)(103 - 146 - 209 - 229)
-SpD: 110 (103 - 130 - 162 - 178)(202 - 256 - 319 - 350)
-Spe: 85 (81 - 105 - 137 - 150)(157 - 206 - 269 - 295)

Buffed base stats: 500 (+110) total.
-HP: 84 (+29), (144 - 159 - 191)(278 - 309 - 372)
-Atk: 101 (+66), (95 - 121 - 153 - 168)(186 - 238 - 301 - 331)
-Def: 60 (+10), (58 - 80 - 112 - 123)(112 - 156 - 219 - 240)
-SpA: 35 (-20), (36 - 55 - 87 - 95)(67 - 106 - 169 - 185)
-SpD: 120 (+10), (112 - 140 - 172 - 189)(220 - 276 - 339 - 372)
-Spe: 100 (+15), (94 - 120 - 152 - 167)(184 - 236 - 299 - 328)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 10:24:15 No.25211250 Report

Quoted By: >>25211252 >>25212767

>>25211247

Level-up moves:
-Level 00: Comet Punch, Supersonic, Tackle
-Level 06: Supersonic
-Level 09 → 10: Comet Punch
-Level 14: Light Screen, Reflect, Safeguard → Mach Punch
-Level 17 → 18: Mach Punch → Dizzy Punch
-Level 24 → 22: Baton Pass → Lucky Chant
-Level 29 → 26: Silver Wind
-Level 36 → 30: Agility
-Level 41 → 34: Swift → Mega Punch
-Level 48 → 38: Double-edge → Play Rough
+Level 42: Baton Pass
+Level 46: Double-edge
-Level 53 → 50: Quiver Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 10:25:27 No.25211252 Report

Quoted By: >>25211254 >>25212767

>>25211250

TM/HM moves:
+TM04: Calm Mind
+TM08: Bulk Up
-TM06: Toxic
-TM10: Hidden Power
-TM11: Sunny Day
-TM15: Hyper Beam
-TM16: Light Screen
-TM17: Protect
-TM19: Roost
-TM20: Safeguard
-TM21: Frustration
-TM22: Solar Beam
-TM27: Return
-TM28: Dig
-TM31: Brick Break
-TM32: Double Team
-TM33: Reflect
-TM40: Aerial Ace
-TM42: Façade
-TM44: Rest
-TM45: Attract
-TM46: Thief
-TM48: Round
+TM49: Echoed Voice
-TM52: Focus Blast
+TM53: Energy Ball
+TM54: False Swipe
-TM56: Fling
-TM62: Acrobatics
+TM67: Retaliate
-TM68: Giga Impact
-TM70: Flash
-TM75: Swords Dance
-TM76: Struggle Bug
+TM77: Psych Up
-TM83: Infestation
+TM84: Poison Jab
-TM87: Swagger
-TM88: Sleep Talk
-TM89: U-turn
-TM90: Substitute
-TM94: Secret Power
+TM96: Nature Power
-TM98: Power-up Punch
-TM100: Confide
-HM04: Strength
-HM06: Rock Smash

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 10:26:34 No.25211254 Report

Quoted By: >>25212767

>>25211252

Egg-only moves:
-Bide
+Counter
-Dizzy Punch
+Defog
-Encore
+Moonlight
-Psybeam
+Pursuit
-Screech

Move Tutor moves:
-Bug Bite
+Covet
-Drain Punch
+Dual Chop
-Focus Punch
-Giga Drain
+Helping Hand
-Ice Punch
-Knock Off
+Signal Beam
-Snore
+Superpower
-Tailwind
-Thunder Punch
-Uproar

Transfer-only moves:
-Air Cutter
-Captivate
-Endure
-Fury Cutter
-Mimic
-Ominous Wind
-String Shot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 10:43:08 No.25211295 Report

Quoted By: >>25214731

>>25208083

> Ledian is bad meme

It's a good Pokémon, just feel into disuse because of new generations power creeping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 11:40:17 No.25211433 Report

Quoted By: >>25214731

Mega Ledian
Type: Bug/Fairy
Ability: Prankster
HP: 55 > 55
ATK: 35 > 125 (+90)
DEF: 50 > 50
SPA: 55 > 25 (-30)
SPD: 110 > 110
SPE: 85 > 125 (+40)

Specially defensive physical attacker backed up by a unique type and Prankster Swords Dance, Baton Pass and Encore. Basically a shittier Thundurus.

Mega Ledian
Type: Bug/Fighting
Ability: Barrage Fist (Punch attacks deal less damage but hit 2-4 times if they already didn't, 30% chance of 3 hits and 10% chance of 4)
HP: 55 > 55
ATK: 35 > 115 (+90)
DEF: 50 > 65 (+15)
SPA: 55 > 35 (-30)
SPD: 110 > 65 (-35)
SPE: 85 > 145 (+60)

Comparatively frail sweeper that gets anally annihilated by priority and anything powerful it can't kill in one go, makes up for it with the potential of +2-+4 attack in one turn with STAB Power-Up Punch combined with multi-hitting STAB Drain Punch, plus Ice and Thunder Punch for coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 13:36:36 No.25211715 Report

Quoted By: >>25211730 >>25214731

>>25208083
Mega Evolution

Metal Ledian
Typing: Bug/Normal
Ability: Sturdy
Acccess to Flail and Extremespeed via level up

Post Mega Stats

HP: 55
Att: 175
Def 20
Spec Att: 55
Spec Def: 20
Spee: 165

Moves:
Extremespeed
Flail
Swords Dance
Drain Punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 13:41:00 No.25211730 Report

Quoted By: >>25211738

>>25211715
Or my actual idea
Just keep it as it, max it''s HP and Speed.
Roost, U-turn, Light Screen, Reflect w/ Lightclay/focus sash

It's not powerful but it does something neat and supportive

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 13:42:48 No.25211738 Report

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>>25211730
My third idea is utilize infestation and baton pass to trap something and switch to a counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 13:43:55 No.25211741 Report

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>>25208083
Wonder Guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 17:43:24 No.25212767 Report

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>>25211247
>>25211250
>>25211252
>>25211254

You weren't joking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 23:47:05 No.25214678 Report

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Mega Evolution: Attack +100, Sp. Attack -20, Defense +20. Ability Iron Fist.
Boost Comet Punch to 25 base power.
Meteor Mash via levelup, elemental punches via Tutors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 23:57:35 No.25214731 Report

Quoted By: >>25216633 >>25216641

>>25211247
>-Fighting: x ½ → x ¼
Actually it would remain the same, flying resists fighting too.

Also that might be a little too good.
>Quiver Dance and Baton Pass with those stats.

>>25211295
It's not a meme if it's true.

>>25211433
Neither of those are worth a Mega slot. The first one falls in the same trap as Mega Banette, while the later is a shittier Mega Beedrill.

>>25211715
That's stupidly good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Feb 2016 00:06:27 No.25214772 Report

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>>25208083
New Evo
Bug/Fairy, add more defense, speed, HP, give supportive ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Feb 2016 03:22:07 No.25215855 Report

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Some signature kick-ass abilitywould be the only way to really put it into OU.

Evolutions aren't going to happen anymore a this point and even a min-maxed mega wouldn't redeem it. Look at beedrill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Feb 2016 04:19:26 No.25216144 Report

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>>25208083
1. new evolution
2. mega of that evolution
3. disappear the bravest bird forever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Feb 2016 06:13:05 No.25216633 Report

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>>25214731

There's worse things in the metagame than Pokémon capable of passing stat boosts. On Ledian itself Quiver Dance only really serves to boost its speed, as raising its Special Defense doesn't fix a base 65 defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Feb 2016 06:14:23 No.25216641 Report

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>>25214731

But yeah I forgot Bug/Flying is already super resistant to Fighting.

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