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Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 16:46:38 No.26458967 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>26458985 >>26459007 >>26459127 >>26459138 >>26459176 >>26459228 >>26459270 >>26459697 >>26462589 >>26462609 >>26462626

itt:dumb ideas /vp/ has
>ban scald
>nerf fairies
>get rid of ivs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 16:47:32 No.26458980 Report

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>Get rid off Mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 16:48:06 No.26458985 Report

Quoted By: >>26459008

>>26458967
You have obviously never played competitively in your life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 16:50:21 No.26459007 Report

Quoted By: >>26460086

>>26458967
Banning Scald and nerfing Fairies aren't just /vp/ ideas. The IV system is pretty valuable for Hidden Powers and for letting certain Pokemon underspeed other Pokemon. If anything, it could be truncated, but that might not preserve the original distancing between number values.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 16:50:22 No.26459008 Report

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>>26458985

I don't like people having fun that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:04:41 No.26459127 Report

Quoted By: >>26459151

>>26458967
Ban Scald is my favorite.
>my setup sweeper got burned forcing me to disconnect like a faggot REEEEEEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:05:41 No.26459138 Report

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>>26458967
>following pokemon should return

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:07:52 No.26459151 Report

Quoted By: >>26459187 >>26459203 >>26459224 >>26462768

>>26459127
>most water pokemon have access to a move that has more chance to burn than most fire move
I want scald to be banned because it's just more water dick sucking from Game Freak.

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Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:10:12 No.26459176 Report

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>>26458967
>gen 3 is bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:10:57 No.26459187 Report

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>>26459151
>what is lava plume

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:12:38 No.26459203 Report

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>>26459151
>sacred fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:14:17 No.26459216 Report

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>>26459187
I said "than most fire move", then compare lava plume distribution to scald distribution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:14:36 No.26459221 Report

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>>26459187
>>26459203
Those moves with poor distribution are not comparable to a TM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:14:55 No.26459223 Report

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>>26459187
He said most fire moves.
Lava Plume has shitty distribution, unlike Scald that every Water pokémon and their mother get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:14:55 No.26459224 Report

Quoted By: >>26459276

>>26459151
No, you want Scald banned because of your own dick sucking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:15:11 No.26459228 Report

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>>26458967
The game is the bible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:19:21 No.26459266 Report

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>buff grass and bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:20:04 No.26459270 Report

Quoted By: >>26459393

>>26458967
>Scald now does regular damage against fire types instead of SE damage.

Did I fixed it now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:20:38 No.26459276 Report

Quoted By: >>26459355 >>26459505 >>26459624

>>26459224
I will stop wanting to see scald banned the day gamefreak make a 80 bp ice move that has a 30% chance to freeze that only ice type can learn and has a good distribution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:29:09 No.26459355 Report

Quoted By: >>26459422

>>26459276
>comparing burned to frozen
Confirmed retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:33:19 No.26459393 Report

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>>26459270
nigga, not even close

reduce chance of burn to 15-20% then we have a deal

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:37:14 No.26459422 Report

Quoted By: >>26459544

>>26459355
>implying it's too much when the only type who will be able to use it has so many weakness that it will get one shoted anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:46:03 No.26459505 Report

Quoted By: >>26459574 >>26459763

>>26459276
If you want to compare Scald to something, it's like a ground type move with a 30% chance to paralyze. You either take SE damage and prevent status, or take NVE or normal damage and pray you don't get paralyzed, or burned for Scald.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:49:52 No.26459544 Report

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>>26459422
>what is Lapras
>what is Walrein
>what is Froslass
>what is Choice Scarf

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:53:32 No.26459574 Report

Quoted By: >>26459597

>>26459505
And then Zapdos exists but your point has been made

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:56:40 No.26459597 Report

Quoted By: >>26459608

>>26459574
Well, Volcanion exists for Scald, but it is true there are more electric levitators out there than there are water absorb fire types.

Also, Balloon > Luminous Moss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 17:58:25 No.26459608 Report

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>>26459597
>Magnemite line still doesn't get Levitate
I fucking hate Game Freak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 18:00:10 No.26459624 Report

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>>26459276
>Weavile used Deep Freeze!
>Keldeo lost 12% of it's health!
>Keldeo was frozen!
>Keldeo thawed!
>Keldeo used Scald!
>Weavile lost 82% of it's health!
>Weavile was burned!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 18:04:43 No.26459665 Report

Quoted By: >>26459763

Why is Scald a bad move?

Would it be better if it had a BP of 65, like Spark?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 18:07:34 No.26459697 Report

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>>26458967
So it's a good idea that frighten dummies scared of change thread?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 18:13:07 No.26459745 Report

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There is literally nothing good about IVs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 18:14:47 No.26459763 Report

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>>26459665
See >>26459505

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 18:15:30 No.26459767 Report

Quoted By: >>26459863

I once saw a thread where someone suggested giving Haxorus a mega evo with 197 Attack as its new base attack and with mold breaker still.

I'll let it sink in on if it's the best or dumbest idea ever.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 18:23:27 No.26459863 Report

Quoted By: >>26459988

>>26459767
I think that if Haxorus does get a mega, it's attack would probably go up 30 or 10 points, but it would have to sacrifice defense or speed for such a high stat. 197, however, is just over kill to the max especially because Haxorus can learn Dragon Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 18:34:54 No.26459988 Report

Quoted By: >>26460042

>>26459863
Even did a bit of checking with Evolite Chansey, Primal Ogre, and even Mega Aggron to see how absurd shit would get with a +2 Adamant Mega Hax with max attack.

+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Outrage vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 783-922 (121.9 - 143.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Outrage vs. 248 HP / 248+ Def Primal Kyogre: 459-540 (113.8 - 133.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Mega Aggron: 282-334 (81.9 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

This this info as you will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 18:43:39 No.26460042 Report

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>>26459988
Is that 197 ATK? If so, that's not as broken as I thought it was gonna be

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 18:47:02 No.26460086 Report

Quoted By: >>26460285 >>26460619

>>26459007
why not just add more EV´s instead of IV? I really can´t see the negative thing about that. you can add something different for Hidden Power.

Where is the downside?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 19:10:24 No.26460285 Report

Quoted By: >>26460290

>>26460086
Do you know how little Ev's REALLY matter? They do, but it's a stat point at level 100

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 19:11:25 No.26460290 Report

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>>26460285
How little IV's matter*

Not EV's they are most important.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 19:12:16 No.26460295 Report

Quoted By: >>26460397

>remove the TM for scald

fixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 19:21:27 No.26460397 Report

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>>26460295
Too little, too late. As long as transfer between older and newer games is possible, that will not fix anything. It will simply make any new water types that don't learn it by level up/egg less desirable.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 19:24:48 No.26460441 Report

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ban sneaky pebbles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 19:37:04 No.26460598 Report

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>>26460441
>that file name

Everyone knows that it's a mental illness you retard. Transitioning is the treatment, until they discover something better. Therapy and conversion shit doesn't work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 19:38:07 No.26460619 Report

Quoted By: >>26460746 >>26462849

>>26460086
>why not just add more EV´s instead of IV?
>Where is the downside?

It needs to be separate, and here is an example of the value.

I want my Vaporeon to have the least amount of Attack possible and just enough Speed to be slower than Clefable. How do I do that? I make Vaporeon an Attack-hindering Nature, and put the Atk IV to 0. Clefable has a Speed of 156 at Lv 100, so I want 155. Since Vaporeon's Speed is 166, to make it slower I drop the Speed IV from 31 to 20, to get 155.

I want minimum Attack for Foul Play and confusion damage. I want enough Speed to underrun Clefable so I can switch safely into Heatran or Scizor or Mega Metagross via Baton Pass so those guys don't take a Thunder Wave or Fire attack on the predict.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 19:50:12 No.26460746 Report

Quoted By: >>26460762 >>26460991 >>26461169

>>26460619
Ugh this is the thing I hate the most about competitive battling.

I shouldn't have to make my team already thinking about countering specific Pokémon because I know everyone is going to use them. Like ooh I need to have a Landorus check, a M. Metagross check... I know it is what it is but damn, it sucks the joy out of the whole thing to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 19:52:14 No.26460762 Report

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>>26460746
Then just play lower in the ladder, where you clearly are. Nobody does that kind of thing down there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 20:14:21 No.26460991 Report

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>>26460746
This happens in almost any competitive game ever. In mtg, you have to build your deck/sideboard already thinking about countering specific matchups because you know everyone is going to use them.

It is actually what most competitive battlers like about this, fine tuning your pokemons until the point that they are optimal. And optimal =/= highest stats as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 20:33:30 No.26461169 Report

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>>26460746
But you don't absolutely have to do all this, especially on card. It's easy to think about such things on Showdown, but you probably wont think about this at the start anyway, but find out how to make your team better after some battles. And then you can start with some finetuning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 22:51:59 No.26462427 Report

Quoted By: >>26462470

You know why IVs are dumb? They dont actually change anything. Its just 31 more stats in every stat. If you took them away, literally nothing would change besides seismic toss getting a minor buff in the odd case

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 22:56:01 No.26462462 Report

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>There should be a sound type

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 22:56:46 No.26462470 Report

Quoted By: >>26462500 >>26462533

>>26462427
IV's helps build uniqueness of each pokemon at born. IV is the only reason why breeding is a thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:00:24 No.26462500 Report

Quoted By: >>26462849

>>26462470
>what are egg moves
>what are natures

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:03:50 No.26462533 Report

Quoted By: >>26462584 >>26462849

>>26462470
In theory it does, but for the story and post game ivs dont matter at all, and for comp every pokemon has 31 ivs in every stat anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:09:29 No.26462584 Report

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>>26462533
Hidden power though

they should remove IVs, instead giving +15 to all stats compared to what is now 0 IV. Hidden Power types can be an additional RNG thing. Repurpose Destiny Knot to make babies keep the Hidden Power type of the parent holding it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:09:48 No.26462589 Report

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>>26458967
I don't want to nerf fairies as fairies represent an imporant resist to broken-ass dark type that would otherwise just have other dark types and fighting types which always get worn down.

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Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:12:24 No.26462609 Report

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>>26458967
>that time everyone fucking shat or shitposted XDD I H8 LUV to people who didn't believe love type existed
I'm fucking glad they got btfo'd too after XY dropped. Same with anti fairy fags.

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Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:14:03 No.26462626 Report

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>>26458967
>Any generation besides 6 is actually bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:22:52 No.26462728 Report

Quoted By: >>26462743 >>26462887

>broken-ass dark type

every retard. I can't believe there are honestly people here who think dark is a broken type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:23:54 No.26462743 Report

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>>26462728
Meant to quote >>26462589 but didn't for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:26:48 No.26462768 Report

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>>26459151
>Gen 7
>Lava Plume is now a TM

Does this make up for Scald /vp/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:34:49 No.26462849 Report

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>>26462500
Confirmed not breeder.

>>26462533
read this >>26460619
Only low ladders have max IV in every stat.

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Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:37:11 No.26462867 Report

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>>26462609

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Anonymous Tue 24 May 2016 23:38:37 No.26462887 Report

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>>26462728
It's not broken. Because we have fairies.

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