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Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 12:58:19 No.26468590 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>26468724 >>26468729 >>26468761 >>26468781 >>26468813 >>26468828 >>26468838 >>26468879 >>26469288

>18 types
>2 of them are absolute irredeemable dogshit, and only matter when used offensively by pokemon that aren't that type
When are they going to stop making every ice type and electric type bad on purpose?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:00:15 No.26468601 Report

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When Gamefreak waves their hand and suddenly Pikachu is Uber with new signature items, moves, and abilities. And possibly a mega evo. None of this will work for Raichu though,

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:20:41 No.26468724 Report

Quoted By: >>26468870 >>26469044

>>26468590
>electric
>bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:21:17 No.26468729 Report

Quoted By: >>26469044

>>26468590
>Electric Types are bad

Wat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:25:49 No.26468761 Report

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>>26468590
elctric is fine but poison and steel , there are very few strong hitters that are either

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:29:17 No.26468781 Report

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>>26468590
>grass and ice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:33:00 No.26468813 Report

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>>26468590
>a type with 1 weakness somewhat negated by a held item
>bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:35:20 No.26468828 Report

Quoted By: >>26469044

>>26468590
>Electric
>bad

WEW lad das a gud 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:36:59 No.26468838 Report

Quoted By: >>26468880 >>26468900 >>26468911 >>26471216 >>26471805

>>26468590
Reminder the worst types are Bug, Grass, Fighting, Ice and Rock in that order.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jaypJ08Os0Ix40DbcaefS42M7HFgCgQ0JMqb6YXOYko/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:40:55 No.26468870 Report

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>>26468724
Electric Pokémon, not the Electric type as a whole.

They still have it better than Rock though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:41:57 No.26468879 Report

Quoted By: >>26468976 >>26469600 >>26470932

>>26468590
Ice is a great offensive type. The Ice Pokemon could see more representation in competitive if GameFreak actually played to the type strenghtes instead of insisting that every Ice type must be some slow defensive dex filller shitmon. See Weavile, Mamoswine and Cloyster for Ice types done right.

Grass type has great support options and extremely valuable resistances. It's also one of the two types to hit Water super effectively.

Poison is bad offensively but it's decent as a defensive type (key Fighting resistance) and just like Grass has a wide selection of support moves.

Bug has took a hit with the introduction of Fairy type and Aegislash, but it's also one of the few remaining types with no type or ability immunities, which makes U-turn deadly and opens up posibilities of monoattacking sets.

The only really bad type is Psychic. Like, there isn't a single Psychic Pokemon in existance who wouldn't rather be Fairy instead. Next time GameFreak decides to tamper with the type chart Psychic type should be the first in line for some long deserved buff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:42:08 No.26468880 Report

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>>26468838
What if Bug resist fairy, how much would that change?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:42:36 No.26468885 Report

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>>26468880
Not a lot desu, bug and grass swap places.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:45:02 No.26468900 Report

Quoted By: >>26468910 >>26468970

>>26468838
>Fighting
See kids, this is exactly why not every problem can be solved with simple math

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:46:34 No.26468910 Report

Quoted By: >>26468923

>>26468900
Fighting is shit though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:46:42 No.26468911 Report

Quoted By: >>26468925

>>26468838
>fighting third worst
>when it's good against FIVE types, including the only one good against normal, and notably steel and dark

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:48:33 No.26468923 Report

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>>26468910
Nice rebuttal

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:48:45 No.26468925 Report

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>>26468911
>five things resist it and one thing is immune to it.
>fairy and flying are actually good types and resist it.
>ghost is a good type and is immune to it.
>weak to flying and fairy, very good types.
This is why it's shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:52:57 No.26468970 Report

Quoted By: >>26469115 >>26469629

>>26468900
There are currently 0 pure fighting types in OU, and 4 fighting types total. Two are megas, one of those has pure power, the other has scrappy. One has spore as its niche. The other is keldeo.

>Fighting is good I swear!
Like ice it's a type better used as coverage for other mons.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:53:10 No.26468976 Report

Quoted By: >>26469125

>>26468879
>Bug has took a hit with the introduction of Fairy type and Aegislash, but it's also one of the few remaining types with no type or ability immunities, which makes U-turn deadly and opens up posibilities of monoattacking sets.
>When bug is resisted by everything and its mother, notably steel, fairy, and flying, the three best types in the meta right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:53:35 No.26468981 Report

Quoted By: >>26469464

Ice, Bug and Grass are the worst types.

Ice is useless since it is shit defensively and every water type learns Ice Beam. The few Ice types that are actually good are physical ones (Mamoswine and Weavile), but all the physical ice moves have really shit distribution even among Ice types. Also GF keep making defensive and slow Ice types instead of fast sweepers.

Bug has a few standout Pokemon, but that's only because they have a really good secondary typing and/or good stats or abilities (Scizor, Volcarona, Forretress). The majority of Bug Pokemon also end up being early game trash, which doesn't help its case.

Grass has a lot of status moves but that's becoming less important as the metagame becomes more offensive. The only really good Grass Pokemon I can think of is Breloom (who is only good because it is the fastest Spore user).

Electric isn't too bad as a type, it's not seen as a curse if a Pokemon has it as a secondary type (unlike the other three I've mentioned).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 13:57:17 No.26469011 Report

Quoted By: >>26469048 >>26469100

>>26468925
>flying
>pretty much every fighting type gets rock coverage and Ice/Thunder Punch
>fairy
>most fighting types have Poison Jab
>psychic and ghost
>Knock Off

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:00:13 No.26469034 Report

Quoted By: >>26469222

>tfw gen VII will fuse ground and rock into mineral type
>tfw gen VII will fuse poison and grass into nature type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:00:57 No.26469044 Report

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>>26468724
>>26468729
>>26468828
How many electric types exist that
>Have a real movepool
>Have real abilities
>Have a real base stat total
Hell even grass types have it better than electric types. Grass as a type may be shit, but electric types as a group are shittier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:01:05 No.26469048 Report

Quoted By: >>26469174

>>26469011
>fighting
>speed
Conkeldurr is UU now buddy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:07:51 No.26469100 Report

Quoted By: >>26469174

>>26469011
Tell me again about how good meinshao is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:09:18 No.26469115 Report

Quoted By: >>26469321

>>26468925
Yeah, there is no way you actually ever played competitively in your life.

The only ones that can switch relatively safely in theory are Ghost types. But even then Knock Off is rather commonly found on many Fighting types and is a bane of Ghost types existence.

Fairy types have subpar defense and the ones that don't tend to be combined with types that also make them neutral to Fighting (Steel, Rock, aka the stereotypical "high defense" types).

Majority of Flying and Bug types cannot switch safely without eating a Stone Edge to the face, and even then majority of them takes like 50% from Close Combat/HJK and Stealth Rock damage alone.

Psychic type is a joke, also suffers from the same issues Ghost does.

>>26468970
Guess Fairy is a shit type now too since there are also "only" 5 of them in OU, 2 of which are Megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:10:21 No.26469125 Report

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>>26468976
Learn to read next time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:16:29 No.26469174 Report

Quoted By: >>26469181

>>26469100
>implying High Jump Kick off 125 attack doesn't hurt like a bitch
>>26469048
>monstrous 140 attack
>great physical bulk
>sub-par special bulk remedied with Assault Vest
>choice of Guts, Sheer Force, and Iron Fist
>Mach Punch, Drain Punch, Knock Off, Stone Edge, elemental punches, Bulk Up
Just because it dropped a tier doesn't make it bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:17:18 No.26469181 Report

Quoted By: >>26469193 >>26469207

>>26469174
Gee conkeldurr has all that shit yet it isn't the top of OU.

Wonder why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:18:26 No.26469193 Report

Quoted By: >>26469231

>>26469181
Because people are too afraid to run trick room teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:20:24 No.26469207 Report

Quoted By: >>26469228

>>26469181
>muh tiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:22:07 No.26469222 Report

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>>26469034
But Grimer and Trubbish aren't natural.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:22:40 No.26469228 Report

Quoted By: >>26469262 >>26469669

>>26469207
Great indicator as to weather or not something is worth considering when building a team, to prepare for or to use. Sorry you're a hipster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:23:00 No.26469231 Report

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>>26469193
>implying trick room would do shit in a world where priority scumbag brave bird exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:27:39 No.26469262 Report

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>>26469228
Tiers or no tiers, Conkeldurr can still easily compete with mons in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:29:09 No.26469280 Report

Quoted By: >>26469321

>tfw Psychic will never be great again

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:30:18 No.26469288 Report

Quoted By: >>26469321

>>26468590
>Forgot Psychic

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:30:36 No.26469291 Report

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Special Electric pokémon are fine, physicals are laughing stocks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:34:26 No.26469321 Report

Quoted By: >>26469374 >>26471849

>>26469115
>the 3 non-mega fairies in OU have literal garbage for stats save for azumarill that nigger nuts. And one of the single most used because of it.
>the 4 fighting types in OU have absurd stats or spore
>there are a niggerton of UU/BL fighting types with great stats like meinshao, conkeldurr, heracross, machamp*, terrakion, hawlucha, cobalion, chesnaught, infernape. The list goes on.
>All this despite having excellent coverage and strong STAB.
>Florges is a shitmon statwise in UU* literally just because fairy.
>Almost no coverage.
>Still there.
*Not for long

>>26469280
>>26469288
Good, strong spammable move never.
>Best is psychic at 90 BP
Kill me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:41:27 No.26469374 Report

Quoted By: >>26469394

>>26469321
Only Arcanine beats Florges in BST of regular pokémon.
All other above it are either legendaries, pseudolegendaries, megas or have hindering abilities.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:43:08 No.26469387 Report

Quoted By: >>26469393

>no Straya region to be like Unova was for the bug type for poison

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:44:27 No.26469393 Report

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>>26469387
That's Kanto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:44:28 No.26469394 Report

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>>26469374
It's not about the amount it's about where they are. Consider Shuckle, or even Arcanine.

Florges is:
>slow
>Not slow enough for TR
>Low HP
>Low defence
>Not enough special attack to be good not with it's lack of coverage anyway.

It's the difference between kyu-b and kyu-w

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:45:21 No.26469399 Report

Quoted By: >>26469424 >>26469439 >>26469469

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:48:54 No.26469424 Report

Quoted By: >>26469432

>>26469399
What's the reasoning behind Ghost and Fairy resisting Bug?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:49:44 No.26469432 Report

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>>26469424
Fuck bugs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:50:31 No.26469439 Report

Quoted By: >>26469457 >>26469470

>>26469399
Why dragon resist grass?
Why steel resist grass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:52:19 No.26469457 Report

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>>26469439
Fuck grass

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:53:35 No.26469464 Report

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>>26468981
>The only really good Grass Pokemon I can think of is Breloom
Ferrothorn?
Serperior?
Amoonguss?
Mega Venusaur?
Meanwhile Rock is down to Tyranitar (600 BST + Sand boost) and Mega Diancie (700 BST + Fairy typing) in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:54:42 No.26469469 Report

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>>26469399
Grass is supposed to be a support type, not all out attacker.
Many Grass types do this very well and are prevalent in competitive play. The meme that Grass is bad needs to die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 14:54:44 No.26469470 Report

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>>26469439

Because Dragon was more special back then and they wanted it to resist the types of all the starters for RBY.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 15:13:44 No.26469600 Report

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>>26468879
I agree with all of this, but Bug still definitely deserves a buff, right along Psychic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 15:16:44 No.26469629 Report

Quoted By: >>26469770

>>26468970
In Gen 6, you have to start including BL and UU in these since most of that tier is also viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 15:20:56 No.26469669 Report

Quoted By: >>26469746

>>26469228
Not really, Gen 6 tiers are all about a good pokemon being taken out of a tier because of a slightly better mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 15:32:18 No.26469746 Report

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>>26469669
It's better at indicating how easy it is to use a pokémon well rather than how good it actually is.
It's still a great indicator for what pokémon you are going to face off against and need to prepare for, since that' literally what tiers are based on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 15:34:44 No.26469770 Report

Quoted By: >>26469794

>>26469629
Powercreep definitely caused that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 15:38:39 No.26469794 Report

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>>26469770
Powercreep is a thing in gen VI obviously, but it has little to do with the fact that more low tier pokémon are viable. The explanation for that is as simple as there being more pokémon now while the tiers system has stayed relatively the same since the start.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 17:45:02 No.26470932 Report

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>>26468879
That's the thing though even though weavile isn't amazing it's still a pretty good mon, if they did make a good ice type it's going to be really good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 18:11:30 No.26471216 Report

Quoted By: >>26471960

>>26468838
Fighting was the best type in the game in gen 4 and 5 and easily top three in gen 6 (water and fairy)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 19:02:48 No.26471805 Report

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>>26468838
Fighting gets Fighting STAB which is useful against Steel, Dark, Normal and Rock types

Rock gets the Special Defense boost and no damage from Sandstorm

Grass is immune to Spore, Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Rage Powder and other stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 19:07:15 No.26471849 Report

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>>26469321
Lol, Florges will be UU until the day we die anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 19:09:28 No.26471870 Report

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Electric is great when it actually has good Pokemon. Half of electric types are gimmicks and pikaclones though, which aren't allowed to be good.

But that won't stop Zapdos, Rotom, or Thundurus from fucking things up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 19:18:32 No.26471960 Report

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>>26471216
Water and Steel were better than Fighting in gen IV, but I will give you gen V.
Fighting being the 3rd best type in gen VI is a joke though.Water, Fairy, Dragon, Steel, Dark and Ground are at least better, probably some more too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 May 2016 19:20:35 No.26471980 Report

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All electric needs is a Sheer Force user that can actually boost its stats and speed OR a Reckless user.

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