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Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 16:43:57 No.26492319 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>26493756 >>26493963 >>26493996 >>26495364 >>26496129 >>26499093

>Gale wings now works only on moves with 60 bp or less

>Stealth rock only takes the one type with the highest damage potential into calculation, capping at 25%
or
>The damage from rocks is halved along with the galewings fix

Fixed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 16:50:28 No.26492384 Report

Quoted By: >>26493954 >>26495469 >>26496129

>stealth rocks does 12.5% damage to grounded enemies and 25% damage to floating enemies regardless of typing
>stealth rocks still does 25% damage to enemies that would otherwise be floating if gravity is in effect

Literally fixed.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 19:33:29 No.26493756 Report

Quoted By: >>26493942

>>26492319
>I can't into spinners, defoggers or teams that don't get murdered by sneaky pebbles/bravest birb: the post: the revenge: the reckoning: the revelation: electric boogaloo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 19:57:30 No.26493942 Report

Quoted By: >>26494059 >>26496129

>>26493756
>Nothing ever should be considered for revision, and everyone that brings it up has no skill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 19:58:41 No.26493954 Report

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>>26492384
That's not bad anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 19:59:42 No.26493963 Report

Quoted By: >>26494149

>>26492319
What about acrobatics OP? 55 BP (*2)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:03:08 No.26493996 Report

Quoted By: >>26501662

>>26492319
none of that is true

op is trolling

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:08:25 No.26494059 Report

Quoted By: >>26494256 >>26501672

>>26493942
There is sufficient counterplay, you're just being a whiny shitter (much like every "B-BUT TALONFLAME" and "B-BUT SNEAKY STONES" crybaby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:15:19 No.26494149 Report

Quoted By: >>26494228

>>26493963
The check occurrs after the final bp total is decided, like technician

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:22:55 No.26494228 Report

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>>26494149
Huh I didn't know that's how it worked

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:26:27 No.26494256 Report

Quoted By: >>26496050 >>26496129

>>26494059
Here we go again :^)
Suggesting any possible changes immediately leads to these types of arguments.

Stealth rock requires only one turn of setup compared to spikes, does more damage than spikes, is only negated by one ability and no type matchups, hits already underwhelming type combos with maximum power, and has a bigger learnpool than defog and rapid spin combined, but nah. Ignore all of that and accuse everyone that says something about it of running only butterfree and mothim at a sub 1200 elo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 22:25:27 No.26495364 Report

Quoted By: >>26495718

>>26492319
Just change Talonflame's HA to Reckless or Rock Head

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 22:37:15 No.26495469 Report

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First SR change is fine, second I don't like. It would likely see barely any use if it only did leftovers damage when neutral and doesn't do a whole lot to deter switching. >>26492384's idea is better than both, though, I wouldn't mind that at all. Also don't really care if SR doesn't get changed at all, it's not broken or anything but I do feel the distribution is too high.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 23:02:40 No.26495718 Report

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>>26495364
I'd go with Unburden, for maximum Acrobatics potential. Just make like Hawlucha and give it a Sitrus Berry. If the Rocks don't activate it for you, just use Substitute a couple times and try to get a swords Dance in if you can. Acrobatics sets are way more fun than Brave Bird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 23:23:36 No.26495947 Report

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Adding to this I thought it would be nice if Hailstorm worked a little differently than other passive weather damage.

>Ice still immune
>Resists (either 2x or 4x resisted) take 3% damage
>Neutrals take 6% damage
>2x or 4x weak to Ice take 12% passive damage per turn

Then add some kind of Ability that would make "Hail sweepers" viable. Hail Rush or whatever. Hail Force.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 23:33:28 No.26496050 Report

Quoted By: >>26496102 >>26496251

>>26494256
Other fun things that stop Stealth Rock:
Taunt
Magic Coat
Magic Bounce

You can also minimize the amount of damage it does by not being a dumbass and building a team that isn't completely weak to it.

But no, you're right. Just bitch and moan and maybe John Gamefreak (who browses the boards btw) will hear your crying and nerf the big bad mean rocks for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 23:40:08 No.26496102 Report

Quoted By: >>26496126 >>26496251

>>26496050
All three of those require a predict.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 23:43:08 No.26496126 Report

Quoted By: >>26496251 >>26501671

>>26496102
A huge part of the game is making predictions. What's your point?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 23:43:18 No.26496129 Report

Quoted By: >>26501738

>>26492319
>>26492384
>>26493942
>>26494256
>Cry babby can't handle pesky stones. Babby demand rocks go

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 23:51:10 No.26496200 Report

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Rocks aren't going, Charizardfags, stop posting

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 23:54:57 No.26496251 Report

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>>26496050
>>26496126

This, >>26496102 , which you full and well know is near impossible to predict or inconsistent with even the best bouncers and taunters.
Things like garchomp and Lando can run fully offensive sets that threaten all of the known bouncers and most taunters on the switch all while carrying stealth rock to use on your switch into a more powerful wall, which is why they're so highly used.

Swords Dance Chomp can destroy anything unresisted mon under its speed tier, even M-Sableye, the best Bouncer, after a single boost and SR as it switches.

Landorus can do that as well or even run scarf or band to wear your team down with U-turn until it has an opportunity to SR.

Also everything you listed applies to spikes and any non damaging move ever.

Come on, man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 01:47:49 No.26497250 Report

Quoted By: >>26501677

I feel like sneaky pebbles would be balanced if rock types were immune and cleared them on switch in like Toxic Spikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 05:06:36 No.26499093 Report

Quoted By: >>26501396

>>26492319
We get stealth rocks/Spikes in every element in Gen 7. Rule change you can only have 1 elemental layer up at a time. Game fixed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 11:05:09 No.26501396 Report

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>>26499093
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:00:09 No.26501662 Report

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>>26493996

It's hypothetical, you moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:01:48 No.26501671 Report

Quoted By: >>26501687 >>26501692

>>26496126

Well perhaps the game would be more fucking good if it was about strategy rather than just wild "predictions" all the damn time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:02:57 No.26501672 Report

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>>26494059

Gale Wings is broken shit and you know it. Same with Mega Kangaskhan. But you faggots will defend it anyway because "muh Smogon".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:03:31 No.26501677 Report

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>>26497250
Make that Rock and Steel types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:04:39 No.26501684 Report

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IMO the best balance would be a drop in base damage to 10% to bring it in line with spikes and avoid 2hkoing double weak mons, and introducing alterate typing versions that are mutualy exclusive with the original and each other, making having a rock weakness less of a major issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:05:17 No.26501687 Report

Quoted By: >>26501703

>>26501671
I dont think that will happen anytime soon. In fact, I dont think that will happen at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:06:29 No.26501692 Report

Quoted By: >>26501703

>>26501671
Thats why you assemble your team to complement with each other. Isnt that a strategy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:08:26 No.26501703 Report

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>>26501687

Whilst I agree, I still don't like it.

>>26501692

To a point, but there are so many damn variables that it just gets a bit ridiculous, and the more Pokemon and moves they create, the more variables are added. It's already a mess, but eventually, it'll be impractical. They need to redesign the system even if just a little.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:16:23 No.26501738 Report

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>>26496129
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