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Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 19:58:33 No.26493952 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>26493998 >>26494168 >>26494196 >>26494200 >>26496687 >>26496805 >>26497212 >>26499218 >>26499504 >>26499636 >>26499965 >>26501228

Why did many of the stronger trainer classes in Gen 1 have whips? What did they use them for?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:00:43 No.26493970 Report

Quoted By: >>26493983 >>26494064 >>26497001

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:01:47 No.26493982 Report

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Keeping Pokémon in check

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:02:12 No.26493983 Report

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>>26493970
Underrated post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:02:20 No.26493986 Report

Quoted By: >>26494182 >>26496712 >>26496932

Pokemon were less intelligent and more animalistic in gen 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:02:50 No.26493991 Report

Quoted By: >>26501860

It was back before Masuda, when Pokemon could be cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:03:16 No.26493998 Report

Quoted By: >>26494028 >>26494289 >>26500143 >>26500295 >>26501868

>>26493952
I always wondered what that thing is the trainer in the top middle is holding. Is it a mirror, a lolipop?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:03:22 No.26493999 Report

Quoted By: >>26494116

This was before Pokemon cemented itself as being popular in the West and they had to worry about offending delicate Western sensibilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:05:40 No.26494028 Report

Quoted By: >>26494116 >>26495334 >>26500738

apparently in their original plans trainers were meant to fight alongside the pokemon

i like the idea that they are harsh trainers whiping their own mons better though

>>26493998
lolipop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot_and_stick

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:07:30 No.26494045 Report

Quoted By: >>26495334 >>26500738

1. fighters were going to originally fight alongside Pokemon (but they quickly got rid of this idea - if you can fight Pokemon yourself, why have Pokemon at all?)
2. pokemon weren't sentient animals who wanted to be captured by trainers back in generation 1. they were animals. just like lions, tigers, and horses. they needed to be trained just like any other animal. this is why they have whips. to train their animals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:08:38 No.26494064 Report

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>>26493970
Sun and Moon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:10:48 No.26494084 Report

Quoted By: >>26496526

Best Ace Trainer girl right there. Why doesn't she have any art?

Any pokegirls with whips?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:12:56 No.26494116 Report

Quoted By: >>26494147 >>26494151

>>26493999
>hurr durr muh sjw boogeyman
>>26494028

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:12:59 No.26494118 Report

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sabrina's sprite is clearly a cooltrainer/ace trainer

more venonat/butterfree weirdness

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:15:14 No.26494147 Report

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>>26494116
I don't think you know what sjw means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:15:22 No.26494151 Report

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>>26494116
No one even brought up SJWs though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:16:39 No.26494168 Report

Quoted By: >>26494297

>>26493952
1. Sabrina was originally a bad character

2. There was a stronger emphasis on the "monster" aspect of some Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:17:52 No.26494182 Report

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>>26493986
That's because after gen 1 the games became more based on the anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:19:41 No.26494196 Report

Quoted By: >>26501838

>>26493952
To show that Sabrina is obviously evil

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:20:10 No.26494200 Report

Quoted By: >>26494234

>>26493952

I don't know?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:24:07 No.26494234 Report

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>>26494200
Then why did you post? And why do you have a question mark when you're not asking a question?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:29:59 No.26494289 Report

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>>26493998
I always saw it as a wooden mallet/gavel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 20:30:21 No.26494297 Report

Quoted By: >>26496542

>>26494168
Sabrina wasn't "bad" in RBY, she was just normal. I don't even think she was even really that sinister ingame. That was just interpretation by the anime and manga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2016 22:22:17 No.26495334 Report

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>>26494028
>>26494045
That is very interesting. I'm guessing Gary's sprite changing and the Safari Zone also came from this. I remember thinking you could make your trainer evolve in the Safari Zone when I was little because of Gary changing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:22:43 No.26496526 Report

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>>26494084
Here you go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:24:20 No.26496542 Report

Quoted By: >>26496559

>>26494297
Sabrina was originally a member of Team Rocket.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:26:07 No.26496559 Report

Quoted By: >>26496720

>>26496542
Only in the manga, and she was always a team rocket member there

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:26:17 No.26496560 Report

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>>26496526
Thanks for this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:26:33 No.26496563 Report

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>>26496526
Hot

We need more

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:27:41 No.26496572 Report

Quoted By: >>26496635

>>26496526
Yaoi hands

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:28:28 No.26496578 Report

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>>26496526
I like you
Art reminds me of that one guy that draws Pokemon females with absurdly long legs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:35:18 No.26496635 Report

Quoted By: >>26496638

>>26496572
You know what they say about a girl with big hands

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:35:48 No.26496638 Report

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>>26496635
That she he has big fingers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:43:23 No.26496687 Report

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>>26493952
Pokemon were monsters that needed taming.

Masuda churched things up too much, so it's almost unnecessary now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:46:43 No.26496712 Report

Quoted By: >>26496738 >>26496746 >>26496827

>>26493986
>Jigglypuff
>Chansey
>Mr. Mime
>Tangela
>Gloom
>Clefable
>Exeggcute
>Porygon
>Grimer
>Graveler
>Machop
>Diglett
>Bellsprout
>Gastly
>Electrode

Look at all these animals I have to whip!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:47:53 No.26496720 Report

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>>26496559
A manga.

1. That being Special is like one out of a thousand RBG manga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:49:33 No.26496738 Report

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>>26496712
PETA please

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:49:57 No.26496746 Report

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>>26496712
He didn't mean that they were animals, but that they were portrayed more feral, dumbo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 00:57:52 No.26496805 Report

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>>26493952

Game freak haven't explain it yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 01:01:34 No.26496827 Report

Quoted By: >>26501460

>>26496712
Just now realizing that whipping the living shit out of Jynx was probably ok too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 01:10:49 No.26496888 Report

Quoted By: >>26496918

I remember when Ash bitched at that one trainer for using a whip to train his Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 01:13:54 No.26496918 Report

Quoted By: >>26497029

>>26496888
Yeah and look how well Ash is doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 01:15:22 No.26496932 Report

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>>26493986
and without a wicked sense of humor

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 01:23:37 No.26497001 Report

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>>26493970
*SuMo

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 01:25:38 No.26497029 Report

Quoted By: >>26497292 >>26500035 >>26500119 >>26504127

>>26496918
well enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 01:43:59 No.26497212 Report

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>>26493952
To whip your ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 01:52:26 No.26497292 Report

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>>26497029
What's with the edgy cutaways?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 05:20:55 No.26499218 Report

Quoted By: >>26499390 >>26500595

>>26493952
It's pretty simple. You're a child who loves Pokémon. You want to raise them with love and care and make best friends.

Other trainers don't give a shit about that. They raise them the way you tame a wild animal. Plus those other trainers raise Pokémon for different motives as a kid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 05:37:30 No.26499365 Report

Quoted By: >>26500694

Is he wearing a weepinbell cup?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 05:41:07 No.26499390 Report

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>>26499218
Yeah this was the sense I always got. There's a lot of that in Gen2 too.

I feel like abusive trainers have basically been written out of the series at this point. Even the villains care about their Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 05:54:39 No.26499504 Report

Quoted By: >>26499511

>>26493952
Sticks and stones may break my bones. But whips and balls excite me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 05:55:06 No.26499511 Report

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>>26499504
beta faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 06:01:26 No.26499588 Report

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>>26496526
Is this you Souji?
I remember reading he was from europe despite drawing just like a jap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 06:06:11 No.26499636 Report

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>>26493952
They took the term "Pokemon Trainer" much more seriously in Gen 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 06:29:37 No.26499872 Report

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Sabrina-sama, please...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 06:41:11 No.26499965 Report

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>>26493952

To make Pokémon obey them.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 06:47:01 No.26500035 Report

Quoted By: >>26502466

>>26497029
>this is what pokemon anime is now
Holy shit.
I mean the anime was never good, but still. What the fuck even is this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 06:52:25 No.26500090 Report

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I hate Special
Sabrina is obviously good girl

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 06:56:44 No.26500119 Report

Quoted By: >>26500264

>>26497029
Did he cum?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 06:59:58 No.26500143 Report

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>>26493998
>mfw i always thought it was mr.potato's ear
childhood was grande lads

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 07:20:00 No.26500264 Report

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>>26500119
Yeah, that's what all that's happening at 0:07
I mean why else would they zoom in on his face while white 'paint' splatters all over the background?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 07:24:15 No.26500295 Report

Quoted By: >>26501285

>>26493998
What the fuck, I thought he was holding a backpack.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 08:05:03 No.26500595 Report

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>>26499218
Yeah, that was how I always understood it. You basically train your pet, where as others treat them like old school circus animals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 08:17:17 No.26500694 Report

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>>26499365
It's a Tauros belt buckle but I did have to do a double take to make sure of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 08:25:47 No.26500738 Report

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>>26494045
>>26494028
>apparently in their original plans trainers were meant to fight alongside the pokemon

literally my mom's SMT

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 10:25:57 No.26501228 Report

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>>26493952
http://www.ign.com/blogs/cartoonami/2016/02/29/an-oral-history-of-pokemon
>Sugimori: “At one time, the protagonist would fight as well. But then we asked ourselves “If you can fight on your own, what’s the point of having Pokémon?”

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 10:39:06 No.26501285 Report

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>>26500295
there is Japanese proverb "lolipop and whip"

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 11:20:11 No.26501460 Report

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>>26496827
>Sabrina had Jynx in Pokemon Stadium

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:37:36 No.26501838 Report

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>>26494196
Evil confirmed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:40:48 No.26501860 Report

Quoted By: >>26502413

>>26493991
and before idiots like you could voice shit opinions on the internet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:42:07 No.26501868 Report

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>>26493998
ok so i always thought it was his rucksack with a sleeping bag/mat rolled up, and is simply clenching his fist — but now it looks like he may have a big zoroark pony tale, and yes indeed be holding mr potato heads ear

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 12:54:59 No.26501954 Report

Quoted By: >>26502307 >>26502418

it's a lollipop, not some hypno tool to brainwash the pokemon contrary to popular belief

there's even a japanese proverb about whips and lollipops, similar to how we talk about carrots and sticks in the west

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 13:52:48 No.26502307 Report

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>>26501954
Cool. I don't think I ever had any idea what it was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 14:07:49 No.26502413 Report

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>>26501860
Sorry Masuda

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 14:09:35 No.26502418 Report

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>>26501954

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 14:18:00 No.26502466 Report

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>>26500035
Ash can fuse with Greninja now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 15:14:07 No.26502877 Report

Quoted By: >>26502897

Why are people saying the whips were a result of some old concept of trainers fighting too? It seems unrelated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 15:17:43 No.26502897 Report

Quoted By: >>26502908

>>26502877
I guess because the idea is they'd fight with the whips. I'm pretty sure the idea that trainers would fight was dropped well before art assets like trainer sprites were designed though. It sounds like something they were spiralling during conceptual stages and dropped in the conceptual stages because it undermined the whole point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 15:19:46 No.26502908 Report

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>>26502897
But it just makes more sense they had whips because they're Pokemon trainers, and trainers use whips.

It seems the more simple and understandable reason then "they were gonna fight".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 15:24:42 No.26502946 Report

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Strong trainers had to deal with strong Pokemon that were much more violent in Gen I, which had a lot of real world parallels.

Strong trainers used whips for the same reason that a lion tamer uses a whip.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 17:36:12 No.26504127 Report

Quoted By: >>26504141

>>26497029
Why did she keep going for shadow ball against a dark type?

Why no Fairy move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 17:37:21 No.26504141 Report

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>>26504127
Because types don't really matter like that in the anime, especially the more abstract ones like Dark and Fairy

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