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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:29:36 No.26555555 View View Reply Original Report

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>the Anime would be better if they retired Ash
>They think they just wouldn't do the same shit again with a different character

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:30:27 No.26555576 Report

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Wasted get

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Duck_roll !!Uw6GoDalxXY Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:30:29 No.26555577 Report

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Sexts of Smarts

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:30:33 No.26555579 Report

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>>26555555
BTFO

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:30:49 No.26555583 Report

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>>26555555

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:30:55 No.26555585 Report

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>>26555555
Fucking terrible get.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:31:38 No.26555594 Report

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You got em, champ

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:31:40 No.26555595 Report

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>implying they wouldn't keep changing MCs region after region

Checked

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:31:52 No.26555597 Report

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>>26555555
Wasted

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:31:54 No.26555599 Report

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Wasted

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:32:26 No.26555601 Report

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>>26555577
>>26555599

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:32:34 No.26555604 Report

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>>26555555
Naisu getto

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:32:38 No.26555607 Report

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>>26555555
Hexes of truth

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:32:59 No.26555610 Report

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>>26555555
chekt

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:34:01 No.26555625 Report

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Dumb script kiddie.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:34:03 No.26555626 Report

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>>26555595
...and they're all still the same incompetent bastards as Ash.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:34:56 No.26555639 Report

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:36:12 No.26555653 Report

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>>26555555
>it's a /padt/ wastes another get episode

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:36:20 No.26555657 Report

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>>26555555
Tbqh with you fám.

I'd rather they do it with a different character by now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:36:39 No.26555664 Report

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>>26555626
Aside from them not being reset at the end when they'er actually somewhat competent, instead handing over the baton.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:37:03 No.26555674 Report

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off by 120

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Duck_roll !!Uw6GoDalxXY Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:38:03 No.26555693 Report

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>>26555674
So close
Yet so far

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:38:04 No.26555694 Report

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>>26555555
Maybe next time.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:41:36 No.26555728 Report

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>>26555555
Nice get, OP.

Anyways, yes, anime would still be formulaic and repetitive as hell.

But you know what? At least we'd get to see champions. We'd get to see amazing climactic battles were our hero emerges victorious. We may even see him shack up with a girl once or twice.

We'd see largely the same formula while occasionally swapping out characters, setting, personalities, etc. That's what keeps a formula fresh. It works so well for Toei they've had at least three fucking franchises based on this practice.

Beats seeing Ash reset into a retard every gen and fucking lose in the end. Literally no tension in the series when you realize it'll be that way every single time.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:43:14 No.26555752 Report

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>>26555555
Such a nice GET and it's anime bullshit. Kill yourself.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:47:32 No.26555816 Report

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>>26555728
why are sure its going to be a boy? why are sure he is going to score more victories than Ash? maybe he will be even more patheric and stupid learning types of pokemons first 400 episodes...

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jun 2016 23:57:40 No.26555919 Report

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>>26555816
Because it's a series aimed at young boys.

Yes, many of the main characters would be likely to suffer some terrible failures early on. But they'd all eventually grow into champions.

Ash is a perpetual loser simply for the purpose of ensuring his journey never ends. Can't keep the series running if he attains any form of mastery, therefor it must forever be unattainable to him.

You eliminate this problem if you change characters every gen. Your main character is allowed to win, allowed to attain mastery, because while his journey may be over, another will begin anew with fresh blood.

Which, again, would keep the entire formula from going stale.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 00:09:41 No.26556054 Report

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Hear me, digits! I call upon the power of the septuple 6s to be the ultimate avatar of this board's destruction.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 00:21:50 No.26556199 Report

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>>26555555
It just had to be a fucking kopite didnt it?

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 02:08:05 No.26557477 Report

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>>26555555
>Origins used Red instead of Ash
>But Red ended up having the personality of stale white bread and was effectively a vehicle for his Charizard

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 02:35:28 No.26557767 Report

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>>26555728
>I lost the league but more challenges await me Because it's a pokemon world!

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 04:15:28 No.26559045 Report

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>>26555919
I counter by saying having a series where the season protag wins at the end is just as boring as a constant protag that is sabotaged by shit writing, you just went to the other end of the spectrum.

Battle centric fanfics have this problem too, always having a top trainer have 5 OUs and a 'bro'/psuedo. It's fucking boring, along with most battles that are just 'faint the opponent's team'. Pokemon is better as an adventure series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 04:23:01 No.26559120 Report

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>>26555555
This. If they wanted to keep Ash around so badly, they should have let him win the Silver Conference and then made him into a travelling companion. Ash would be all like, "I'm a Champion, but my journey to become a true Pokémon Master has only just begun!”, and then he'd be like a mentor for the new MC every season while training new mons and only using Pikachu as a last resort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 04:29:34 No.26559190 Report

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Post future Pokemon anime ideas

>alternate story line where Mewtwo wasn't stopped

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 06:22:22 No.26560406 Report

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whats with Klopp

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 07:02:39 No.26560781 Report

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>>26555555
Checked

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 07:11:29 No.26560853 Report

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>>26555555
I don't think anyone cares, as long as they get to see a different face.
Also, you make the dumbest threads.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 08:39:26 No.26561495 Report

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>>26559045
On either end of the spectrum, it ends up being all about the "how" since the conclusion is already known. I just happen to believe it's more fun to see a proper end to a character's story, really.

Could also possibly avoid bullshit "plot points" that go literally nowhere, like every time Ash encounters a legendary in the series or the fucking GS ball.

And I don't know what you're on, thinking a winner would have to use OU shit.This is the anime we're talking about. They don't ever have to follow the rules of the fucking game. Could have the protag win the league with a fucking Weedle if they wanted to.

Lastly, I'm sorry anon, but the same characters for damn near two decades doing the exact same shit endlessly gets real fucking old. At least with seasonal protags we get to see entirely new casts interact with each other. It's something more than what we have now.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 09:59:31 No.26562216 Report

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Remember when yugioh got new protagonists
that was great wasn't it.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 10:08:13 No.26562308 Report

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>>26562216
The problem with that comparison, is that nobody was tired of yugi yet, and yugi was a winner, not some 10 year old scrub who keeps loosing.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 11:00:55 No.26563063 Report

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>>26562308
desu i can't think of any anime that changes it protagonist and are one who lose or at least win and lose here and there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 11:32:08 No.26563390 Report

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>>26561495
The GS Ball shit had nothing to do with Ash, it was TPC marketers forbidding the anime from proceeding with their planned Celebi plot it was leading up to because they wanted Celebi to debut in a movie.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 11:43:45 No.26563512 Report

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>>26562308

>loosing

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 11:46:14 No.26563534 Report

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>>26562308
They also never retired Yugi, the Yugioh manga just ended. The later series are unrelated, Konami-created spinoffs to further promote the card game.

Chances are they weren't even allowed to use Yugi and friends.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 11:58:22 No.26563673 Report

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>>26563390
They could have easily pushed back the event for later on, well after the Celebi movie even came out.

Not like the movies and series ever fucking acknowledge each other. Besides the first.

Failing all that, they could have changed the events entirely. Use the GS ball for something else, instead of dropping it and NEVER MENTIONING IT EVER AGAIN. It wouldn't have been the first time the anime veered far off from the games. They made a conscious choice to go nowhere with it instead of actually doing something. Nothing ever happens in the anime.

Also 4ever was a fucking terrible movie.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 12:07:22 No.26563803 Report

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>>26563673
Johto was a colossal fucking mess in the first place. It can probably largely be blamed on it being the writers' first time adapting a gen through its entire 3 year generation, as well as Johto in gen 2 being really small and the Team Rocket plot being unusable for the anime since it plays off the gen 1 Rocket plot they didn't use.

As well as them using a group of already established characters that didn't really have anything new and interesting to do and had grown old long ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 12:09:42 No.26563830 Report

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>>26563673
>They could have easily pushed back the event for later on, well after the Celebi movie even came out.

While they could, the GS Ball plot got dropped before the THIRD movie had premiered. They'd have to push it back an entire year and a half. The Celebi movie hadn't even started being planned yet.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 12:18:48 No.26563951 Report

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>>26563803
This just reinforces my original point. The anime would be so much better off if they changed protags every gen. The Johto series leaves an especially bad taste in my mouth, moreso when I think about how amazing Gold was in Special/Adventures.

>>26563830
>Leave GS ball with Kurt like they already did
>Wait around for the Celebi movie to be made and done with
>Have Kurt call back Ash in the series to tell him he figured out the damn thing
>????
>Profit

Or, you know, just do something else with it. Instead of leaving us high and dry after dangling it in our fucking faces since the Orange Islands.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 12:20:07 No.26563965 Report

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WITNESSED

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 12:31:53 No.26564175 Report

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>>26563951
Johto would've been just as shit had it been "Ash expy that looks like Gold, some token girl and some boring guy that explains move effects during battles spend 3 years collecting Johto badges with 20 fillers between each gym city and not much else".
It was the way they wrote it that was the problem, not who the main character was.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 12:44:26 No.26564400 Report

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>>26564175
Basically this.
With AG they tossed out the old token girl and made a new one they could develop properly and give a separate quest to provide variety.
BW recognized that while Brock was filling an important role in the group as info dump machine, he was also stale as fuck, so they replaced him with someone more interesting that filled the same purpose.
While it didn't do it very well, BW tossed out the evil team plot from the game entirely and did their own unique Team Rocket plot instead.
XY has been focusing a lot of subplots and characters developing throughout the series.

There's a lot of things Johto could've done to be good. The problem was that they just kept the stale Kanto formula going.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jun 2016 12:49:05 No.26564516 Report

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>>26564400
Also, the Orange Islands proved that "just replace a character" doesn't help shit on its own.

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