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Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:23:21 No.26631980 View View Reply Original Report

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Now that the dust has settled, what was the real reason for not making Pokemon Z? Did GameFreak seriously pass up the game just to troll Zygardefags?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:24:24 No.26631990 Report

Quoted By: >>26632008 >>26633109 >>26633961

Completely abandoned. Basically what happened was they made regular Zygarde a disappointing sack of shit, spent some time making alternate forms for it, couldn't think of anything interesting to do with any of them and just announced Gen 7 instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:26:11 No.26632008 Report

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>>26631990
Bullshit. GF never planned Z (Strange fucking souvenir says hi) so they decided to wrap Zygard stuff in Sun and Moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:26:22 No.26632014 Report

Quoted By: >>26633843

Too many mistakes/loose ends that couldn't be fixed with a quick cash grab 3rd game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:27:03 No.26632021 Report

Quoted By: >>26632070 >>26632133 >>26632369

Basically because their regular third version pattern hasn't been working out like usual due to slight decline in third version sales, they're trying to mix up the formula like usual.

You'll notice Gen V didn't have a traditional remake game or third version as well. It's simply more profitable to make generations a year faster, I suppose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:27:39 No.26632033 Report

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>>26631980
Third versions don't sell well. Zygarde was put into the game to trick people, like how everybody thought Kyurem meant Pokemon Grey.

The whole anime thing is a big advertisement for it and Synchro-evo in SM. Making merch and putting it in the anime, then skipping to SM would make more money than making a Z or X2Y2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:28:49 No.26632049 Report

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>>26631980
If you didn't noticed new pokemon games follow certain pattern:
new gen>remake>new gen>remake>(...)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:29:34 No.26632059 Report

Quoted By: >>26632951

>>26631980
XY were so fucking bad that not even a Z could fix them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:29:37 No.26632062 Report

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>>26631980
This is actually coherent with what the King of /vp/ said. Times have changed. F2p online games, smartphone games
Too many valid alternatives and distractions for a kid. Unless you are obsessed and suffer from pokeautism, you dont squueze the game anymore until the last drop. Thats why gen6 seemed soulless for old fans of the franchise. Regardless of new features and gimmicks, a third version is still a game with the same starters and region of 3 years ago. They cant afford milking the cow that much anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:30:17 No.26632070 Report

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>>26632021
XY probably would have gotten a time skip game like BW if things went better. Would have been cool actually to see how things changed and with memory link goodies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:31:12 No.26632082 Report

Quoted By: >>26632113 >>26632146 >>26633109

They realized Kalos was shit and wanted to get a new gen out by the 20th anniversary.

The new formes will be plopped nto SM with no fanfare, pomp, or circumstance. They will just exist and Zycucks will still claim plot relevance despite it doing nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:33:17 No.26632102 Report

Quoted By: >>26632155

Didn't Nintendo tell them to cut the third version crap unless the game was significantly different, like B2W2? Even then, GameFreak wanting to focus on SM for the 20th also makes sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:34:13 No.26632113 Report

Quoted By: >>26632132 >>26632144 >>26632146

>>26632082
>The new formes will be plopped nto SM with no fanfare, pomp, or circumstance. They will just exist and Zycucks will still claim plot relevance despite it doing nothing.

You seriosuly have a problem.

Not to mention that XY received a lot more positivity than gen 3, 4 or 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:35:36 No.26632132 Report

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>>26632113
>I DISAGREE SO I WILL BERATE YOU

Grow up, kid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:35:37 No.26632133 Report

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>>26632021
the most sensible answer I've seen. I didn't want to buy a game that was the Kalos adventure again, oh only this time some power plant doors are open and that lime-green bastard is everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:36:16 No.26632139 Report

Quoted By: >>26632275 >>26633588

It was better off to celebrate 20 years with a new gen than Z

You have understand they plan this shit in advance

They don't have time to make a new Gen unless they took an entire year off, otherwise we probably would've gotten Z in 2015

So they stuck with the idea of a gen 7 for the 20 year special

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:36:25 No.26632144 Report

Quoted By: >>26632166

>>26632113
>Not to mention that XY received a lot more positivity than gen 3, 4 or 5

Sure at first. What are the general opinions of it right now? Reasonably good I imagine but with some complaints here and there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:36:26 No.26632146 Report

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>>26632113
>unpopular opinions: the post
>>26632082
This guy gets it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:37:02 No.26632155 Report

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>>26632102
>Didn't Nintendo tell them to cut the third version crap unless the game was significantly different, like B2W2?

Yep, Masuda even said Z would be too obvious and they want to surprise people. Also the backpacker and teasing Alola in Kalos.

But that also means GF planned things in advance so some throwbacks to Kalos wont be surprising.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:38:14 No.26632166 Report

Quoted By: >>26632171

>>26632144
>Reasonably good I imagine but with some complaints here and there.

Which generation doesnt get complains though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:38:59 No.26632171 Report

Quoted By: >>26632200

>>26632166
II, it's only main universal complaint is its level structuring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:41:24 No.26632200 Report

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>>26632171
Oh come on, it gets lots of complains aswell like empty kanto, horrible pokemon selection, team rocket being a joke etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:46:06 No.26632252 Report

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>>26631980
Complete Zygarde is likely too ambitious for a 6th generation game. Also with pressures to deliver on the series 20th anniversary, it made more sense to move forward and include it on a later installment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:47:37 No.26632267 Report

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They were completely satisfied with XY and Kalos to start with. Probably because it had the longest dev time since RBY.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:48:34 No.26632275 Report

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>>26632139

>You have understand they plan this shit in advance

I think a lot of people forget this fact

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:53:49 No.26632322 Report

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There is literally no indication that GF planned to make a Z game. The Zygarde forms will be in Sun and Moon, likely given to a post game story like the delta episode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 17:59:56 No.26632369 Report

Quoted By: >>26633698

>>26632021
>due to slight decline in third version sales
???
third version have been increasing in sales since Emerald

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 18:54:16 No.26632922 Report

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>>26631980
start thinking with money answering most of our questions.

money is the answer that fits almost every question.

marketing? new console coming? new team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 18:55:56 No.26632937 Report

Quoted By: >>26633075

>ITT: Cucks willing to reply to anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 18:57:26 No.26632951 Report

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>>26632059
Fuck off genweenie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 18:59:55 No.26632973 Report

Quoted By: >>26633090

ORAS put such a bad taste in people's mouth in Japan that they needed to just move on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 19:06:13 No.26633075 Report

Quoted By: >>26633083

>>26632937
>I USED THE BUZZWORD AGAIN MOM! XDDD

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 19:07:06 No.26633083 Report

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>>26633075
Hook, line and sinker

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 19:07:27 No.26633090 Report

Quoted By: >>26633523

>>26632973
Wait japan hated oras? Wonder how they reacted to the lack of the battle frontier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 19:07:51 No.26633094 Report

Quoted By:

>>26631980
They realized they needed the all their resources to finish Sun & Moon by the end of 2016.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 19:08:44 No.26633109 Report

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>>26631990
>>26632082
Did Zygarde rape your mother or something anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 19:47:22 No.26633523 Report

Quoted By: >>26634167 >>26634445 >>26634717

>>26633090

IIRC. Masuda appeared on some NicoNico stream and they all screamed at him about it. They also hate Zinnia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 19:53:22 No.26633588 Report

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>>26632139
Best answer here

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:04:12 No.26633698 Report

Quoted By: >>26633864

>>26632369
Barely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:17:52 No.26633843 Report

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>>26632014
>Too many mistakes/loose ends that couldn't be fixed with a quick cash grab 3rd game.

I highly doubt that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:20:17 No.26633864 Report

Quoted By: >>26633900 >>26634001 >>26634069 >>26634183

>>26633698

OR/AS sold more than B2/W2?

How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:23:04 No.26633900 Report

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>>26633864
B/W2 is a third game, even if it kind of wasn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:24:12 No.26633916 Report

Quoted By:

>>26631980
I would have bought Pokemon Z: One Patch of Grass version and would have loved to be disappointed.

You'd think that with the genwun pandering they'd make another third version.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:25:34 No.26633932 Report

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>>26631980
>Did GameFreak seriously pass up the game just to troll Zygardefags?
Yes, game freak actually cares about non-noatalgiafag adults that belong to a boogeyman group made up on /vp/. Oh, and their business strategy includes trolling people.

There wasnt gonna be a z.

CartoonFan1994

CartoonFan1994 Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:27:11 No.26633957 Report

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Masuda once stated at some point that a new generation game sells more copies than a third version or sequel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:27:15 No.26633961 Report

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>>26631990
>they made regular Zygarde a disappointing sack of shit
Best post gen 3 legendary design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:29:39 No.26634001 Report

Quoted By:

>>26633864
Look on the bright side. The BW sequels is the most sold 3rd version.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:33:22 No.26634069 Report

Quoted By:

>>26633864
Well for starters they have Kyogre and Groudon on the boxart instead of those dragon abominations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:39:54 No.26634167 Report

Quoted By: >>26634194

>>26633523
>They also hate Zinnia

>Some Japanesse fan created a page where he says why he dislikes Zinnia
>"JAPAN HATES ZINNIA"

Sure, anon, sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:40:29 No.26634183 Report

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>>26633864
We've already established that third versions tend to sell poorly (compared to other entries in the series anyway) and BW2 are essentially the third versions of BW in the publics eyes. On the other hand, ORAS are remakes which tend to sell well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 20:41:06 No.26634194 Report

Quoted By:

>>26634167
>Some Japanesse fan

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 21:00:35 No.26634445 Report

Quoted By:

>>26633523
I don't think that means they hated the whole game for sure, and I doubt that could make them cancel Z.

Besides, I'm the anon who told you about the Frontier backlash anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 21:25:25 No.26634717 Report

Quoted By: >>26635103

>>26633523
It's Mega Man Legends 3 all over again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jun 2016 21:54:11 No.26635103 Report

Quoted By: >>26637041

>>26634717
Except Sun and Moon were planned from the start and were never cancelled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jun 2016 00:06:07 No.26637041 Report

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>>26635103
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Here's hoping that the BF actually is in SM after all the trolling in ORAS.

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