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Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 20:12:57 No.26659816 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>26659859 >>26659914 >>26660010 >>26660029 >>26660564 >>26661256 >>26664202 >>26665316

Alright everyone is bitching about two 4X weaknesses and some about the ability, so let's do this.
Assuming it has a 680 BST, what spread would lunala need to be at least viable in ubers?
Hard mode: Try not to min-max too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 20:16:52 No.26659859 Report

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>>26659816

Why bitch about the ability? Multiscale is great. It can survive pretty much any priority that would normally fuck it up, and probably has the ability to set up.

It'll probably just be Lugia with a worse typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 20:19:18 No.26659881 Report

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100/100/100 or higher defenses, stronger and faster than Mega Gengar (taking an item into account). Otherwise it'll have literally no place in Ubers.

That said, it'll be too strong for OU unless steel gets its ghost resist back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 20:22:02 No.26659914 Report

Quoted By: >>26659946 >>26660133 >>26663296

>>26659816
>Ubers
>metagame to be taken seriously

Ubers is really not a place for serious competitively play because its essentially just a banlist from OU. Every tier below it has a place to send Pokemon that are too strong and into a metagame that (should) let it be viable. Ubers doesn't have that. AG doesn't count, because it was solely made so every team didn't have a Mega Fug and five Mega Fug counters.

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 20:25:57 No.26659946 Report

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>>26659914
>not realizing that if anything Ubers is THE MOST competitive tier because it's meta is the most solved and static.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 20:31:25 No.26660010 Report

Quoted By: >>26661334

>>26659816
100/90/90/150/98/152

We know that Solgaleo has 152 in its HP stat and is probably the physical attacker for the two. Also 150 is usually the magic number for box legend attacking stats. Lunala is a bat so it's probably fast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 20:33:34 No.26660029 Report

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>>26659816
Just changing Lugia to Psychic/Ghost

28 Atk Life Orb Dark Aura Yveltal Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 120+ Def Multiscale Lugia: 252-299 (60.5 - 71.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 20:44:16 No.26660133 Report

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>>26659914
You can make the banlist argument for literally every tier not named LC. Ubers has the smallest list of competitive Pokemon, and while Xerneas and P-Don are admittedly OP in it, literally every pokemon forced into Ubers has a place in it. Ubers is every bit as competitive as tiers not named OU, and is by far the most stable meta, and is virtually immune to flavor of the month and a lot of the bullshit that plagues lower tiers. The Stat-Brick that most Ubers have makes the gimmicky mess of lower tiers essentially vanish. It has a Banlist, even if Mega-Fug is the only member.

Ubers is absolutely a proper tier, and is easily the most strategic tier where the fewest number of matches are decided at Team Reveal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 21:18:32 No.26660451 Report

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>>26660133
>implying deoxys-n or arceus-bug has a place in it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 21:20:01 No.26660464 Report

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>>26660451

Deoxys-N is outclassed by its other forms, but it's still far too powerful for OU. Same with Arceus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 21:20:38 No.26660470 Report

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>>26660464
Yes but neither of them "have a place" in ubers. They're BL0, if such a thing were to exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 21:25:51 No.26660527 Report

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>>26660451
Deoxys-N and as several Arceus Plates, are only unused because they are directly outclassed by something else. If Deoxys-A were not around, Deoxys-N would still be a force to be reckoned with. Any Arceus form is capable of sweeping, tanking, or supporting as needed, even if some forms do some jobs better than others. Even the unused Ubers mons can still be used to good effect if desired.

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 21:29:28 No.26660564 Report

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>>26659816
>Implying someone really uses legendary pokémon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 21:30:08 No.26660574 Report

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>>26660564
Keep up with the thread, anon.

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Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 21:46:01 No.26660752 Report

Quoted By: >>26661232

My guesses on both

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 22:28:19 No.26661232 Report

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>>26660752
We know Solgaleo has base 152 HP

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 22:29:53 No.26661256 Report

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>>26659816
90/70/100/170/100/150
Thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 22:31:21 No.26661275 Report

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>>26661232
How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 22:33:35 No.26661309 Report

Quoted By: >>26661368 >>26663375

>>26661232
Sticking to what you say, here is my take on it:

>Solgaleo
>Type: Psychic/Steel
>Ability: Full Metal Body

>HP: 152
>ATK: 124
>DEF: 80
>SPATK: 150
>SPDEF: 80
>SDP: 94

Total: 680

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 22:35:53 No.26661331 Report

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solgaleo is a based on an astronaut suit, it's going to be a physical attacker with huge special defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 22:36:03 No.26661334 Report

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>>26660010
Solgaleo would probably have 152/150/98/90/90/100

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 22:37:19 No.26661349 Report

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1/500/1/1/1/176

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 22:38:42 No.26661366 Report

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>>26661232
Keep in mind that the Gengar and the Salamence in the trailer had 0 HP IV's and Lunala's HP was probably hidden for a reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 22:38:53 No.26661368 Report

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>>26661309
Sunsteel Strike looks like a physical move, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 22:41:14 No.26661393 Report

Quoted By: >>26661434 >>26663375

>>26661368
Does this make you happy?

>Solgaleo
>Type: Psychic/Steel
>Ability: Full Metal Body

>HP: 152
>ATK: 154
>DEF: 80
>SPATK: 120
>SPDEF: 80
>SDP: 94

Total: 680

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2016 22:44:32 No.26661434 Report

Quoted By: >>26663375

>>26661393
and here's my take on Lunala:

>Lunala
>Psychic/Ghost
>Shadow Shield

>HP: 152
>ATK: 94
>DEF: 80
>SPATK: 150
>SPDEF: 80
>SDP: 124

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 01:02:54 No.26662941 Report

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>>26661232
It can be anything between 152 and 105.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 01:38:48 No.26663296 Report

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>>26659914

Ubers is a pretty competitive tier dude, sure the introduction of Primal don has kinda arguably worsened the tier, but it's still very competitive.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 01:41:40 No.26663333 Report

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>>26661275
From the trailer, basic autism solved the HP base stat

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Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 01:43:15 No.26663354 Report

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>>26663333
>tfw wasted quads on this

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Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 01:45:52 No.26663375 Report

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>>26661393
>>26661434
>>26661309
>same def, and spe. def.

Stop pls.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 01:49:08 No.26663413 Report

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>>26663354
Damn, sorry for your loss

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 02:15:00 No.26663675 Report

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>>26661232
Not necessarily.
It could be 105 fully invested. Or anything in-between

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 02:58:09 No.26664121 Report

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>>26663375
why? Xerneas and Yveltal's stats were exactly the same and almost all previous version exclusive Pokémon have stats that are the same but in different categories.
inb4 muh patterns

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 03:05:01 No.26664202 Report

Quoted By: >>26665281

>>26659816
Guys, can anybody calculate what damage Lunala would take assuming it had 100 or 110 in every stat and took a STAB Foul Play? Even if that's not its BST, we might be able to start from there.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 04:51:09 No.26665281 Report

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>>26664202
ded

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Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 04:54:18 No.26665316 Report

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>>26659816
Like all box legends it will have no less than 90 in any stat.

It wants to be fast (relative to ubers) so 110 speed or higher.
It doesn't look like it'll have a HP stat worth a damn so that can be 90.
It seems more specially inclined than physical so higher spa and spd than def and atk.

Thinking somewhere in the ballpark of:
HP: 90
Atk: 110
Def: 100
SpA: 140
SpD: 130
Spe: 110

Which makes it a great ghost spam mon. Especially good if its sig isn't worse than shadow ball.

Assuming it has: Moonlight, Willowisp, U turn, calm mind and Moonblast it has a couple of neat sets.

>CM swep
Life orb/leftovers
HP/Speed investment or Speed/Special attack.
>Moonlight
>Calm mine
>Shadow ball/Moongeist beam
>Moonblast
Literally the only thing that resists this is pyroar.

>Utility cunt
Leftovers
HP/Speed investment
>Willowisp
>Moonlight
>U turn
>Shadow ball/Moongeist beam
Burn spreader that still hits hard. Can come in, burn something with multiscale to bulk the first attack, and recover on it. Or leave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jun 2016 04:58:40 No.26665370 Report

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>>26665316
oh and should note if it has over 120 speed it will have a niche even without anything else good about it: fucking with arceus

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