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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 08:04:27 No.26707478 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>26707538 >>26708155 >>26710437 >>26710546 >>26710598 >>26710884 >>26710954 >>26711094 >>26713364

How do you feel about all the alchemy symbolism in Pokemon Sun/Moon? This official image, and the explanation behind the legendaries and alll. Do you like the designs more now? Are you interested? What other alchemy shit do you think we can expect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 08:06:47 No.26707498 Report

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>How do you feel about it?
Tired of hearing this alchemical stuff literally everywhere I go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 08:12:35 No.26707538 Report

Quoted By: >>26707559 >>26710550 >>26710821

>>26707478

>Hawaii islands
>Alchemy as a theme

I think minus a few Pokemon having literal symbols carved onto their body for WOW THEMES there'll be jackshit other than a reference here or there. Sort of like how XY handled chaos and destruction v eternal life in a pretty shitty way.

However Sun and Moon having alchemical themes is pretty blatant. It won't be well done though. Why did they use the mundane element sign for Sulfur when they could use the actual Hellenic symbols for earth, fire, and water?

Pretty hamfisted to go around saying 'salt = earth = grass.'

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 08:15:58 No.26707559 Report

Quoted By: >>26707585

>>26707538
Wasn't everything in X/Y handled in a shitty way though? It's hard to use X/Y as a measure of quality in either direction when it was so terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 08:19:54 No.26707585 Report

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>>26707559

More like the story handling eternal life as a theme was 'Look, here's a guy with LITERAL ETERNAL LIFE' and chaos and destruction was just 'Look, here's a SUPERWEAPON.'

Nips just can't into thematic subtlety. Prepare for some rare Pokemon to undergo some kind of cosmetic transformation depending on what berries it eats and for people to pipe up proclaiming it as an exploration of alchemical themes.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 09:46:56 No.26708144 Report

Quoted By: >>26708488

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 09:48:11 No.26708155 Report

Quoted By: >>26708417

>>26707478
>Earth
>a Flying type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 10:29:44 No.26708412 Report

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>This official image

How do you figure this is official, OP? If it's official, why is the text in English? Why isn't it colored? Most, if not all of the officially released images are colored, shaded, the whole 9 yards. Only leaks are this sketched shit.

I call bullshit on this.
3/10 for making me reply.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 10:30:15 No.26708417 Report

Quoted By: >>26708470

>>26708155
>>26708155
Becomes Grass/Ground according to the .jp website.

Watch it just become a green Wan Shi Tong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 10:38:12 No.26708470 Report

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>>26708417
>Becomes Grass/Ground according to the .jp website.

Bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 10:42:20 No.26708488 Report

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>>26708144
>Rock Doggy being the alchemical symbol for spirit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 12:29:25 No.26709068 Report

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ability vital spirit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 15:44:16 No.26710424 Report

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Another thing to note the three starters and Iwanko could represent the four classical elements: fire, water, earth, and air.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 15:45:24 No.26710437 Report

Quoted By: >>26710443

>>26707478
this pic need that rock puppy

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 15:46:07 No.26710443 Report

Quoted By: >>26713581

>>26710437
Here ya go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 15:57:11 No.26710546 Report

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>>26707478
>This official image

Sauce?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 15:57:29 No.26710550 Report

Quoted By: >>26710595

>>26707538
> France
> Norse mythology as a theme

> New York
> Three Musketters as a theme

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:02:41 No.26710595 Report

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>>26710550
Unova was more based on taoism, i think. what with Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem representing Yin, Yang, and Wuji.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:02:51 No.26710598 Report

Quoted By: >>26710633

>>26707478
It's pretty amusing for the first few times, but now it seems to be the only thing people would talk about.
I mean, it's not wrong to stretch a fact or two just to fit a certain symbolism, but when said stretch is considered factual, then we have a problem.

That said, I'm still hoping for any FMA reference, just for the shit and giggles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:07:00 No.26710633 Report

Quoted By: >>26711005 >>26711328

>>26710598
Out of curiosity, did you consider it a stretch when Xerneas and Yveltal were first thought to be of Norse Mythology?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:21:47 No.26710821 Report

Quoted By: >>26713791

>>26707538
Earth symbol appears in the temple where solgaleo/lunala appears.
Watch the first trailer and pause it when lenala appears.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:28:50 No.26710884 Report

Quoted By: >>26710917

>>26707478
Marshadow might represent the top symbol here, we might have a quartet of legendaries, all of singular types.

Iwanko representing lead might be down to design decisions, not a major contributor, but a theme follower all the same, the starters and legendaries though, they're actually linked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:32:23 No.26710917 Report

Quoted By: >>26710926

>>26710884
Without a doubt, this generation is going to be the biggest in terms of lore. Even more than Sinnoh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:33:20 No.26710926 Report

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>>26710917
know what's even better?

Sun and Moon are alchemical symbols for Gold and Silver, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:36:40 No.26710954 Report

Quoted By: >>26710977

>>26707478
>How do you feel about all the alchemy symbolism in Pokemon Sun/Moon?
Well, the games haven't come out yet, so it's too early for to jump to conclusions and say that it is all about muh alchemy and muh DEEPEST LORE.

>This official image, and the explanation behind the legendaries and alll.
>official
Fucking kek, the theory was cool at first, but alchemy faggots being like this fucking ruined it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:38:35 No.26710977 Report

Quoted By: >>26711020

>>26710954
>being so butthurt that you had to come to this thread to shit on the idea, despite the evidence supporting the theory growing day by day

fucking kek my man you're a totally well-adjusted individual.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:40:54 No.26711005 Report

Quoted By: >>26711043 >>26711328

>>26710633
Not him, but the with them it was just Xerneas and Yveltal before the games were announced. That's it, no one was saying the games plot would be about norse mythology or tried to establish connections between every single Pokemon and norse myths.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:42:12 No.26711020 Report

Quoted By: >>26711025

>>26710977
>being so butthurt you had to reply to an answer that is just stating a general opinion

fucking kek my man you're a totally well-adjusted individual. :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:42:51 No.26711025 Report

Quoted By: >>26711051

>>26711020
;^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:45:05 No.26711043 Report

Quoted By: >>26711073

>>26711005
True, but it's worth noting that this is the first generation where both the Box Legendaries and the starters shared a theme. Every generation prior only had a historical lore shared amongst legendaries, such as Hebrew for the Weather and Regi trios, or Taoism for the Tao trio.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:45:47 No.26711051 Report

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>>26711025
(^;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:48:50 No.26711073 Report

Quoted By: >>26711164 >>26711198 >>26712144

>>26711043
>but it's worth noting that this is the first generation where both the Box Legendaries and the starters shared a theme.
When this was discovered I was all for the alchemy theory, at least until people started doing bullshit like the image in the OP. Stretching the facts to fit the theory just makes it seem way more out there and less plausible. I think that it lost me with Iwanko's leak and people suddenly saying that it was also part of the starter set because it "fits" with the alchemy theory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:51:33 No.26711094 Report

Quoted By: >>26711122

>>26707478
>This official image
This perfectly illustrates how dumb alchemist kids are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:53:51 No.26711122 Report

Quoted By: >>26711136 >>26711157 >>26711159

>>26711094
>This perfectly illustrates how dumb alchemist kids are.
Not at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:55:19 No.26711136 Report

Quoted By: >>26711159

>>26711122
no see, the OP mistakenly said official, so apparently we're all retarded by that logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:57:11 No.26711157 Report

Quoted By: >>26711182

>>26711122
It actually does. The image isn't from any official source, yet OP claimed it was official. Rowlett and Popplio, especially Popplio, are drawn to fit the symbols. Also
>Grass = Earth
I just love this. Before Iwanko was revealed alchemykiddies were all like
>Yeah, Rowlett is both wind and earth xdxDXD
And after Iwanko was introduced they just lumped it together with the starters to make it fit the theory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:57:33 No.26711159 Report

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>>26711122
>>26711136
It's not "proof" if you have to draw it yourself, retard. Besides, a circle is such a common shape that you can fit it into pretty much any pattern you want to make up.

And please explain how a bat fits into this. Why a bat, specifically?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:57:50 No.26711164 Report

Quoted By: >>26711193

>>26711073
>CoroCoro hints that Rowlet, Litten, Popplio and Iwanko all hide a secret

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 16:59:42 No.26711182 Report

Quoted By: >>26711228

>>26711157
You do realize that the classical earth element includes trees and stuff right? Grass is earth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 17:00:27 No.26711193 Report

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>>26711164
I think that the secret is that they can all use the new battle mechanic that will be introduced with the new protagonist's bracelet. Every time corocoro hypes something up that way it turns out to be a letdown, since "hidden secret" is a buzzword used to create hype. Remember Musharna's secret?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 17:00:38 No.26711198 Report

Quoted By: >>26711222

>>26711073
Well, it's not stretching the facts. They're merely pointing out potential likenesses between alchemical symbols and the Pokemon, suggesting a connection. From this potential connection we can predict what other Pokemon will debut in this generation, as well as the lore of the region. There's no official statements made about anything other than official videos and the corocoro leak. It's all just fun yet still arbitrary speculation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 17:03:46 No.26711222 Report

Quoted By: >>26711249 >>26711256

>>26711198
It's not fun if you retards are gonna be all "There's absolutely no way it's not gonna be alchemy, guys! Now I'm gonna shitpost about this theory a dozen times a day, and get buttblasted if you disagree!"

It's zodiacfags all over again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 17:04:33 No.26711228 Report

Quoted By: >>26711303

>>26711182
Thing is they completely abandoned that ship as soon as the doggie was leaked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 17:06:31 No.26711249 Report

Quoted By: >>26711259

>>26711222
>fag
Stop using slurs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 17:07:25 No.26711256 Report

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>>26711222
Huh. Haven't seen too many people pressing the subject that hard around here. At least, not on the few boards I viewed, anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 17:07:38 No.26711259 Report

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>>26711249
>Stop using slurs.
Love this time of the year. Shitposting is through the roof. Have you even completed the Pokedex?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 17:12:12 No.26711303 Report

Quoted By: >>26711311

>>26711228
Well I don't know who they are or what ship they were on, but it's pretty much an undeniable fact that Pokemon has been using alchemy themes since the 4th gen, like with Azoth and what not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 17:13:12 No.26711311 Report

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>>26711303
since the 6th gen I mean

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 17:14:59 No.26711328 Report

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>>26710633
Unfortunately I wasn't around the internet when XY was announced. Heck, I didn't even know about ORAS until earlier this year, two years after the fact.
But if what >>26711005 said is true, I'd say that much is fine; they're legendaries after all. Now, if someone were to go up in arms saying something like "Chespin is Ratatoskr because squirrel"... well, you know, problem.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 17:57:30 No.26711812 Report

Quoted By: >>26714049

I'm gonna leave this here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 18:00:13 No.26711847 Report

Quoted By: >>26713204

Excited to see where they go with it. Why is this board always so damn negative? Can't people just enjoy speculation and hype?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 18:25:36 No.26712144 Report

Quoted By: >>26713204 >>26713287

>>26711073
I agree completely about Iwanko. Most people who repeat the lead bullshit probably don't realize that the main basis for the original three was that Sulfer, Salt, and Mercury are a symbolic trinity in alchemy. Throwing lead in there is a stretch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:02:55 No.26713204 Report

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>>26711847
I enjoy speculation, but not when it falls down to straight up circlejerking territory. As I said before, I was all about the alchemy theory until a lot people started acting like it was the absolute truth and started stretching and twisting everything around. Take what >>26712144 said for example, people just take the parts that are convenient for them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:12:44 No.26713287 Report

Quoted By: >>26713357

>>26712144
Alright, I'll give you that. But still, they did say that the three starters AND Iwanko for some reason were all part of a secret. Whether that means they all of Synchro evolution or something else still remains to be seen. I'm not gonna start with any more speculation, but it still seems odd to group a supposed rattata/lillipup expy with the three starters. That alone is enough to start stuff, as this thread and many others can illustrate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:21:23 No.26713357 Report

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>>26713287
I can't wait for it to be the new mechanic and all the alchemyfags run to hide under the nearest rock. Almost as good as the anti fairy fags back in 2013.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:21:59 No.26713364 Report

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>>26707478
>This official image

Fuck off, faggot. Stop shilling your retarded fan theory here.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:23:23 No.26713373 Report

Quoted By: >>26713383 >>26713469 >>26713506

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:24:28 No.26713383 Report

Quoted By: >>26713469

>>26713373

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:34:30 No.26713469 Report

Quoted By: >>26713486

>>26713373
>>26713383
Whether the connections to alchemy are legit or not, all this stuff is pretty cool to research.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:36:46 No.26713486 Report

Quoted By: >>26713500 >>26713559

>>26713469
This. I don't think it will be more than design references, since Pokemon is a children game, and considering how people at GF have stated that they believe the current market isn't one that would stick to a hard game, I don't think the story will contain anything special regarding alchemy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:40:01 No.26713500 Report

Quoted By: >>26713524 >>26713896 >>26713919

>>26713486
Really? Where did GF say that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:40:33 No.26713506 Report

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>>26713373
HGSS confirmed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:42:44 No.26713524 Report

Quoted By: >>26713533 >>26713560

>>26713500
I've seen it posted a few times before here, but GF has said that they believe they're main demographic (children) is not the same as it was 20 years ago. Kids this days are basically born playing mobile games, so they're used to more compact "gaming" experiences, hence making them having to adjust some details about the game to try and fit what they believe will draw in their main target audience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:43:44 No.26713533 Report

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>>26713524
>they're
Fuck me, meant their.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:43:56 No.26713537 Report

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It's going to be so annoying to have to put up with you alchemy idiots until you come up with some new dumb thing to try to shove in our faces all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:46:03 No.26713559 Report

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>>26713486
I disagree. If anything the AZOTH stuff implies the opposite. A vague, actually complicated storyline running through the backgrounds of multiple games.

It's obviously not in the forefront and the games would never be advertised with having a story with complex elements and concepts like alchemy in it, but it's still there.

Not to mention legendaries commonly have some sort of mythological influence. Just look at the Hoenn trio. They're based off of Ziz, Behemoth, and Leviathan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:46:26 No.26713560 Report

Quoted By: >>26713587

>>26713524
That's sad. But what with all the professional tourneys, you'd think GF would see that the demographic includes both kids and the adults who grew up playing the first games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:49:39 No.26713581 Report

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>>26710443
He's honestly the cutest fucking thing I've ever come across, well him and fire kitten. They make me wanna pull my hair out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:50:39 No.26713587 Report

Quoted By: >>26713653

>>26713560
Yeah, it sucks. It would be cool to see how the whole player base is divided by age, so we can see how many children are actually playing the games and how many players are actually people on their twenties or older playing.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:51:30 No.26713599 Report

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Alchemy has been ramping up in pokemon since ORAS when project AZOTH was mentioned, as well as the hermetic green dragon's ascension. Can't wait to see where this goes 2bh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 20:57:46 No.26713653 Report

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>>26713587
Cool as that may be, they'd have to deal with the elitist, iv-breeding competitive scene. It doesn't help that more and more levels are added to the constantly evolving meta every single generation.
and yes, puns intended.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 21:13:06 No.26713791 Report

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>>26710821
I don't see it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 21:23:44 No.26713896 Report

Quoted By: >>26713919

>>26713500
I had to go digging, but. There's another screen of this I'll go looking for.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 21:26:02 No.26713919 Report

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>>26713500
>>26713896
Here it is.
This is why even though I want to be hopeful about the new games, I'm struggling with it.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jun 2016 21:41:30 No.26714049 Report

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>>26711812

>Paracelsus

One of of Magearna movie characters is named Racel.
Another is Chymia.
Another is Ether.
Magearna's creator is named Eliphas, literally the name of a French occultist who wrote the book that infamous Baphomet image comes from.

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