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Anonymous Sat 18 Jun 2016 21:40:03 No.26791315 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>26791368 >>26791588 >>26794413 >>26796556

>Choice Banded Stakeout Boosted STAB Retaliate

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Anonymous Sat 18 Jun 2016 21:44:01 No.26791368 Report

Quoted By: >>26791658 >>26794560

>>26791315
>tfw it has bad stats
I want to believe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jun 2016 22:02:55 No.26791588 Report

Quoted By: >>26791606

>>26791315
you do know it only gets the boost whenever something switches in, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jun 2016 22:04:47 No.26791606 Report

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>>26791588
>choice locked ghost move KOs your mon
They gotta switch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jun 2016 22:09:19 No.26791648 Report

Quoted By: >>26791748 >>26794398

Opponent kills one of your mons. Swich in yungoos use retaliate while opponent swiches in non ghost mon
(140+70(STAB))×2=420 Base power

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jun 2016 22:10:00 No.26791658 Report

Quoted By: >>26791692

>>26791368
Talonflame have shit stats besides Speed and it's OU. 81 Atk and it's OU seriously?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jun 2016 22:13:36 No.26791692 Report

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>>26791658
Stakeout clearly isn't as broken or as useful as Gale Wings Brave Bird/Roost. I think it has to have at least decent stats, hopefully speed.

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Anonymous Sat 18 Jun 2016 22:19:37 No.26791748 Report

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>>26791648
That's some high base power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jun 2016 23:00:36 No.26792125 Report

Quoted By: >>26794422 >>26796527 >>26797158 >>26799398

>le retaliate meme
Who fucking started this garbage? Retaliate is an awful move and Stake Out is a very situational ability.

Retaliate only gets boosted in power if your shit gets killed, which means you've let something die just so you can fire off one powered up attack. Literally worthless. Return or even fucking Double-Edge is going to give you comparable power without sacrificing something, and they're both actually STRONGER over the course of two turns or if you haven't lost any Pokemon.

That aside, Tough Jaw Hyper Fang hits 120 BP without factoring in STAB. That's 20 points weaker than a boosted Retaliate (either through switching or losing a mon) and it's consistent damage.

TL;DR: Stake Out looks good on paper but if you can't force switches (I don't see this thing being that big of a threat) it's a useless ability. Retaliation is a shitty gimmick, even as a joke.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 03:01:55 No.26794398 Report

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>>26791648
BLAZE IT

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 03:03:27 No.26794413 Report

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>>26791315

>56 base Attack

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Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 03:04:02 No.26794422 Report

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>>26792125
>What is a revenge killer

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Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 03:05:57 No.26794433 Report

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>mfw a pokemon with a conditional huge power ends up with lower atk than a pokemon that simply has huge power

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Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 03:17:39 No.26794511 Report

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I want to believe in Yungoos

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 03:17:52 No.26794512 Report

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I feel like this thing is not going to get many kills on the switch, but more often make it too risky to switch out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 03:23:11 No.26794560 Report

Quoted By: >>26796459

>>26791368
Well, let's not have too much faith in GF, so let's just pretend it has Linoone's stats and go with that.

>+2 252 Atk Choice Band Linoone Return vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 229-270 (75.5 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>+2 252 Atk Choice Band Linoone Retaliate vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 313-370 (103.3 - 122.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>+2 252 Atk Choice Band Linoone U-turn vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 105-124 (34.6 - 40.9%) -- 65.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Shame it does such shit damage if the opponent chooses to stay in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 07:56:08 No.26796459 Report

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>>26794560
Yes hopefully it has good atk and speed to be a good revenge killer

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 08:08:44 No.26796527 Report

Quoted By: >>26796546 >>26796552

>>26792125
Are you trolling?

Retaliate gets 140 damage. That's higher than Return or DE.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 08:11:34 No.26796546 Report

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>>26796527
>Reading comprehension

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 08:12:38 No.26796552 Report

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>>26796527
Only if something dies. If you need a pokemon to die for you to actually be able to kill things, that's fucking terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 08:12:49 No.26796556 Report

Quoted By: >>26799425

>>26791315
Hopefully for Trumprat it learns Knock off if it doesnt want to get walled by every single ghost in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 09:50:35 No.26797158 Report

Quoted By: >>26799454

>>26792125
>and they're both actually STRONGER over the course of two turns
140+70=210
102+102=204

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 16:19:58 No.26799398 Report

Quoted By: >>26799480

>>26792125
>Retaliate only gets boosted in power if your shit gets killed, which means you've let something die just so you can fire off one powered up attack. Literally worthless.

If you never let something die, then it doesn't matter what you put on Yungoos because you've already won.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 16:24:41 No.26799425 Report

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>>26796556
If you want to put walls up, you'll have to deal with people putting walls up against you. Shouldn't just be a one way thing that only benefits you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 16:28:02 No.26799454 Report

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>>26797158
Well now I look like a fag, but my point still stands.

As a side note, Strong Jaw Crunch is a more reliable way to handle the obvious Ghost switch in, assuming this thing doesn't get Knock Off (which it probably will)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Jun 2016 16:31:27 No.26799480 Report

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>>26799398

>Literally useless
Say this to Lenora.

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