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Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 18:25:28 No.26823273 View View Reply Original Report

ITT: Things that need to happen
>Dragon Dance Garchomp
>Nasty Plot Gengar
>Knock Off Tyranitar
>Shell Smash Blastoise
>Slack Off Snorlax
>Inner Strength: a physical version of Hidden Power
>Stealth Rock triggering Weakness Policy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 18:33:01 No.26823351 Report

Quoted By: >>26823530

>>26823273
Sing Pidgeot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 18:46:50 No.26823519 Report

Quoted By: >>26827255

>>26823273
Female only Goodra

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 18:47:55 No.26823530 Report

Quoted By: >>26823608

>>26823351
this
/thread
/board
/internet

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 18:50:04 No.26823559 Report

Quoted By: >>26823608 >>26823644 >>26827227

OP's death.
Retcon of Gale Wings.
Removal of genies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 18:53:24 No.26823608 Report

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>>26823559
>Removal of genies.
this even more than >>26823530
i love you and i would suck your cock right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 18:55:18 No.26823644 Report

Quoted By: >>26823663 >>26823677 >>26823783

>>26823559
What's wrong with Gale Wings?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 18:56:27 No.26823663 Report

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>>26823644
it basically garuntees an instant win

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 18:57:13 No.26823677 Report

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>>26823644
>120 base power +1 priority
>Priority healing

>What wrong with it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 18:58:35 No.26823706 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823273
Dark Void Sableye

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:00:26 No.26823735 Report

Quoted By: >>26824607

>>26823273
DD Garchomp shouldn't happen
It gives Zygarde a reason to exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:03:51 No.26823783 Report

Quoted By: >>26823875 >>26823916 >>26825448 >>26827026 >>26830819

>>26823644
Oh boy.

Gale Wings has become THE centralizing point of the Singles metagame. I will point out, before anyone claims otherwise, that Talonflame is not overpowered. There ARE counters to Talonflame, obviously. But it IS overcentralizing. It offers far too much power for far too little investment, making it an easy choice for any team, and requiring that every team, even those WITHOUT a Talonflame, carries:
>Stealth Rocks
>Something that can tank two BBs and return a OHKO
>not too many Flying weak mons
Or risk losing several Pokemon to the single easiest revenge killer in the entire metagame. Again, "easy" does not equate to "overpowered," but it does offer far too much for far too little.

Talonflame's easy access power has eliminated a massive amount of Flying-weak Pokemon from the metagame. BL reads like a Who's Who of "Talonflame invalidates this Pokemon's existence."

Even at relatively low base Attack; a 120 BP priority move with an excellent typing, a priority healing move, and BOTH of these coming off a superb Speed stat that makes it so even OTHER priority +1 moves are unlikely to go first make Gale Wings a complete and utter mistake.

Also I'm a Bugfag and Talonflame triggers me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:14:17 No.26823875 Report

Quoted By: >>26823951 >>26832097

>>26823783
>Also I'm a Bugfag and Talonflame triggers me.

That's the only reason why you think Gale Wings is overcentralizing. A Pokemon tha tis A rank on the viability ranking doesn't deserve to be banned.

Talonflame is a good mon, but it was VASTLY overhyped for a long time. It is actually better in doubles than it is in singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:17:21 No.26823916 Report

Quoted By: >>26823928 >>26824332 >>26824498

>>26823783
See it's just that everyone runs stealth rocks. Without rocks, I think there would be a M-Charizard X+Talonflame ban

being a bugfag and a Fightingfag is suffering

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:18:02 No.26823925 Report

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>>26823273
why is that pepe wearing Blue's jacket

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:18:22 No.26823928 Report

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>>26823916
*not a ban, but discussion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:20:26 No.26823948 Report

Quoted By: >>26832867

>>26823273
Earth Power Typhlosion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:20:45 No.26823951 Report

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>>26823875
Again, I'm not claiming that Talonflame is overpowered. It is quite easily countered by a number of things, hence its lower-than-expected viability ranking. It's not nearly so bad as Gen 4 Garchomp, to the point that there's a "4drag2mag" style meta revolving around the bird. But it is undeniable that Talonflame offers entirely too much power against SEVERAL Pokemon. One single Pokemon should not invalidate an entire type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:34:35 No.26824133 Report

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The ability Justified needs to negate Dark types moves along with give the boost that it already does.

Only a handful of Pokemon have it so I don't really see it being abused unless its against something like a Yveltal, but in that case you deserve to get fucked by Justified.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:44:14 No.26824244 Report

Quoted By: >>26824318 >>26824589 >>26824632 >>26824648 >>26826287 >>26831779

>>26823273
>physical version of hidden power
>in a game where Earthquake, Stone Edge, Superpower and the like are learned by literally everything

Name 5 physical mons who would even fucking want that who aren't Talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:48:28 No.26824291 Report

Quoted By: >>26824655

Sucker Punch Tyranitar
It'd be pretty great

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:51:20 No.26824318 Report

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>>26824244
I'm sure there are pokemon that would want to run a physical Ice, Fire, or Electric move for coverage. Being able to get a physical hit on something with 4x Ice or Fire weakness would help out

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 19:52:07 No.26824332 Report

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>>26823916
>being a bugfag and a Fightingfag is suffering
I have to lay down rocks repeatedly and also use T-wave a lot to catch that shitbirb off guard but the satisfaction of knocking it out with Machamp or Conkeldurr is fucking priceless

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:08:11 No.26824498 Report

Quoted By: >>26831821

>>26823916
>be a Bugfag and Fightingfag
>gen 6 nerfs both with Birb and Fairies
FUCKING GAMEFRICK

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:12:20 No.26824542 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823273

>ITT: Things that should never happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:17:00 No.26824589 Report

Quoted By:

>>26824244
>Stone Miss
nigga...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:18:15 No.26824607 Report

Quoted By: >>26826175

>>26823735
tfw no Dragon Rush Zygarde just because of his shitty Mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:20:45 No.26824632 Report

Quoted By: >>26824659 >>26825044 >>26829430

>>26824244
Every Physical grass type thats not Venusaur
Most ghost-types
Anything thats sorely lacking in Coverage
Dragons that dont learn Poison Jab (Which is admittedly like none, and the ones that dont have Iron Head/Tail)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:22:37 No.26824648 Report

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>>26824244
scizor

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:23:08 No.26824655 Report

Quoted By: >>26825361

>>26824291
How's that fat barney reptile thing going to surprise attack anything?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:23:42 No.26824659 Report

Quoted By: >>26824690 >>26824709

>>26824632
Why the fuck would a Dragon be able to learn Poison Jab?
The only reason you would think this up because you're assblasted from fairies or some shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:24:10 No.26824666 Report

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>physical hidden power
Don't be so mean to Natural Gift.
It's sure to come back in the gen 4 remakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:27:02 No.26824690 Report

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>>26824659
Haxorus greets you warmly

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:29:18 No.26824709 Report

Quoted By: >>26824744

>>26824659
Because most dragons are covered in sharp things.

Other dragons learn Iron Head/Tail like I said but these two specifically get Poison Jab too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:31:40 No.26824735 Report

Quoted By: >>26824881

Mach Punch Heracross

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:32:27 No.26824744 Report

Quoted By: >>26824788 >>26824810 >>26831825

>>26824709
>Sharp things means Poison
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:36:59 No.26824788 Report

Quoted By: >>26824811 >>26824832

>>26824744
>implying poison jab specifically requires the ability to create poison and not just the ability to stab something

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:38:38 No.26824810 Report

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>>26824744
Anything that learns toxic and has the ability to jab can theoretically learn poison jab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:38:45 No.26824811 Report

Quoted By: >>26826090

>>26824788
>The target is stabbed with a tentacle or arm steeped in poison. This may also poison the target.
I'd say it does. You don't poison things just by stabing them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:39:45 No.26824825 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823273
>>Inner Strength: a physical version of Hidden Power
I'd actually like this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:40:28 No.26824832 Report

Quoted By:

>>26824788

Every Pokemon creates fucking poison anyway, they all learn toxic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:45:54 No.26824881 Report

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>>26824735
Be fucking happy with your mega that already has tons of power and needs twave intimidate to even be taken down without talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 20:52:02 No.26824958 Report

Quoted By: >>26826101 >>26831827

>>26823273
>gale wings Skarmory
>metal burst on Wobbuffet
>prankster Smeargle
>shadow tag Chandelure
>sucker punch Tyranitar

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 21:00:33 No.26825044 Report

Quoted By: >>26825256 >>26826101

>>26824632
>Every Physical grass type thats not Venusaur
So that's Tangrowth, Ferrothorn and Breloom, none of which have a need for that since the former 2 are support mons and the latter hits everything between Bullet Seed, mach Punch and Rock Tomb. Abomasnow doesn't need it, Virizion doesn't need it, Sawsbuck, Trevenant and Torterra don't. The only thing that would benefit from this is Leafeon

>Most ghost-types
Golurk and Aegislash don't need it, Dusknoir gets plenty of coverage already and is still a PU shitmon so a 60 BP coverage move won't help it, especially since it doesn't even get a decent physical ghost move. Sableye's attacking stats are equal but there's no reason for it to use anything but knock off. A Bulk Up set might be good in the same way that Calm mind was popular but this discussion isn't about whether it should learn bulk up or not. That leaves Banette

>Anything thats sorely lacking in Coverage
vague non-answer

you named 2/5, good job

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 21:06:32 No.26825102 Report

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Arcanine with Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 21:23:34 No.26825256 Report

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>>26825044
Not that guy, but I can easily give you more. Azumarill and Landorus-t would both like a way to get past Ferrothorn that doesn't come with the stat drops of superpower. Bisharp doesn't necessarily need coverage moves, but it would appreciate the option of running one to surprise a usual check. Scizor would absolutely love getting a technician-boosted attack of any type it chooses. Fire to hit Ferrothorn or Skarmory, ground for Heatran, whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 21:29:16 No.26825302 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823273

>Inner Strength: a physical version of Hidden Power

Stop this. The tradeoff between special attackers and physical attackers is that everyone has access to swords dance while fucking nobody gets nasty plot. Special attackers get hidden power, but physical gets higher power reliable accuracy moves.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 21:36:03 No.26825361 Report

Quoted By: >>26825950

>>26824655
Like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 21:44:20 No.26825448 Report

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>>26823783
>Talon is overcentralizing
>Clef isn't

Git gud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 21:52:32 No.26825563 Report

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Head Smash Bagon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 22:24:57 No.26825940 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823273
>Eviolite ceases to exist
>stallfags forced to actually battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 22:26:34 No.26825950 Report

Quoted By: >>26827144

>>26825361
does anyone have the mega slap version ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 22:39:13 No.26826090 Report

Quoted By:

>>26824811
Listen son, if you can punch things and freeze them or set your fist on fire, you can poison things by stabbing them. And Id be hard pressed to find a Fighting-type that DOESNT learn it. Most of the Muskedeers do, even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 22:40:13 No.26826101 Report

Quoted By: >>26826118

>>26824958
>Shadow Tag Chandelure
>not mentioning Volt Absorb Zapdos

>>26825044
>vague
Should I just give you a list of Pokemon in RU and below?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 22:41:37 No.26826118 Report

Quoted By: >>26826129

>>26826101
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 22:42:35 No.26826129 Report

Quoted By: >>26826172

>>26826118
Okay then;
Any pokemon below UU could make use out of a Physical hidden power except the dedicated Special attackers.
Literally all of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 22:46:16 No.26826172 Report

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>>26826129
it doesn't do anything for tyrantrum, flygon, granbull, stingulor, tangrowth, sneasel, scrafty, dugtrio, rhyperior or braviary

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 22:46:22 No.26826175 Report

Quoted By:

>>26824607

>Mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 22:55:28 No.26826287 Report

Quoted By:

>>26824244
Kyurem Black

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 22:56:31 No.26826296 Report

Quoted By:

A decent special rock move that's not limited to 10 pokemon.
A decent physical rock move with 100% accuracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 23:03:51 No.26826379 Report

Quoted By: >>26827446

>>26823273
boomburst gardevoir. boomburst salamence. extremespeed kangaskhan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 23:17:55 No.26826563 Report

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icicle crash, ice shard, earthquake, volt tackle kyurem black

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jun 2016 23:56:50 No.26827026 Report

Quoted By: >>26827056 >>26827188 >>26827215 >>26827493

>>26823783
I have a dugtrio with focus sash that would smoke talonflame

some of you guys need to understand that just because your teams suck, doesn't mean the metagame is broken.

My cloister would rek a Talonflame too, as would my weavil which also has focus sash

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:00:15 No.26827056 Report

Quoted By: >>26827076

>>26827026
Cool, can dugtrio do anything else reliably?

Also stone edge can still miss....

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:01:54 No.26827076 Report

Quoted By: >>26827151

>>26827056(me)
Also there's no real way your Weavile is taking down a standard Brave birb

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:08:21 No.26827144 Report

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>>26825950

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:08:51 No.26827151 Report

Quoted By: >>26827192

>>26827076
right i fucked up on that, but you see my point

talonflame aint bad, but i prefer charizard in my team. priority will just compel your opponent to sacrifice to take you out if theyre any good, or counter it with a trapper. you can't just decide shit is overpowered because someone makes it the tip of their sword on their team and you arent ready for it

Dugtrio is just a solid pokemon. I used to have life orb to make his earthquake into a ridiculous last resort chipper, but ive found hes strong enough to go without boosts and keep focus sash to prepare for sweepers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:11:29 No.26827188 Report

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>>26827026
Did you even read his post? Also, having two Pokemon whose main strategy revolves around your opponent not having any sort of entry hazard, residual damage or priority doesn't strike me as anything remotely resembling a good idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:11:42 No.26827192 Report

Quoted By: >>26827252

>>26827151
Dugtrio is a bro. Arena trap catches me off guard a bit sometimes. When you need a focus sash to counter a Pokemon isn't that a little messed up?

all of your suggestions

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:11:49 No.26827196 Report

Quoted By: >>26831834

>>26823273
>Rapid Spin Scolipede
>Quiver Dance Flygon
>Fly Yanmega
>Electric/Poison Eelektross (or Mega)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:12:36 No.26827207 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823273
Shell smash would save samurott

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:13:30 No.26827215 Report

Quoted By: >>26827246 >>26827252 >>26827275

>>26827026
All of those can only revenge kill. None of them can switch into a talonflame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:13:48 No.26827217 Report

Quoted By: >>26827230

>>26823273
>x4 and x1/4 weaknesses and resistances become x3 and x1/3
>stealth rock does half damage
>Electric, Poison and Psychic type combos with eachother. Seriously, why hasn't this happened yet?

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:14:30 No.26827227 Report

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>>26823559
>genies finally removed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:14:43 No.26827230 Report

Quoted By: >>26827270

>>26827217
What the fuck did I just read

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:14:59 No.26827231 Report

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>Removal of genies.
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:16:19 No.26827246 Report

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>>26827215
This. It's the whole problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:17:07 No.26827252 Report

Quoted By: >>26827303 >>26827342 >>26827474

>>26827192
why would it be messed up? pokemon is like chess. sometimes you designate a motherfucker to die just to get a specific hit in that saves your ass.

>>26827215
and?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:17:26 No.26827255 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823519
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:18:46 No.26827270 Report

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>>26827230
If the typing weaknesses were lessened for dual types. Everything would immediately become more viable, and the offensive lean that we have right now would be lessened somewhat.

Make SR worse.

I just want Eelektross to be Electric/Poison 2bh

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:19:07 No.26827275 Report

Quoted By: >>26827290

>>26827215
also Suicune could switch into a talonflame

get good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:20:13 No.26827290 Report

Quoted By: >>26827309

>>26827275
my dick can switch into talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:21:12 No.26827303 Report

Quoted By: >>26827326

>>26827252
Designating 1/6 of your team just to take out a Pokemon, that can only realistically brought in if another Pokemon does before it isn't very balanced anon.

Because you can't switch in on it, something has to take a hit before it, making sure you're one check is at 100%

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:21:24 No.26827309 Report

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>>26827290
prolly cant handle my shiny charizard tho can it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:22:34 No.26827326 Report

Quoted By: >>26827348 >>26827619

>>26827303
Literally not designating anything. I just choose superior pokemon to fight with

>>26827057
here it is... "the team"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:24:00 No.26827342 Report

Quoted By:

>>26827252
>You send out dugtrio
>talonflame used BRAVE BIRD
>dugtrio held on to his focus sash
>Talonflame used BRAVE BIRD
>dugtrio fainted

Alternatively

>Switch into dugtrio
>stealth rock fucks your sash
>Talonflame used BRAVE BIRB
>duggy fainted

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:24:39 No.26827348 Report

Quoted By: >>26827370

>>26827326
Well can you switch in on Talonflame from a random Pokemon like Gengar for example?

No because it breaks your focus sash. Something need to die before you can kill it and use your focus sash, and that's if they DONT have hazards up too

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:26:35 No.26827370 Report

Quoted By: >>26827414

>>26827348
oh you're still hung up on sacrificing pokemon? damn you will NEVER be good.

either way suicune can probably switch in raw. brave bird isn't shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:29:02 No.26827414 Report

Quoted By: >>26827472

>>26827370
.....?

How are you supposed to use dugtrio then?

Brave birds not great against Suicine, but suicune is too scared of too many other things for OU in reality

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:30:21 No.26827446 Report

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>>26826379
you're cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:32:40 No.26827472 Report

Quoted By: >>26827493 >>26827506

>>26827414
I'm literally just telling you how to counter talonflame with a random team i made before even visiting /vp/.

I got here and you guys are talking like he's so big and bad, but he's worse than charizard. I have more problems against an aerodactyl

you are literally angry that a pokemon OHKOs too easily. fucking adapt instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:32:44 No.26827474 Report

Quoted By: >>26827487

>>26827252
Sacrificing a pokemon every single time to take out a single pokemon is not good playing.
Saccing is a last resort, not the first option and only option you think off to take care of a talonflame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:33:53 No.26827487 Report

Quoted By: >>26827506

>>26827474
I would rather sacrifice dugtrio than risk scaring him away with suicune and not getting the kill.

you guys are really lackluster if im being perfectly honest with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:34:23 No.26827493 Report

Quoted By: >>26827552

>>26827472
How do you use dugrio. Name an example situation. You said it would smoke Talonflame >>26827026

That's all I'm asking

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:35:12 No.26827506 Report

Quoted By: >>26827539 >>26827552

>>26827472
There's plenty of pokemon that counter talonflame. You're just not naming them.

Fucking dugtrio, lmao.
>>26827487
Or you can use any of the pokemon that can actually deal with Talonflame consistently while not being shit insteading of insisting on saccing something regularly. Listen to yourself, faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:35:55 No.26827515 Report

Quoted By: >>26827571

Regigigas having a good ability/not being complete shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:38:11 No.26827539 Report

Quoted By: >>26827565 >>26827595

>>26827506
What OU Pokemon can consistently deal with Talonflame? If you get a 2+ from swords dance Suicine is long gone

Especially since you can't burn the fucker

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:39:05 No.26827552 Report

Quoted By: >>26827564 >>26827571 >>26827595

>>26827493
ok lets say he kills one of my pokemon, dugtrio comes in, focus sash does its business and a simple earthquake is the revenge kill.

If there are traps present, I've simply fucked up. How am i going to get stealth rocked when I have gengar and dugtrio? I'm the fucking stealth rocker. fuck outta here.

>>26827506
are you seriously considering constructing your team to beat one pokemon? one pokmemon you don't know if you're going to face when you battle?

I gave you a scenario where I can trash talonflame with my every day team. fuck off. he's not shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:40:50 No.26827564 Report

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>>26827552
meant stone edge
please god dont go autistic on me for internet argument victory points

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:41:00 No.26827565 Report

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>>26827539
slowbro, heatran, rotom, stingulor, rhyperior, tyranitar

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:41:55 No.26827571 Report

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>>26827552
>You need a Pokemon to die to bring in your specific revenge killer

That's not a hard counter. I also have no idea what's you are talking about with hazards. You lose dugtrio if your oppent has hazards up pervious and your team doesn't have a spinner or defogger from what I saw

>>26827515
Also this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:44:34 No.26827595 Report

Quoted By: >>26827607

>>26827539
Zapdos, Rotom-W, Mega Manetric, Heatran, Slowbro, Mega Slowbro, Hippowdon.

There's a few lower tier pokemon that deal with it well too. Rhyperior is the biggest example.

>>26827552
Talonflame beats Suicide if Talonflame has taunt, you dumb nigger.

You don't need to build a team around countering it, retard. There's plenty of single pokemon that can handle it easily. Pokemon that are useful at handling other situations outside of talonflame which your pokemon can't even handle lamo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:45:57 No.26827607 Report

Quoted By: >>26827668

>>26827595
name a SINGLE situation my godlike fucking champions (>>26827057) can't handle

I swear on me mum I will fookin rek u

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:47:36 No.26827619 Report

Quoted By: >>26827642

>>26827326
It's your first fucking day on /vp/? No wonder you sound retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:48:21 No.26827630 Report

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Endeavor Shedinja

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:49:25 No.26827642 Report

Quoted By: >>26827675

>>26827619
>cant counter my champions
>resort to internet pride battle where you talk shit to people in the hopes youre older and have more 'cred'
sweet

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:53:43 No.26827668 Report

Quoted By: >>26827721 >>26827787 >>26830885

>>26827607
252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Dugtrio: 429-505 (213.4 - 251.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
If an hazards, Dugtrio's sash can't do shit. Dugtrio can't even trap Talonflame with Arena Trap.

252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard: 210-247 (70.7 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 259-306 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Weavile: 404-476 (143.7 - 169.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 187-222 (47.5 - 56.4%) -- 32% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

As for Suicune, it's the best option you have, but specially defensive taunt Talonflame still beats it. Suicune can't 2HKO with scald.
0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Talonflame: 144-170 (40.1 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Talonflame can proceed to Bulk Up in his face.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:54:25 No.26827675 Report

Quoted By: >>26827700 >>26827735

>>26827642
I mean it's a team you "just made up" and it's your first day on vp sounds a little suspicious. Have you played it on showdown yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:56:43 No.26827700 Report

Quoted By: >>26827735

>>26827675
Have you made a team before? Also curious to what charizard you're running (Mega X is my best guess)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 00:58:37 No.26827721 Report

Quoted By: >>26827739

>>26827668
Not him, but who really runs choice band Talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:00:52 No.26827735 Report

Quoted By: >>26827752

>>26827700
Mega Y with solar beam

>>26827675
where's your team, buddy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:00:57 No.26827739 Report

Quoted By: >>26827829

>>26827721
It used to be a lot more popular at the start of XY. True hardly anyone uses it anymore, but I still see it occasionally. Something like 10-15% of the Talonflames I see in 1600+.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:02:02 No.26827749 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823273
I can play this game too OP
>Ice beam keldeo
>Brave bird/Head smash areodactyl
>Ice stealth rock variant.
>sucker punch tyrantiar
>high jump kick talonflame
>focus blast pidgeot
>fiery dance lilligant
>Brave bird and hurricane landorus
>Ice beam and hurricane thundurus
>volt switch tornadus
>thunderbolt greninja
>V-Create serperior

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:02:15 No.26827752 Report

Quoted By:

>>26827735
Im an NU guys....

I got tired of stall

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:03:33 No.26827768 Report

Quoted By: >>26827783

>Yungoos gets Retaliate
>its evo has pretty good Attack and Speed
>switch in to revenge kill on a sweeper
>Choice Banded, STAB, Retaliate
>enemy could either lose their sweeper or switch into their wall and have the attack boosted even further by Stake-Out
>Yungoos' evo suddenly becomes the best revenge killer in the meta game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:05:06 No.26827783 Report

Quoted By: >>26827794

>>26827768
>hits like an anemic ethiopian teenage girl if it isn't revenge killing

Just give it Return or Double Edge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:05:20 No.26827787 Report

Quoted By: >>26827813

>>26827668
I believe I already made a post stating hazards fuck me. But I'll take it.

If you HAPPEN to make a hazard-centric talonflame teambuild AND are fortunate enough to set it up on me during our fight without me doing shit about it, then you're fucking me, and I lose.

not likely, but it is my weakness.

As far as overpowered though? Nah. I'm not threatened by it enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:06:16 No.26827794 Report

Quoted By:

>>26827783
Why not both? Give it Life Orb instead of Choice Band and run Retaliate, Return, and two other moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:10:29 No.26827813 Report

Quoted By: >>26827842

>>26827787
I never made the claim it's overpowered. Just that your team sucks at dealing with it.
>hazard centric
Nigga. It is not "hazard centric" to just stick fucking stealth rock on a skarmory or the thirty billion pokemon that learn stealth rock.
And I sincerely doubt your charizard has Defog, so once any hazard goes down, you're not getting rid of them.

Fucking hell. "Hazard centric" has to be the dumbest thing I've heard someone say. As sticking stealth rock on a Chansey or Hippowdon completely solidifies a team as a "hazard centric" team. It's a turn of momentum to set up stealth rocks. I truly, truly doubt no one has ever set up rocks in your face before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:13:26 No.26827829 Report

Quoted By:

>>26827739
Yeah, when I did OU I never really got passed 1600, I was stuck around 1400-1500 I'm not great but I have a decent understanding of the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:15:53 No.26827842 Report

Quoted By: >>26827925

>>26827813
Hey you really seem to know your shit, I want to get back into OU because I've been getting high on NU and little cup.

I've been thinking about making my team around weakness policy Dragonite, is that viable still? I remeber it being pretty well in XY. Got any good partners for a core?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:20:06 No.26827880 Report

Quoted By: >>26827897

solar beam
flamethrower
focus blast
defog

lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:20:39 No.26827888 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823273
Head Smash Geodude
Head Smash Rhyhorn
Head Smash Onix
Head Smash Nosepass
Head Smash Aerodactyl it fucking learns Iron Head naturally why the fucking fuck doesn't it fucking get fucking Head Smash, fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:21:30 No.26827896 Report

Quoted By: >>26827919

Stealth Rocks removed from the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:21:30 No.26827897 Report

Quoted By: >>26827915

>>26827880
>taking 50% damage just to clean rocks

Now I can confidently say you're a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:23:40 No.26827915 Report

Quoted By: >>26828007 >>26830600

>>26827897
>get me to 50%
>get swept by flamethrower/solar beam
nice try, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:23:51 No.26827919 Report

Quoted By: >>26827957

>>26827896
Fuck that.
Stealth Rocks learned exclusively by Rock-type Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:25:30 No.26827925 Report

Quoted By:

>>26827842
Eh, weakness policy dragonite is still as memey as it always was. Sometimes it works, but overall, it's still very obvious and the switch is incredibly broadcast. Classic dragonite builds offer you a lot more in higher rankings. It's fine for climbing through the retard mine fields I guess.

Most popular dragonite core I see is with MDiancie and Mew after some guy did a big write up about it, iirc. I haven't used it myself, but it's a great core from the games I've had against it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:29:03 No.26827957 Report

Quoted By: >>26827977

>>26827919
ttar and terrakion on every team

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:30:02 No.26827969 Report

Quoted By:

Scizor/Gliscor learn crab hammer.

Also a steel type status called Rust. Decreases enemy evasion and does damage comparable to Infestation. However, as a trade-off, the status is eliminated if the afflicted opponent switches out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:30:38 No.26827977 Report

Quoted By:

>>26827957
Both have seven weaknesses and Tyranitar is best Pokemon so it's okay.
>yfw Terrakion hasn't even been OU in years

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 01:33:31 No.26828007 Report

Quoted By:

>>26827915
>charizard Y
>sweeping

Not with Talonflame anon

1693-1993-6852

1693-1993-6852 Wed 22 Jun 2016 04:02:57 No.26829430 Report

Quoted By:

>>26824632
Haxorus has poison jab. With the right IV's and a choice scarf it's pretty good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 06:30:27 No.26830600 Report

Quoted By: >>26830654 >>26830719

>>26827915
>Flamethrower/Solar Beam

One Brave Bird would do 71% of max health MINIMUM. Charizard would be KO before flamethrower or Solar Beam could think about connecting. Even if you switched in on a Talonflame who was going to use Roost you wouldn't be able to 2HKO it before it 2HKO you.

Someone do the math on that for me. I'm on mobile right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 06:37:05 No.26830654 Report

Quoted By: >>26830688

>>26830600
>sweep team until talon flame
>switch to suicune
>he has to switch, or get scald to death

Simple

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 06:41:12 No.26830688 Report

Quoted By: >>26830732

>>26830654
Scald wouldn't 2HKO before Talonflame could 2HKO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 06:45:48 No.26830719 Report

Quoted By: >>26830737 >>26830765

>>26830600
>Stealth Rock triggering Weakness Policy
+2 252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame in Sun: 348-409 (117.1 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Without Weakness Policy
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame in Sun: 174-205 (58.5 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 211-249 (71 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Weakness Policy ChazY Flamethrower would one shot Talonflame. Fuck all that would do for Charizard since Talonflame still kills you before you can do anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 06:47:31 No.26830732 Report

Quoted By: >>26830765

>>26830688
my suicune has rest and sleep talk. im good.

Talonflame is fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 06:47:57 No.26830737 Report

Quoted By:

>>26830719
> MEGA charizard y
> holding weakness policy
breh...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 06:52:00 No.26830765 Report

Quoted By: >>26830773

>>26830732
Not sure if bait.

>>26830719
Definitely bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 06:53:15 No.26830773 Report

Quoted By: >>26830779

>>26830765
how many times do you think you can use brave bird in a row?

you people think this shit is invincible. I swear

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 06:53:49 No.26830779 Report

Quoted By: >>26830801

>>26830773
What is Roost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 06:56:40 No.26830801 Report

Quoted By: >>26830879

>>26830779
sorry, not enough. ill win that breakdown every time.

super effective scald vs roost, lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 06:58:12 No.26830819 Report

Quoted By: >>26830869

>>26823783
It isn't necessarily Gale Wings that makes it good though; I've accidentally played with a Flame Body Talonflame and gone three or four games before noticing, because 126 base speed is enough that, apart from other priority or trick room, the +1 priority very rarely matters.

The problem is that it's much faster than any other Brave Bird user other than Crobat, and gets a secondary typing that covers flying's resistances well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:04:02 No.26830869 Report

Quoted By:

>>26830819
126 is literally 1 point off my weavile, but gale wings is important, cause i rely on false slap. with that single point advantage in speed, talonflame renders my priority weavile pointless

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:05:07 No.26830879 Report

Quoted By: >>26830919

>>26830801
It's a 3HKO with Scald. Minimum. No questions asked. That's assuming you get the drop on him. Switching in on a brave bird with the pebbles active ( no team in the current meta doest have a hazard setter leading unless they are you or retarded) is gonna hurt. Then there is no guarantee sleep talk will pick scald unless you only have 3 moves and then it's still 50/50.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:06:02 No.26830885 Report

Quoted By: >>26830948

>>26827668
>Makes a post about 252 atk tflame.
>Proceeds to use calcs showing that the only way that tflame can survive a scald from suicune is 252hp/252+sdef
God damn /vp/. Git fucking Gud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:10:01 No.26830919 Report

Quoted By: >>26830965

>>26830879
>It's a 3HKO with Scald.
total bs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:13:14 No.26830943 Report

Quoted By:

Bonemerang hitting flying types

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:13:50 No.26830948 Report

Quoted By:

>>26830885
I specifically mentioned that Suicune is a viable pokemon against Talonflame, but it gets absolutely shat on by the specially defensive taunt set, which it fucking does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:16:57 No.26830965 Report

Quoted By: >>26830979

>>26830919
As for Suicune, it's the best option you have, but specially defensive taunt Talonflame still beats it. Suicune can't 2HKO with scald.
0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Talonflame: 144-170 (40.1 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Talonflame uses Bulk Up on its free turns. Suicine can't rest because of Taunt. Please shut up, you dumb nigger.
Specially defensive talonflame is one of the most common talonflame sets. Honestly neck yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:18:55 No.26830979 Report

Quoted By: >>26831001

>>26830965
That's if he can get past my dugtrios stealth rock, which he is 4x weak to.

clown.

i swear you are like a born loser. no imagination. very sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:23:20 No.26831001 Report

Quoted By: >>26831014

>>26830979
>a talonflame with absolutely zero defog support on his team

Hey by the way, if your dugtrio switched in at some point to set rocks, then it probably took entry hazard damage which broke the focus sash since your shit team does not have a defogger despite having multiple crippling rock weaknesses. Oh wait, your x4 rock weak weakness policy charizard has defog, lmao. It's gonna have a lot of healthy switch in opportunities for sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:24:35 No.26831014 Report

Quoted By: >>26831053 >>26831066

>>26831001
dugtrio leads

try and stop me, bitch. youre literally wrong every time lmao. youre playing chinese checkers while im playing 3d chess

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:30:50 No.26831053 Report

Quoted By:

>>26831014
Your team blows in general so chill out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:32:04 No.26831066 Report

Quoted By: >>26831157

>>26831014
The infamous leading dugtrio that only sets rocks, can't set up on defensive leads because it has no set up outside of rocks so the arena trap goes to waste, has a 50/50 chance of being outright killed by what it traps because it's not controlling what it's coming in on.
So again, your dugtrio sets rocks and you're forced to switch out because dugtrio can't touch their Landorus-T that's currently swords dancing in its face.
You are absolutely ignorant of the concept of momentum.

>youre playing chinese checkers while im playing 3d chess
You haven't posted a single calc. A single realistic situation. Your garbage might work on the playground or in battlespot but please, please try it anywhere above 1400. No, anywhere above even lobotomy level 1300s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:47:05 No.26831157 Report

Quoted By:

>>26831066
I will resign to the idea that if you want to beat me, you have to use gay pokemon like Landorus-T and Talonflame together on the same team

still a victory in my book

haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:51:01 No.26831179 Report

Quoted By: >>26831192

Was it worth it, /vp/? Did you gain some small satisfaction of arguing with a brick wall?
I think you wasted your time, you're as pathetic as he is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 07:52:33 No.26831192 Report

Quoted By: >>26831386

>>26831179
A brick wall?

Let me guess, Landorus and Talonflame just HAPPEN to be your team, right? You use them all the time?

lmao

I'd bet a billion of my own dollars that you don't use either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 08:12:16 No.26831324 Report

Quoted By: >>26831338 >>26831787

I don't understand that in the era of many physical mons with great abilities, Cofagrigus is not more employed.

It even has access to toxic spikes and can't be rapid spin'd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 08:13:57 No.26831335 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823273

Thank God you'll never be in charge of making the games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 08:15:14 No.26831338 Report

Quoted By:

>>26831324
No recovery besides Pain Split.
That's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 08:24:49 No.26831386 Report

Quoted By:

>>26831192
Either this is

Not knowing the meta: the Post

Or

Super bait to the max: the Post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 09:50:14 No.26831751 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823273
Fiery Dance Lilligant

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 09:56:12 No.26831779 Report

Quoted By:

>>26824244

Sandslash, Marowak, Klinklang, Excadrill, M-Altaria.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 09:58:19 No.26831787 Report

Quoted By:

>>26831324
If it learned Recover it'd be amazing, but no, it doesn't.
And here is the story of most steel and ghost types.
Take your pain split and love it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 10:00:19 No.26831794 Report

Quoted By:

>Sp. Attack version of Swords Dance
>Poison (not toxic) cuts Sp. Attack in half

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 10:04:54 No.26831813 Report

Quoted By:

Extreme speed Salamance
Flamerthrower Greninja
Bravebird Landerous

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 10:06:38 No.26831821 Report

Quoted By:

>>26824498
>Water and fire will never get nerfed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 10:08:29 No.26831825 Report

Quoted By:

>>26824744
Fangs and stingers you dip

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 10:09:45 No.26831827 Report

Quoted By: >>26832425

>>26824958
>Shadowtag Chandelure
Chandelure doesn't have the bulk or speed to back this up :_:

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 10:12:39 No.26831834 Report

Quoted By:

>>26827196
>not poison\dark

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 10:51:10 No.26831942 Report

Quoted By: >>26832118

>things that need to happen
I want a grass gym in SM, and in that gym I want a youngster who uses a sudowoodo. When you beat him he should be shocked to learn that it's not a grass type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 11:33:30 No.26832097 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823875
Yeah the complainer forgot to mention priority team doubling speed. Tailwind the shit! Talonflame is a great mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 11:42:12 No.26832118 Report

Quoted By:

>>26831942
>Water gym
>Trainer has Stunfisk Dragonair and Malimar
>They're not water

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 12:55:58 No.26832425 Report

Quoted By:

>>26831827
You're wrong, anon.
I'd wager that Chandelure would be overpowered with Shadow Tag.

Remember that Gothitelle is the reason Shadow Tag was banned, and it's a shitmon without it. Chandelure is at least UU without it, and can reliably run more sets than just trapping.

Let's compare Gothitelle and Chandelure.
- Gothitelle's biggest advantages are its better bulk, less weaknesses, Tickle, Thunder wave and PSYSHOCK.
- Chandelure's biggest advantages are its higher Speed, its HUGE immediate power, much better offensive typing, Will O Wisp and two type immunities.

- Both can run a ScarfTrick set to cripple walls, and Chandelure's speed means little here.
- Both can run a Calm Mind/Rest set, with Tickle/Will o Wisp to cripple physical attackers. Chandelure loses to Fire-types, Gothitelle probably loses to Swords Dancers. They each have a niche here.

+6 Psyshock does around 70% to Chansey, while +6 Flamethrower only does approximately 41-50%, so you need to Burn it to smash through Chansey as Chandelure. On the other hand, Psyshock is then stopped by physical walls, so Chandelure wins this one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 14:22:04 No.26832867 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823948
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 14:36:50 No.26832945 Report

Quoted By:

>>26823273
Quiver dance Roserade. If that cheap knockoff Lilligant gets it why not the original?

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