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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:01:01 No.26833455 View View Reply Original Report

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How do we stop the decline in Pokemon Games?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:02:23 No.26833468 Report

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>>26833455
Remakes are doing even worse? I thought people wanted these two with better graphics, why did they sold less than the main line?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:03:06 No.26833472 Report

Quoted By: >>26833583

>appealing to newer audiences doesn't work
>appealing to genwunners doesn't either
Its a lost cause at this point.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:03:21 No.26833477 Report

Quoted By: >>26833502 >>26833506 >>26833517 >>26833538 >>26833950 >>26835295 >>26836873

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:04:21 No.26833483 Report

Quoted By: >>26833661

Stop the decline of handhelds or go F2P mobile

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:06:11 No.26833502 Report

Quoted By: >>26833523

>>26833477
what does this prove?
metacritic scores =/= sales or profits

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:07:01 No.26833506 Report

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>>26833477
Not only are these scores irrelevant, they're also massively wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:07:03 No.26833507 Report

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>>26833468
Remakes also require far fewer production resources to make, since they recycle a lot of assets and don't require things like conceptualizing new Pokemon or region designs. They keep making them because the profit ratio is good, despite selling less overall.

Also, HGSS were notoriously underprinted because of the Pokewalker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:08:21 No.26833517 Report

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>>26833477
When did people start caring about fucking reviews? They were always cancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:08:27 No.26833519 Report

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>>26833455
Retcon Chesnaught. People don't want to play a game where an abomination like that exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:08:50 No.26833523 Report

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>>26833502
Sales arent based on the quality of games, tard
Pokemon games have always sold less for each generation as time passed by since the end of the pokemania

SM could be the best games ever, they'd still sell less than the previous ones

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:10:36 No.26833538 Report

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>>26833455
>>26833477
These don't mean shit.
Of course X and Y sold less than previous games.
The previous games have been out for years.
Also on the review score. The longer a games been out the more reviews it gets effecting the overall score.

If you can show an overall sales number for period of time, say for example, total sales within a year period of release, then you would have something to compare.

>>26833468
On this though, eh lots of people aren't fans of remakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:10:46 No.26833540 Report

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Other game franchises suffered worse declines.

Pokemon is actually doing pretty well whose gameplay has become stagnant.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:11:09 No.26833545 Report

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>>26833523
post yfw pokemon dies

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:11:44 No.26833550 Report

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>>26833468
Probably because fans want them and not casual players. I get turned off of remakes of games that I've never played before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:12:13 No.26833557 Report

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>>26833506
Opinion

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:12:25 No.26833560 Report

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>>26833455
XY are the best selling 3DS games you fucking idiot. Also the DS sold more thn the 3DS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:12:56 No.26833565 Report

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>>26833455
You make the games more and more approachable for casuals so today's kids can play it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:14:07 No.26833576 Report

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>>26833560
friendly reminder that gen 5 is the worst selling gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:15:11 No.26833583 Report

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>>26833472
>dampening the quality of the game with the excuse "its for children!" and "muh smurtpherns"
>sales decline
It's a lost cause unless they finally break free of this failed misconception that easier = more sales

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:15:24 No.26833587 Report

Quoted By: >>26833614

>>26833576
But it isn't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:16:16 No.26833601 Report

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>>26833455
By not buying them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:17:13 No.26833614 Report

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>>26833587
It is. B/W sold 15~ mil and B/W2 sold 8~mil = 23 mil

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:17:56 No.26833620 Report

Quoted By: >>26833650

>>26833614
Are we counting remakes? If so, are we also counting spinoffs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:19:52 No.26833639 Report

Quoted By: >>26833768

>>26833614
>gen 5 sold less than gen 6
UNOVA FAGS BTFO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:21:20 No.26833650 Report

Quoted By: >>26833659

>>26833620
>Are we counting remakes?
Yes.
>If so, are we also counting spinoffs?
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:22:22 No.26833659 Report

Quoted By: >>26833669

>>26833650
Why not? They are part of the generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:22:45 No.26833661 Report

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>>26833483
If think you misspelled "massively correct"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:23:30 No.26833669 Report

Quoted By: >>26833683

>>26833659
I'm talking about main series and not some spinoffs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:25:05 No.26833678 Report

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>>26833468
selling remakes is actually more lucrative. it costs much less to produce because the devs are using a graphics engine that is already in place, and don't have to create new concepts or new pokemon, just recycle what's already there and reap up a larger profit margin even if sales are not quite up to snuff with mainline titles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:25:35 No.26833683 Report

Quoted By: >>26833721

>>26833669
In that case BW sold better than XY.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:26:09 No.26833691 Report

Quoted By: >>26833738

>>26833468
Well, you have to consider that the DS sold a lot more units than the 3DS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:27:17 No.26833703 Report

Quoted By: >>26836136

>>26833455
Do something different to actually attract more people. Pokemon is known for being the same thing over and over. But the issue seems to be that the game play is boring, repetitive and simplistic. Basically turn base sucks ass. Even South Park moved away from it.

Another reason is its 3DS exclusive while most games that sell large amounts are multiplat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:27:24 No.26833705 Report

Quoted By: >>26833786

>>26833455
XY sold better than BW, it just hasn't been out as long

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:28:29 No.26833721 Report

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>>26833683
No shit dude. Gen 5 still sold less than gen 6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:29:25 No.26833729 Report

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>>26833468
That's still a fuckload of sales for pretty graphics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:30:26 No.26833738 Report

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>>26833691
Nevermind this post. I thought you asked why HGSS sold more then ORAS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:33:31 No.26833768 Report

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>>26833639
>sales = quality

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:34:38 No.26833778 Report

Quoted By: >>26836309

>>26833455
DS Install Base: 150m
3DS Install Base: 60m

Hmm

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:35:39 No.26833784 Report

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>>26833455
Decline of what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:35:46 No.26833786 Report

Quoted By: >>26833815

>>26833705
BW sold better than DP, it just hasn't been out as long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:38:59 No.26833815 Report

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>>26833786
For one, DP still sold faster on average than BW. There also comes a time when games stop being made, right now XY is still in production and can be purchased on the eshop

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:46:19 No.26833872 Report

Quoted By: >>26833916 >>26835382 >>26835508

>>26833455
it has more to do with DS/3DS sales than the Pokémon franchise itself.

the DS sold 150 million units, with 17 million DP sales, just above 10% of DS owners were playing Gen 4, give or take.

with 60 million 3DS sales, and around 15 million XY sales, that's a whopping 25% of 3DS owners playing Pokémon.

Pokémon's pretty safe in its position as the 2nd most profitable IP in Nintendo's grasp, only beat by Mario. So I'd peg the decline in Pokémon sales to the 3DS' limitations itself, rather than the game's content or interest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:50:36 No.26833916 Report

Quoted By: >>26834102

>>26833872
Stop trying to make excuses, we both know it's the same 15~ million people buying the games every time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:51:36 No.26833921 Report

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>>26833455
U mean nintendo games

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 16:54:52 No.26833950 Report

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>>26833477
We're talking about the decline in popularity this time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 17:00:17 No.26833991 Report

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those 3ds games dont include digital sales. Its much higher

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 17:12:40 No.26834102 Report

Quoted By: >>26834111 >>26834143

>>26833916
except not?

There's plenty of new children who buy the current generation as their first games, and plenty of old pokemon fans who have just moved on from the whole thing. I know I left Pokémon during Mid-Gen 3, skipped 4 and 5, and came back for XY.

Pokémon isn't mean for "the same 15 million people" it's meant for little kids to pick up and play out the gate as well as the veteran fans who have been here for 10+ years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 17:13:54 No.26834111 Report

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>>26834102
>responding to sarcasm

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 17:17:13 No.26834143 Report

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>>26834102
Pokemon is more popular with older fans than kids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:21:21 No.26835295 Report

Quoted By: >>26835352

>>26833477
Actually Black is rated 87, this is fake

Also Diamond is rated higher than platinum

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:28:07 No.26835352 Report

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>>26835295
Also if you think DP is better or close to Platinum you need to leave this board

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:32:14 No.26835382 Report

Quoted By: >>26836302

>muh decline
SECOND.
LARGEST.
GAME FRANCHISE.
EVER.

Why do people keep acting like Pokemon is dying? It's the biggest motherfucker in the world behind Mario, and by far the baddest bitch on handhelds. By FAR. It's not going anywhere.

Also, >>26833872 is worth consideration. Console game sales as a whole have been declining in recent years thanks to the mobile games, and before that it was affected by Steam, PC returning as a popular medium, the Indie bubble, all sorts of shit.

Pokemon is as strong as ever.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:41:51 No.26835477 Report

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>>26833506
>/vp/'s scores
>any more relevant than their scores

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:43:35 No.26835491 Report

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>>26835477
Besides that the score up there, some of them a lies

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:43:49 No.26835492 Report

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>>26833455
Make a better game. They actually have to try now that other franchises have figured out handheld gaming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:45:15 No.26835508 Report

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>>26833872
exactly

it comes down to who owns the consoles/console sales

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:46:03 No.26835514 Report

Quoted By: >>26835538

>>26833576
Wasn't it also the only Gen which had a game with a maximum Famitsu score?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:46:08 No.26835515 Report

Quoted By: >>26835552

>>26833455
>tfw had to sell my copies of Black, Black2 and Platinum to pay off a bill that I couldn't 100% cover while I job hunt

Feels bad meng...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:48:24 No.26835538 Report

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>>26835514
Yes but iirc XY was a 39 which means it was barely a point worse than BW and BW2 was like 37 or something so it was better than BW2

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:50:09 No.26835552 Report

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>>26835515
Ouch......

There's always emulators man. Doing any better on bills?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 19:50:30 No.26835554 Report

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>>26833455
Make games that appeal to the people with money not their dumb kids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 20:38:12 No.26836074 Report

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>>26833455
>DP out for 10 years
>BW out for 6 years
>XY out for 3 years
Of course the older games have sold more you fucking dumbass, they've been out for far more years.
>>26833468
ORAS has only been out for 2 years and it has sold almost as much as a game that is almost 7 years old. The series is doing fine sales-wise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 20:38:55 No.26836085 Report

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>>26835477
Yeah the board dedicated to pokemon has a more valid opinion than metacritic

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 20:43:08 No.26836136 Report

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>>26833703
>even south park
What does that mean. South Park rehashes the same jokes instead of doing something different

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 20:48:57 No.26836187 Report

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Maybe if GameFreak put out quality games the sales wouldn't dip. Not rocket science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 20:52:37 No.26836218 Report

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>>26833455
Bitch about it, bitch about it a lot.
Seriously, if all of /vp/ raided masudas twitter, I am sure he would end up making a decent game.
It works for a bunch of fat women that want to insert their weight in imaginary characters, so why wouldn't it work for a bunch of autistic man-children like us?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 20:54:11 No.26836230 Report

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>>26833455
decline your age

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 21:00:55 No.26836302 Report

Quoted By: >>26836377

>>26835382
>Pokemon is as strong as ever
You can't seriously believe this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 21:01:42 No.26836309 Report

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>>26833778
DS had way more games. Sadly phones came to be

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 21:01:48 No.26836312 Report

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>>26833455
Open up the game to new areas of the world and that is exactly what they're planning to do in China

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 21:07:40 No.26836377 Report

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>>26836302
it is though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jun 2016 21:56:48 No.26836873 Report

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>>26833477
Whoever rated these clearly just rated them from a singular perspective, instead of comparing them to eachother

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