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Smogon bashing thread

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 03:28:27 No.26878077 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>26878118 >>26878137 >>26878515 >>26878740 >>26878857 >>26878872 >>26879023 >>26879057 >>26880956

>they tried to ban scald
>they banned Mega Rayquaza of fucking Uber
>they banned aegislash and Greninja
>they tier is based at usage
>they have the mentality of "why should I adapt when I can just ban"
>They can discard your opinion just because you are using a non standard set
>They have a God complex
>They have allergy for originality
>They are a bunch of fucking scrubs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 03:30:19 No.26878099 Report

Quoted By: >>26878945

Please enjoy VCG and the same 10 mon on every team. Tiers have a purpose you know

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 03:34:34 No.26878118 Report

Quoted By: >>26878142 >>26878382 >>26878572 >>26879133

>>26878077
>They tried to ban scald
They should have
>Banning Mega Fug
What's the point of the meta game with somthing that can beat almost anything
>Banned Aegislash and Greninja
Wanting to play Kings Shield or not the whole match and getting swept by stab everything
>Tier based on usage
How is this a problem
>Why adapt when you can ban
I literally cannot argue against this
>Standard sets thay anyone can use makes you an expert player
This is also true

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 03:37:05 No.26878137 Report

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>>26878077
it's not smogon fault that GF can't balance the meta
>your favorite pokemon is weak
>GF: you got bad luck
>Smogon: don't worry, your bro can be useful in a lower tier
also, you can always play AG

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 03:38:23 No.26878142 Report

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>>26878118
I agree with Greninja ban after ORAS, but the aegi was kinda sketchy

Quag is almost a hard counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:02:36 No.26878382 Report

Quoted By: >>26878493

>>26878118
>Tier based on usage
How is this a problem

Because this gives an illusion that just because a certain pokemon is not used often this mean he is bad and if a pokemon is used a lot of times this mean that he is too good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:10:52 No.26878476 Report

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Now we wait for talonflame ban, please oh lord ban that broken piece of hell

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:12:45 No.26878493 Report

Quoted By: >>26878554

>>26878382
But if a pokemon is not used often that is typically because they are bad and if a pokemon is used often that is typically because they are good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:13:25 No.26878502 Report

Quoted By: >>26878573

I didn't know verlisify was on here

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:15:04 No.26878515 Report

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>>26878077
I've never noticed how similar Smogon's emblem looks to a tiger in tumbmail-form.
>Art when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:17:47 No.26878540 Report

Quoted By: >>26878618

the only ban I disagree with is the General Shadow Tag ban and the Aegislash Ban.

Aegislash was only hard to counter if you were a reckless player. You could easily WoW the pokemon crippling it, then send in the quagsire which just eats it up. It wasn't hard to play the meta until now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:20:18 No.26878554 Report

Quoted By: >>26878592 >>26878597

>>26878493
>But if a pokemon is not used often that is typically because they are bad and if a pokemon is used often that is typically because they are good.

Quagsire is in NU what means that he is not used very often, howerever he do a great job in OU; and aegislash was used very often in OU and they ban him, horever a lot of pokemon can deal with him, even low-tier pokemon like Quaqsire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:22:14 No.26878572 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878118
>he doesnt know how to hard counter/check mega fug

git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:22:18 No.26878573 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878502
>I didn't know verlisify was on here

Verlisify is already irrelevant at this point

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:23:53 No.26878592 Report

Quoted By: >>26878700

>>26878554
Quagsire was actually moved up to OU not too long ago. Ironically, I beleive it's getting more usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:24:31 No.26878597 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878554
Quagsire is OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:26:31 No.26878618 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878540
>burning a special attacker
>quagsire countering aegislash

252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Quagsire: 117-138 (57.9 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

I'm against the Aegislash ban too, but come on dude at least pretend to know what you're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:30:22 No.26878666 Report

Quoted By: >>26878698

Why was Mawile banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:33:41 No.26878698 Report

Quoted By: >>26878738

>>26878666
greta type and huge power

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:33:49 No.26878700 Report

Quoted By: >>26878732 >>26878895

>>26878592
>Quagsire was actually moved up to OU not too long ago. Ironically, I beleive it's getting more usage.

I see, howerever just the fact that this pokemon was placed in NU just because he was not used very often is a indication that have a tier based in how much a pokemon is used will lead at bad ideas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:34:55 No.26878714 Report

Quoted By: >>26878769

>Swagger ban
>wahh my pokemon is confused and it now has a power boost!

lmao fucking pathetic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:37:26 No.26878732 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878700
Its not perfect, but it's a pretty good system.
How else would you tier Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:37:50 No.26878738 Report

Quoted By: >>26878792 >>26880953

>>26878698
It's really slow and has lots of counters though.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:37:53 No.26878740 Report

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>>26878077
Who cares its a bunch if autistic neckbeards who have no power over you nor the official rules of pokemon.

Just laugh at them and forget that they exist. I forgot them for years now until you reminded me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:39:37 No.26878757 Report

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They should have kept the ability+mon bans. I want to use my bro blaziken in NU/UU even if is just with Blaze.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:40:43 No.26878769 Report

Quoted By: >>26880747

>>26878714
It was swagplay, not swagger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:44:16 No.26878792 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878738
well yes, but mawile is 'overcentralizing the metagame'

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:52:17 No.26878854 Report

Quoted By: >>26878876

>They will never fucking ban Thunder Wave
WHY?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:52:41 No.26878857 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878077
I didn't agree with this until stall became the priority for bans. Hard stall is way too easy to use with threats to stall leaving as the pop up. Ban votes stopped going to meta health and started going to banning the threats to the qualifying players' teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:54:32 No.26878872 Report

Quoted By: >>26878897

>>26878077
>>They can discard your opinion just because you are using a non standard set
>>They have allergy for originality

no. They encourage originality. Most people just don't like it when people suggest gimmicky bullshit that isn't actually viable and only worked in their situational ELO hell replay.

I saw a Slaking/Lopunny combo team that was praised on Smogon as well as one that actually made Shedinja look viable in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:55:13 No.26878876 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878854
Why are you so shit at video games

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:55:59 No.26878881 Report

Quoted By: >>26878936

Wasn't Aegislash hard checked by Mega Sableye?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:58:18 No.26878895 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878700
for every one pokemon in a tier that doesn't reflect its utility there are 50 that are

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:58:23 No.26878897 Report

Quoted By: >>26879104

>>26878872
Why are you under the impression that anyone in /vp/ has ever been to smogon, played the meta or know about them aside from meme threads like this one?

Remember, /vp/ is shit for competitive, and most are loud and angry scrubs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 04:58:30 No.26878899 Report

Quoted By: >>26878912

the only smogon thing i dont agree with is swagger/swagplay ban. you can literally just switch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:01:21 No.26878912 Report

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>>26878899
Swagger can be applied again and again. You can't just keep switching forever, that doesn't accomplish anything other than gradually killing yourself on entry hazards.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:04:20 No.26878936 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878881
>wanting mega sableye on MORE teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:05:14 No.26878945 Report

Quoted By: >>26878954 >>26878968 >>26879000 >>26879001

>>26878099
I can name more than 20 mons that do well in VGC. You just see the same 10 mons because people these days are not very creative with their teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:06:44 No.26878954 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878945
Do it for vgc 2016

It's a fucking mess with 12 mons max

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:08:31 No.26878968 Report

Quoted By: >>26879085

>>26878945
>>26878945
Take a look at the winning teams of VCG, it's all the same

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:13:36 No.26879000 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878945
Do it then faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:13:47 No.26879001 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878945
You do know that both Mega Kang and Lando are literally both on 30%+ one of them being on 40% teams on battle spot singles right? Any ranked metagame is exactly the same the best are used because they're easy to win with, special snowflakes rarely appear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:18:23 No.26879023 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878077
>they banned Mega Rayquaza of fucking Uber

The thing literally went 180 both attack stats with 2+ priority and dragon dance

Nothing couldn't be 2HKO'ed and lost its flying weaknesses too

Don't forget hold item and new stab close combat

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:22:57 No.26879057 Report

Quoted By: >>26879068

>>26878077
while i can accept a fair few of their bans, i'll never get the greninja ban, seriously, it hits hard, but if it's not a super effective hit, you'll mostly be fine, whereas greninja itself has paper defences, and is easily dispatched even by nve moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:24:26 No.26879068 Report

Quoted By: >>26879119

>>26879057
What doesn't it cover through anon?
Ferrothorn+Clefable were counters but gunk shot+low kick tutors

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:27:40 No.26879085 Report

Quoted By: >>26879195 >>26880990 >>26881003

>>26878968
>Take a look at the winning teams of VCG, it's all the same

Take a look at the winning teams of OU, it's all the same

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:29:45 No.26879104 Report

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>>26878897
>Remember, /vp/ is shit for competitive, and most are loud and angry scrubs.

This is funny, because you basically describe the majority of the smogon community!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:32:03 No.26879119 Report

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>>26879068
>What doesn't it cover through anon?
almost any bulky water type for one thing, and yes i know about grass knot, the one problem is that everyone always said it countered everything, like you said
>low kick
>gunk shot
>grass knot
>ice beam
but for some reason noone thought about the fact that this would fuck over the movesets, and everyone assumed greninja would have tese moves and still have max attack, sp attack and speed, not realizing that to have an effective gunk shot / low kick on greninja you'd have to sacrifice sp attack or speed, and so Greninja would have to suffer in order to have max coverage, yet noone thought of this so it was banned due to everyone assuming it had max speed/sp attack/attack,

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:33:51 No.26879133 Report

Quoted By:

>>26878118
>>They tried to ban scald
>They should have

Why do you want to Scald be banned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:42:48 No.26879195 Report

Quoted By:

>>26879085
At least with Smogon, you actually have the choice to play something that isn't OU. With VGC, it's either cookiecutter, or you lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 05:43:09 No.26879199 Report

Quoted By: >>26879392

Honest to God question, who are these people? Why do people care so much about what they say? Do they have any pull in official stuff or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 06:12:54 No.26879392 Report

Quoted By:

>>26879199
Majority of People dont care. Just a few autistics care and thats about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 12:22:08 No.26880747 Report

Quoted By: >>26880768

>>26878769

if swagplay is so good, why nobody on vgc uses it? GF don´t adopt smogon rules?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 12:28:51 No.26880768 Report

Quoted By: >>26880830

>>26880747
For one, VGC is doubles, so swagplay doesn't work quite as well. However, people definitely do use swagger. Most Thundurus carry it, since a 45% chance to prevent an opponent from moving is too good to pass up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 12:42:43 No.26880830 Report

Quoted By: >>26880870

>>26880768
>However, people definitely do use swagger. Most Thundurus carry it
http://jake-white.github.io/Battlespotspecial/
>11.7% swagger usage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 12:52:00 No.26880870 Report

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>>26880830
Fair enough, taunt is more important this season because of Xerneas and Smeargle, so I guess people don't have room for swagger any more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 13:09:42 No.26880953 Report

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>>26878738
counters arent the same as checks

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Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 13:11:22 No.26880956 Report

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>>26878077
>they tried to ban scald
There was a thread suggesting the possibility and it was ignored. There wasn't even a suspect.

>they banned Mega Rayquaza of fucking Uber
If Mega Fug wasn't ridiculously broken do you think it would have been banned from the format for broken shit?

>they banned aegislash and Greninja
We've been over these bans a gorillion times. In short, Aegislash is broken because it shuts out too many Pokémon and OU is healthier without it, Greninja has STAB on everything and has no real counters and scarce checks.

>they tier is based at usage
How would you tier things, then?

>they have the mentality of "why should I adapt when I can just ban"
Untrue. Things are banned not because of not being able to adapt to them, but being FORCED to be able to handle that one threat or lose.

>They can discard your opinion just because you are using a non standard set
Has to do with bad sportsmanship, not Smogon itself.

>They have a God complex
Has to do with bad sportsmanship, not Smogon itself

>They have allergy for originality
This doesn't mean anything.

>They are a bunch of fucking scrubs
t. 1100

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 13:19:23 No.26880990 Report

Quoted By:

>>26879085
then don't play OU that's the fucking point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 13:22:12 No.26881003 Report

Quoted By:

>>26879085
>I don't understand the tier system that is completely optional so I am going to create an entire thread dedicated to bashing a place for discussing competitive Pokemon

Nice thread OP

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Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 13:36:28 No.26881067 Report

Quoted By: >>26881083

Why ban M-Mawile?
Just ban the mega if he have the move Sucker Punch.

Why ban Blaziken Speed Boost?
Just ban the Pokemon if he have a boost move with speed bost.

Why ban Aegislash ?
Just ban the Pokemon if he have an overused Item.

Why ban Ice type Arceus ?

Why ban Genesect when Landorus-T is not ? (and why this one is not ban yet ? at least with an overused item)

Why Greninja is ban ?
Just ban the pokemon if he have an overused item.

etc...

So many possibilities, but so many restrictions, why ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jun 2016 13:39:22 No.26881083 Report

Quoted By:

>>26881067
What the duck are you on about

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