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>>26924127
50% Zygarde has 31HP IV in the trailer by the way, which means Perfect Zygarde has 216 base HP. And it will most likely have slighly buffed defenses as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2016 23:58:08 No.26924161 Report

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>>26924127
without EV training, that exceeds Wobbuffet...fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2016 23:58:45 No.26924169 Report

Quoted By: >>26924225

>>26924149
>slightly
this thing is going to have at least 800 BST to make up for its form change requirements

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2016 23:58:46 No.26924170 Report

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>>26924127
See GF this is how you make Darmanitan Zen Mode properly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:00:32 No.26924190 Report

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Give it max speed/hp evs with weakness policy
Survives a SE move.
Sweep everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:02:55 No.26924212 Report

Quoted By: >>26924407

If all stats double:

HP 216
Atk 200
Def 242
SpA 162
SpD 190
Spe 190

For a total of 1200 BST, pls John t. Gamefreak, make it happen!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:03:39 No.26924225 Report

Quoted By: >>26924236 >>26924338

>>26924169
That's no surprise, with the doubling of HP it should at least have 708 base stats compared to 50% form. But it will have increased stats for sure. Maybe its Tretta stats could mean something, it has slightly more stats than Mega Rayqyuaza.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:04:41 No.26924236 Report

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>>26924225

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:07:12 No.26924270 Report

Quoted By: >>26924337 >>26924339

>>26924127
>yfw it gets Recover

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:11:15 No.26924337 Report

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>>26924270
It doesn't need it. Just Sub+Coil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:11:17 No.26924338 Report

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>>26924225
>>26924236
Without counting the energy Mega Rayquaza has 914 total stats, Zygarde has 1388.
If you make the proportion with 780 you find 1184.
FUCK Zygarde 100% will have 1200 BTS

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:11:19 No.26924339 Report

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>>26924270
>tfw you can play 50% Zygarde Rest/Sleep Talk like you normally would but with broken ability to make it an unstoppable tank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:11:38 No.26924343 Report

Quoted By: >>26924364 >>26924404 >>26924407

>>26924127
Assuming it has the same defenses at Zygarde 50% and gets back to full health somehow...
>4 SpA Life Orb Mega Rayquaza Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde: 640-751 (111.6 - 131%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Oh well...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:13:18 No.26924364 Report

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>>26924343
But Mega Rayquaza might be one of the only counters to it, most other physical attackers will fail to take it out in one hit if it manages to recover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:16:38 No.26924404 Report

Quoted By: >>26924449

>>26924343
Why would Zygarde not be running bulk, though?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:16:50 No.26924407 Report

Quoted By: >>26924449

>>26924343
Not if it actually has >>26924212 >>26924338
these stats (216HP/190SpD)

>4 SpA Life Orb Mega Rayquaza Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde: 354-416 (62 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:19:15 No.26924440 Report

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But what happens when it get Core Enforcer? Will it be a 5th move or will a certain move slot move be temporarily be replaced?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:19:38 No.26924444 Report

Quoted By: >>26924480

It would have made more sense for it to be a Slow Start-esque ability where it takes a few turns for him to gather all the cells together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:19:54 No.26924449 Report

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>>26924407
>>26924404
Shit, my bad. And that doesn't even consider possible improved defenses when going 100%.

Off to AG it goes...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:22:17 No.26924480 Report

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>>26924444
Not really, in the anime Zygarde Core transforms based on how much it is in danger.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:28:15 No.26924557 Report

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EVEN MORE PERFECT!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:40:07 No.26924705 Report

Quoted By: >>26924747 >>26924755

What ability do you all think 100% Zygarde will have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:45:28 No.26924747 Report

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>>26924705
aura break/auto gravity

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:46:36 No.26924755 Report

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>>26924705
Do we have any reason to assume swarmchange, the ability it uses to change forms in the first place, changes for some reason when it hits 100%?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:25:48 No.26925192 Report

Quoted By: >>26925254 >>26925641 >>26926564

>>26924127

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:30:32 No.26925254 Report

Quoted By: >>26925283

>>26925192
What site is that with the changeable base stat section for calculating stats?

I've been looking for something like that for months

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:32:46 No.26925283 Report

Quoted By: >>26925319

>>26925254
pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:34:39 No.26925308 Report

Quoted By: >>26925356

>>26924127
have any of you considered that maybe they boosted zygarde stats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:35:15 No.26925319 Report

Quoted By: >>26925328

>>26925283
Thanks!

Also, what are the implications for those stats being what they are?

Does this imply Zygarde Complete will not be as powerful as imagined above?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:36:52 No.26925328 Report

Quoted By: >>26925339

>>26925319
Simply that it's 180 base hp when transforming from 10% form and 216 when transforming from 50%.
Many speculated 227 base, which simply isn't true

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:38:42 No.26925339 Report

Quoted By: >>26925378

>>26925328
So its base HP depends on which forme it began as?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:40:22 No.26925356 Report

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>>26925308
One, the Zygarde shown their exactly matches a 31IV Zygarde under the old stats, apparently. Not too sure what nature it would be.

But, two, even if they did, that just means 100% Zygarde is even more ridiculous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:42:17 No.26925378 Report

Quoted By: >>26925514

>>26925339
Yes.
It's directly related to the percentage name of the previous form.
x2 for 50%
x10 for 10%

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:44:01 No.26925391 Report

Quoted By: >>26925407 >>26925501 >>26925761

I want to ____ that fish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:45:10 No.26925401 Report

Quoted By: >>26925420 >>26925474 >>26925528

>Complete Zygarde is dependent on 50% form being put into a specific HP range

You guys do realize this will make it just an impractical gimmick, don't you?

More often than not Zygarde will never achieve 100% before fainting. Actually hitting the "in a pinch" sweet spot is pure luck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:45:28 No.26925407 Report

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>>26925391
eat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:47:08 No.26925420 Report

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>>26925401
substitute

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:51:36 No.26925474 Report

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>>26925401
If Zygarde is faster in a Singles Battle, Substitute can whittle it down gradually while taking no extra damage.

If Zygarde is slower, Focus Sash can be held.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:53:32 No.26925501 Report

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>>26925391
Safely switch in

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:54:44 No.26925514 Report

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>>26925378
That seems just insane but it makes sense

>10%×10=100%
>50%×2=100%

Thats some tanky ass stats with proper setup

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:55:50 No.26925528 Report

Quoted By: >>26925596

>>26925401
Hopefully there will be an option to use Perfect Zygarde like a normal Pokemon, I hate these form change gimmicks. I just want a permanent option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:02:39 No.26925596 Report

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>>26925528
I think that Perfect Zygarde would actually be way too powerful if you didn't even have to build a strategy to gain so much power at once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:06:41 No.26925641 Report

Quoted By: >>26925674

>>26925192
I am p sure both ivs and evs would be at 0 for this situation, in such case 10% would have 65 base hp, and 100% would be 227 base hp in my opinion

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:09:41 No.26925674 Report

Quoted By: >>26925754

>>26925641
Zygarde 50% was proven to be 31 ivs.
Do the fucking calculations.
We the stats for it.
Unless you're saying it looses ivs on transformation Zygarde 100% is fuckin confirmed for 180.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:10:33 No.26925692 Report

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>>26924127
I hate this thing so much. I hope it gets banished to AG or something.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:15:24 No.26925752 Report

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>>26924138
>give it Weakness Policy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:15:46 No.26925754 Report

Quoted By: >>26925783

>>26925674
180 from 10%, 216 from 50%, that just seems weird

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:16:47 No.26925761 Report

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>>26925391
pleasure myself with

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:18:36 No.26925783 Report

Quoted By: >>26925846

>>26925754
Weirder than 65 to 277?
Weirder than 108 to some number higher than 180 with suddenly no ivs?
18, 108, and 180 are very round predictable numbers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:23:52 No.26925846 Report

Quoted By: >>26925873

>>26925783
what's weird to me is that you get different base stats depending from what form you start with. if its supposed to be the complete form, it should have the same base stat, as its not missing anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:24:27 No.26925855 Report

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Does that confirm mega will have now a HP Boost ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:25:44 No.26925873 Report

Quoted By: >>26925939

>>26925846
I guess, but the video clearly showed the animation from 50 to 100 as more powerful with gusts of green and black wind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:30:49 No.26925939 Report

Quoted By: >>26925976

>>26925873
maybe they polished the transformation sequence between each of the videos

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:34:41 No.26925976 Report

Quoted By: >>26926084

>>26925939
maybe. that doesn't change the calculations, though.
The hp clearly doubles in the latest video and doesn't reach 227 base hp with even the lowest investment.
65 was the highest 10% could possibly be and it couldn't reach 227 base hp or 216 base hp by doubling it's hp stat.

18 base multiplying to 180 is simply the most logical and probable answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:43:39 No.26926084 Report

Quoted By: >>26926120

>>26925976
still, different base stats depending of the starting form seems odd

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:46:07 No.26926120 Report

Quoted By: >>26926125

>>26926084
Okay, but it's also a new gen.
They'll probably explain it away like everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:46:24 No.26926125 Report

Quoted By: >>26926171

>>26926120
good point

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:49:42 No.26926171 Report

Quoted By: >>26926225 >>26926270

>>26926125
Still, Zygarde's gonna be something else when it comes out, amirite?
10%'s still probably going to be pretty good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:54:33 No.26926225 Report

Quoted By: >>26926254

>>26926171
yup, and with he two sneks im porting from gen VI i won't have to worry about choosing a single form

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:56:13 No.26926254 Report

Quoted By: >>26926282 >>26926313

>>26926225
I think there might e some way to change them in-game. I doubt they'll force a default form.
Aura Break is what I'm worried about...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:57:22 No.26926270 Report

Quoted By: >>26926304

>>26926171
I imagine 10% will allow for simpler setups if it has significantly higher speed than 50%, since it'd have an easier time using Substitute if it were fast.

Both 10% and 50% could just go the way of Focus Sash though, and run Dragon Dance plus three attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:58:35 No.26926282 Report

Quoted By: >>26926304

>>26926254
Looks like Aura Break is simply replaced by Swarm Change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 03:00:16 No.26926304 Report

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>>26926270
I could see that or 50% with weakness policy or leftovers or a bulky coil walbreaker.

>>26926282
I hope. I really hope they won't make it event exclusive like V-Create.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 03:01:04 No.26926313 Report

Quoted By: >>26926365

>>26926254
Aura Break is one of, if not the most poorly conceived ability in the game. It's workable, but only if you REALLY push the issue.

If Swarm Change replaces it, i'll be glad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 03:05:02 No.26926365 Report

Quoted By: >>26926508

>>26926313
Hopefully, it was just a placeholder ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 03:18:01 No.26926508 Report

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>>26926365
I wonder if it'll be flatout replaced or if there will be a way to change it? Gamefreak seems loathe to just retcon stuff like that, though they have done it before.

I think the only time they ever just replaced an ability was Chandelure's hidden ability, though it was never actually available until after they changed what it was anyway. Other than that, I think a few Pokemon got additional abilities later?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 03:23:05 No.26926564 Report

Quoted By: >>26926790

>>26925192
Pretty sure what we can get from this is 10% has base 54 HP, which is really a quarter of 100%'s 216, but it still fits the stat theme

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 03:46:52 No.26926790 Report

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>>26926564
This the first video the Zygarde had 23 iv in hp this one had 31.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 04:37:22 No.26927242 Report

Quoted By: >>26927274 >>26927287

>>26924147

Demonstartion Pokemon are always neutral natured with 0 stat investment I.v or e.v wise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 04:41:25 No.26927274 Report

Quoted By: >>26927295

>>26927242
We already know the stats for 50% Zygarde, so it had to have 31 IVs 0 EVs in that vid since it was 183 HP at L50

(Technically it could have less IVs with some EVs, but you get the idea)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 04:43:14 No.26927287 Report

Quoted By: >>26927295

>>26927242
Zygarde 50% has 31 HP IVs. That HP stat isn't possible with 0 IVs and EVs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 04:44:47 No.26927295 Report

Quoted By: >>26927301 >>26927388

>>26927274
>>26927287

Odd, is this the first time Gamefreak changed this rule?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 04:45:22 No.26927301 Report

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>>26927295
Pretty sure there has been 31 IV pokemon in past demonstrations

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 04:56:24 No.26927388 Report

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>>26927295
They kinda ditched it with ORAS.
Some IVs/EVs seemed to just be random, and the trailer for the primal forms had Kyogre with a perfect 31 IV/252 EVs.

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