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Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 15:02:39 No.26945224 View View Reply Original Report

Battlan, Battlan, Battlan, Hopan this one won't die, etc

Introduction to Competitive Pokémon: http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/intro_comp_pokemon
Tiers Explained: http://www.smogon.com/xyhub/tiers
List of tiers' clauses and banlists: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/
StrategyDex: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/

Online Pokémon Simulators:

Pokémon Showdown (main simulator): http://www.pokemonshowdown.com
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Pokémon TCG Online: http://www.pokemontcg.com/

Topic of the day: How is Sun/Moon gonna save the meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 15:06:38 No.26945262 Report

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>>26945224
Can we get a reminder about those new mons abilities?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 15:14:56 No.26945354 Report

Quoted By: >>26945415 >>26945740 >>26949631 >>26951808

>>26945262
>Electric Surge - Activates Electric Terrain when being sent out
That's fucking great, the new weathers only lacked automatic setters. 50% boost to electric-type attacks is really good, removes sleep too so fucks up rest mons and spore/sleep powder users.

>Dazzling: Prevents moves with an increased Speed Priority from hitting
REMOVE BRAVE BIRD FISHE

>Berserk: Increases Special Attack when Hit Points reach 50%
Sounds decent, but unless it has a good recovery move, this isn't going to do a lot of important shit. The dragon which gets it is probably going to be slow too, so no hope of having a scarfer that deals more damage once it's hurt

> Soul Heart:Raises the Special Attack by one stage when a Pokémon on the field is knocked out
Now that's what I call a good ability. Magearna will probably abuse the fuck out of this. Memento might be good too with this, who knows?

>Stakeout: Deals twice the normal damage if the opponent just switched into battle
I mainly play LC, so Yungoos is gonna be a godsend as a wallbreaker.
>switch in scarf yungoos on frail shit that I can ko
>it's either let your offensive mon die or get a defensive mon 2hkoed

>Comatose: The Pokémon can only be affected by the Sleep status condition
meh, I guess? No burns, so that's a good thing.

>Battery: Increases the power of ally Pokémon's Special move
Charjabug gets it, and it doesn't seem to be a particularly good mon (usual bug NFE), so I doubt it'll be used
might be on another mon tho

>Power Construct: Changes Zygarde's form to Complete Forme when Hit Points are less than 50%
SubDD Zygarde = anything goes

Not gonna comment on the legendaries' abilities since they're just renamed existing abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 15:20:21 No.26945415 Report

Quoted By: >>26945427

>>26945354
>>Stakeout: Deals twice the normal damage if the opponent just switched into battle
>I mainly play LC, so Yungoos is gonna be a godsend as a wallbreaker.
>>switch in scarf yungoos on frail shit that I can ko
>>it's either let your offensive mon die or get a defensive mon 2hkoed

enjoy your 10 speed tier or instant suspect
inb4 b-but timburr exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 15:22:23 No.26945427 Report

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>>26945415
LO Reckless Mienfoo is still available so i don't think it's gonna get suspected

and I was meming when I said that, there's still plenty of shit that could tank its hits (eg. Porygon, Spritzee, rock-types and steel-types, etc)

There's plenty of prio in LC: Croagunk, Timburr, Fletchling, Pawniard, Carvanha, fake out users...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 15:49:59 No.26945740 Report

Quoted By: >>26945974

>>26945354
Comatose could be huge depending on who gets it. More mons that wall keld without being burned would be nice, and not being burned/twaved is huge for some sweepers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 16:09:34 No.26945974 Report

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>>26945740
Depends, if the mons that get it are generic early-game normal-types, they won't even have the bulk in order to prevent the scald 2hko

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 16:14:43 No.26946038 Report

Quoted By: >>26946066 >>26946098

You guys are also into VGC by any chance? I want to get a grasp of it, but I blow at Competitive stuff in general. Team building, reading the opponent, knowing what to do in general basically. Doesn't help that VGC Pokemon usually have some bizarre EV spread. Any got tips for the basics? It doesn't have to be VGC, Smogon is fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 16:16:37 No.26946066 Report

Quoted By: >>26946098 >>26946116

>>26946038
It's mostly just knowing what shit runs and what beats that shit: you get better with time.

Not a lot of people play VGC, but you can get a lot of direct general help on the cpg showdown room:
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/cpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 16:19:34 No.26946098 Report

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>>26946066
>>26946038
It's play.pokemonshowdown.com/tpc now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 16:20:53 No.26946116 Report

Quoted By: >>26946382 >>26946536

>>26946066
That does sound simple enough with practice. I guess I'll just try stuff out on Showdown regardless of how many times I get handed, and ask for some advice from more experienced players. Thanks, anon!

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Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 16:44:26 No.26946382 Report

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>>26946116
remember to ask here or in room if you have any questions.

May be filled with faggots, but at least they're helpful faggots.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 16:51:52 No.26946457 Report

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If anyone needs LC help, I'm here

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 17:00:47 No.26946536 Report

Quoted By: >>26946553

>>26946116
Teambuilding will depend upon the rules of the tier you're working with. Start with a tier you feel comfortable with (easily defined rules etc) and work on teambuilding first. Find out how to combine strategy and synergy.

Create a core (2-3 Pokemon that have synergy) that will be the basis of your team's strategy
>Balanced
>Fast Physical Attackers
>Stall
>Volt-Turn
Etc, and check your weaknesses and complement off of them with your remaining team-mates. Battle a lot to define what threatens your team, and place checks to beat them. E.g. I was having fun with a Volcarona + M-Sableye core that couldn't deal with Heatran. I put in Sashed Dugtrio with max speed and could usually take care of it easily with Area Trap. Not the greatest strategy, but an example. That and Dugtrio was a surprisingly useful little fucker. Mostly just battle, battle, and battle. Oh, and ev spreads may seem mystifying until you are doing damage calcs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 17:02:36 No.26946553 Report

Quoted By: >>26947087

>>26946536
Roomfag makes a post: the movie

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 17:50:35 No.26947087 Report

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>>26946553
Nothing wrong with that senpai

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 18:32:08 No.26947565 Report

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bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 19:02:34 No.26947867 Report

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bump

Conspire !Poor//00eg

Conspire !Poor//00eg Sat 02 Jul 2016 21:55:56 No.26949631 Report

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>>26945354
all shit but soul heart, fuck u every1

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Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 22:48:44 No.26950204 Report

Quoted By: >>26950270 >>26950980 >>26950981

WHY ARE DEFENSIVE MONS NEVER SUSPECTED

SOME DEFENSIVE CORES CAN'T BE BROKEN

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 22:54:57 No.26950270 Report

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>>26950204
Every defensive core can be broken, it's just that some are harder to break than others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 23:52:22 No.26950980 Report

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>>26950204
such as?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jul 2016 23:52:24 No.26950981 Report

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>>26950204
Because "lol gotta ban shadow tag instead of msableye there no issues"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 01:08:24 No.26951749 Report

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bump

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Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 01:12:10 No.26951790 Report

Quoted By: >>26951838

thank you lc guy

the team you posted got me reqs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 01:14:03 No.26951808 Report

Quoted By: >>26951838 >>26952311

>>26945354
What are the chances that Dazzling will block Pursuit? It's technically a priority move when used on something that's switching out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 01:17:29 No.26951838 Report

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>>26951790
you're welcome senpai

>>26951808
Since it becomes +7, I guess it'll block it, maybe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:12:23 No.26952311 Report

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>>26951808
Probably, the bigger question though is will any pokemon with dazzling not be basculin tier shit. A pokemon with an amazing set of abilities a great typing and movepool but with 480 bst an ou does not make

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Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:13:52 No.26952327 Report

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wow i really like this clan

Pmma !FAgOTpEnIs

Pmma !FAgOTpEnIs Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:14:47 No.26952337 Report

Quoted By: >>26952348

kektus is a fucking nigger

kektus !DF5jUrblQs

kektus !DF5jUrblQs Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:16:25 No.26952348 Report

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>>26952337
no ablo englese cuba mi ablo si si si
LITTLE CUP

Outrageous Fortune !imgayhEr/U

Outrageous Fortune !imgayhEr/U Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:21:02 No.26952389 Report

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Ary is a nigger noob

Anon

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Anon Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:22:21 No.26952398 Report

Quoted By: >>26952405 >>26952459 >>26952460 >>26952486

How do i get voiced

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Outrageous Fortune !imgayhEr/U Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:23:00 No.26952405 Report

Quoted By: >>26952484

>>26952398
You have to offer your ass to our Supreme Overlord, Akkeshi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:29:21 No.26952459 Report

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>>26952398
tell us your PS username and we'll voice you

Conspire !Poor//00eg

Conspire !Poor//00eg Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:29:26 No.26952460 Report

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>>26952398
Message etaoi. She voices EVERYONE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:32:05 No.26952484 Report

Quoted By: >>26952501

>>26952405
>forgetting the true lords of cpg are amini mush and pmma
newfag alert

Arytheniggernoob

Arytheniggernoob Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:32:17 No.26952486 Report

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>>26952398
pm me on showdown

Anon

Anon Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:32:26 No.26952488 Report

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/me bend over

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Outrageous Fortune !imgayhEr/U Sun 03 Jul 2016 02:34:06 No.26952501 Report

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>>26952484
Amini Mush and Pmma are all poor wtf

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 06:25:07 No.26954805 Report

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ded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 07:36:42 No.26955331 Report

Quoted By: >>26955429

Best uh psychic uh wall uh sweeper uh pivot uh punisher uh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 07:40:51 No.26955346 Report

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cpg is actually trash lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 07:55:10 No.26955429 Report

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>>26955331
Slowbro for all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 08:16:10 No.26955552 Report

Quoted By: >>26955556 >>26955561

Anyone here good at UU?

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!WVYPhcP6MM Sun 03 Jul 2016 08:17:16 No.26955556 Report

Quoted By: >>26955584

>>26955552
me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 08:17:44 No.26955561 Report

Quoted By: >>26955567 >>26955568

>>26955552
no u fucking idiot we only play VGC and gen 3 rambats what are u poor

!WVYPhcP6MM

!WVYPhcP6MM Sun 03 Jul 2016 08:18:42 No.26955567 Report

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>>26955561
ary go take your pills

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 08:18:53 No.26955568 Report

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>>26955561
gen 3 doesnt have randbats

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 08:20:11 No.26955584 Report

Quoted By: >>26956316 >>26958198

>>26955556
hi what should i change about this team
http://pastebin.com/RDdrkjfn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 10:26:44 No.26956316 Report

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>>26955584
not that guy but it looks pretty solid my man

at first glance I'd think crocune is a bit of a problem, but vaporeon beats it 1v1 since it's slower which means it can just baton pass out -> switch back in again, which are free 128 pp.

Maybe curselax is a problem? You can taunt it with crobat, but that's kinda shaky because it doesn't want to get hit by a body slam. Other attackers don't see to do as much. Luckily only lowladder shtiters use curselax though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 14:10:21 No.26957613 Report

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bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 14:17:55 No.26957669 Report

Quoted By: >>26958143

Can someone explain to me why clefable isn't getting suspected? That shit is centralizing, on every fucking team and fits on every playstyle, lacks counters since it just out-durates all of them. Does smogon only suspect fast sweepers or what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 15:09:45 No.26958143 Report

Quoted By: >>26959352

>>26957669
it's no use, if they do a suspect on a defensive mon it won't get banned

see: sableye

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 15:14:15 No.26958198 Report

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>>26955584
>using Vaporeon

Reeeeee, stop doing that, it doesn't belong in UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 17:12:54 No.26959352 Report

Quoted By: >>26959389

>>26958143
>here is my thesis backed up by one (1) example

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 17:16:23 No.26959389 Report

Quoted By: >>26959649

>>26959352
well if ou actually suspected defensive mons maybe there would be more examples

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jul 2016 17:44:49 No.26959649 Report

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>>26959389
The thing is that apart from that one superstall team that everyone could autopilot there haven't really been any metas where defensive cores were broken. Dominant yes, but never to a point where it's unbeatable. Trust me, defensive autopilot is alot easier to play and therefor alot more broken, but pokemon rarely ever works like that. Honestly I think it's good that there are viable stall teams right now, because if you look back to the last few years the majority of the time stall is just objectively inferior in terms of viability.

There is nothing really broken that's defensive right now.

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