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Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:12:24 No.27277949 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>27278025 >>27278149 >>27278174 >>27278212 >>27278249 >>27278397 >>27278437 >>27278481 >>27278493 >>27278551

What was the biggest leap in the franchise technologically? In terms of mechanics, graphics, presentation, etc.

Was it:
>Gen I to II
>Gen II to III
>Gen III to IV
>Gen IV to V
>Gen V to IV

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:16:58 No.27278017 Report

Quoted By: >>27278059

I'd say from I to II or V to VI

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:17:31 No.27278025 Report

Quoted By: >>27278059

>>27277949
2 to 3

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:18:00 No.27278028 Report

Quoted By: >>27278059

I to II

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:20:13 No.27278059 Report

Quoted By: >>27278076 >>27278091

>>27278017
>>27278028
Gen II laid the stepping stones for where the franchise is now, but apart from that and all of the features it introduced it wasn't really that big of a leap.

>>27278025
I was thinking this. I'd also say III to IV but the only gigantic leap there was graphically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:21:38 No.27278076 Report

Quoted By: >>27278086 >>27278110

>>27278059
>it really wasn't that big of a leap
retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:22:15 No.27278086 Report

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>>27278076
>this post
retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:22:38 No.27278091 Report

Quoted By: >>27278107

>>27278059
I think we can all agree though that IV to V was by far the smallest goddamn leap. It actually kind of turned me off from Gen V at first, felt like nothing changed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:23:47 No.27278107 Report

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>>27278091
Definitely. No fundamental changes, just new items, Pokémon and two battle formats that barely got exposure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:23:57 No.27278110 Report

Quoted By: >>27278551

>>27278076
Explain your reasoning then fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:25:16 No.27278136 Report

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II to III, no question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:26:20 No.27278149 Report

Quoted By: >>27278173

>>27277949
>Gen III to IV
Ability to trade and battle with someone from other country is a pretty big change. Also, 2 screens, physical/special split etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:26:47 No.27278160 Report

Quoted By: >>27278199

I definitely wanna say 5 to 6 because of the leap to 3D (also the addition of megas) 6 and 7 have the same battle system but the battle background and the overworld are way better, who knows Gen 7 may actually be a huge leap, we'll just have to wait and see.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:28:02 No.27278173 Report

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>>27278149
I got to sway you swayed me. 2 screens is such a big fucking change mechanically and it's been a mainstay in the series for 4 fucking gens now with no end in sight. And of course the whole wi-fi thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:28:03 No.27278174 Report

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>>27277949

It's hard to tell

You can't ignore 3's introduction to abilities

And you especially can't ignore Gen 4 finally doing the physical specia split and arguably having the best a balanced meta game, where dragons were the only real problem instead of multiple problems like currently

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:30:21 No.27278199 Report

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>>27278160
7 will be to 6 as 5 was to 4. Just flashy improvements to everything with nothing new added besides superfluous ways to battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:31:34 No.27278212 Report

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>>27277949
>mechanics
Gen II. It redefined the type chart from the weird one from the first gen, and pretty much set the standard for how everything would interact mechanically.

>graphically
Gen VI, no question. Brought things into 3D on handhelds (finally), and replaced those shitty pixelated Gen V animations with smooth ones on future-proofed models.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:34:31 No.27278249 Report

Quoted By: >>27278320

>>27277949
Easily 5 to 6. 1 to 2 was just colors, 2 to 3 was a decent leap that added shading and detailed overworld effects, but it was far from utilizing the power of the GBA properly (the jump to 3D could easily have been done even back then). Gen 4 and 5 were embarrassingly lazy and looked exactly like the gen 3 games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:35:15 No.27278257 Report

Quoted By: >>27278271 >>27280060

II to III imo.
The graphical leap from II to R/S/E wasn't that great, but the additional mechanics all around (abilities, natures, weather, double battles, etc.), new features (contests, berry growing, secret bases, etc.) the sheer amount of new moves (and Pokémon), and the vastness and lush wilderness of the Hoenn region compared to Kanto and Johto were all quite radical.

III to IV didn't feel like a leap at all, barely a step. Of course there was the physical/special split, but the art style was very similar to FRLG's, and Sinnoh's scale or route designs didn't feel novel in any way either. In fact, Platinum really turned me off from Pokémon for many years because it was just more of the same and it all felt so stale. (I also didn't have Wi-Fi back in the day so I never got to play Gen IV online.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:36:11 No.27278271 Report

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>>27278257
This. Gen 4, 5, and 6 were all shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:40:05 No.27278320 Report

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>>27278249
>1 to 2 was just colors
but that's incorrect. II implemented 2/3s of the post-Gen I types, expanded significantly upon the concept of evolution (i.e. baby Pokemon, cross-genners, held item trades, etc.), added the breeding mechanic which is expanded upon til this day, and many more features. The leap wasn't that impressive overall because it's expected for a sequel to just add upon the original, but still.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:40:12 No.27278321 Report

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>Top Tier:

3 - 4

>Great Tier:

1 - 2

>Smogon Tier:

2 - 3

>More Smogon Tier:

5 - 6
4 - 5

In terms of the depth of the game, Gen 3 laid the foundations while Gen 4 expanded on them massively. The core battling experience hasn't changed since Gen 3, with the engine relatively the same. Online multiplayer is by far the biggest change introduced in the game bar none, which is massive considering Pokemon was marketed for its multiplayer experience since Gen 1.

Gen 2 fixed a significant amount of the bugs dominant, introduced items, expanded the amount of content in the game massively and is generally the fan favourite. If you have absolutely no interest in competitive battling, Gen 1 - 2 is probably your favourite leap.

The latest two gens have only really added more to the game for the competitive battler. Team preview has completely reshaped competitive battling for the better, breeding has been made significantly easier and Fairy was introduced as a bandaid to Draco Meteor existing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:40:53 No.27278333 Report

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Either 2->3 or 5->6

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:42:27 No.27278354 Report

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III-IV in terms of gameplay and competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:45:34 No.27278397 Report

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>>27277949
>What was the biggest leap in the franchise technologically?
>In terms of mechanics, graphics, presentation, etc.
These seem like two different questions.

In terms of graphics and "technological advancement" in the strictest definitions? Gen 5 to 6, without a doubt. People give Gen 6 a lot of shit (rightly so) but in terms of catching up (Pokemon has always been a few generations behind the rest of gaming in terms of assets and such), Gen 6 is the clear winner, regardless of if you think a few of the 3D models look crap or too washed out.

In terms of actual content and gameplay additions though, Gen 2 wins it for me. No generation since has added so many features without also removing a solid chunk - gen 2, to my knowledge, only really removed the Safari Zone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:48:45 No.27278437 Report

Quoted By: >>27278485 >>27278523

>>27277949
>1 to 2
held items, breeding, 2 new types
>2 to 3
abilities
>3 to 4
physical/special split
>4 to 5
fuck if I know. Hidden abilities I guess?
>5 to 6
megas, 3d models, a new type

Am I forgetting anything?

In terms of mechanics, I'd say 3 to 4 takes the cake, then 2 to 3 and 1 to 2.

In terms of graphics and presentation, 5 to 6. No contest here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:51:32 No.27278481 Report

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>>27277949
Definitely II to III, considering they added in a lot more technical stuff that made it no longer backwards compatible. They added necessary numbers that you can still transfer up to the modern games. As far as graphics go, I'd say V to VI because that's when they eliminated the pixel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:51:39 No.27278485 Report

Quoted By: >>27278504

>>27278437
Oh yeah, 2 to 3 also gave us weather and natures. Still, I feel the split is the single most important innovation in the franchise, regarding mechanics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:52:14 No.27278493 Report

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>>27277949
4 to 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:53:05 No.27278504 Report

Quoted By: >>27278524

>>27278485
>weather
that's already on gen2

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:54:22 No.27278523 Report

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>>27278437
you forgot shinies. in 1 to 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:54:24 No.27278524 Report

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>>27278504
true that, I added that after reading another anon's post but I guess he was referring to weather wars

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:54:54 No.27278534 Report

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>IV

It brought us the underground which pretty darn revolutionary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:56:00 No.27278551 Report

Quoted By: >>27278567

>>27277949
Gen 1 to 2 without a doubt

>>27278110
>genders
>breeding
>hold items
>cross evos
>day and night
>happiness
>rematches
>postgame
>first battle tower
>shinies
>two new types
>animated sprites
>first extra pokeballs
>in game events
>days of the week
>creating a new stat
>backwards compatibility
>roaming legendaries
>sorting bag items
>berries

It did a fucking lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 17:57:26 No.27278567 Report

Quoted By: >>27278774 >>27279656

>>27278551
Eh, not that impressive to be honest. It was still shit. 2-3 is where it's at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 18:06:27 No.27278728 Report

Quoted By: >>27278774 >>27279330

Gen I > II
>new types Dark and Steel
>genders
>breeding
>eggs
>baby pokemon introduced
>shiny pokemon introduced
>apricorns
>new pokeballs
>friendship stat
>hold items
>pokerus
>type changes in moves
>special split to sp. att and sp. def
>bag split into different categories
>ability to set key item
>trainers are given names
>exp. share
>pokegear which has a cellphone, map, and radio
>female choice for player
>battle tower
>move tutor
>online trade
>chasing around legendaries in the wild

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 18:09:24 No.27278774 Report

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>>27278567
>literally most of the groundwork for what modern Pokemon is
>the first battle facility
>everything mentioned in >>27278728
>'not that impressive'
It might not be that impressive but it WAS a massive leap. 2 to 3 just feels like a bigger leap because of the incompatibility between the generations, but I'd argue 2 introduced more staples and lasting advancements to the series overall

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 18:43:51 No.27279330 Report

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>>27278728
good points
you're probably right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 19:05:24 No.27279656 Report

Quoted By: >>27279695

>>27278567
What did gen 3 do outside of current iv/ev and doubles+abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 19:09:25 No.27279695 Report

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>>27279656
Hidden bases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 19:20:54 No.27279881 Report

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The only correct answers are I-II mechanics wise or V-VI graphics/presentation-wise.
Anything else is biased schlock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 19:31:40 No.27280060 Report

Quoted By: >>27280074

>>27278257
>weather
Could've sworn that was in Gen II though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Jul 2016 19:32:37 No.27280074 Report

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>>27280060
I forgot actually, but it wasn't nearly as big of a deal.

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