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Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 14:08:42 No.27326812 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>27326836 >>27326848 >>27327189 >>27327349 >>27327378

What animals could beat a pokemon? I understand that a ratatta could beat a regular rat, but I'm pretty sure that a wild ratatta would still get wrecked by an actual fucking eagle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 14:11:29 No.27326836 Report

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>>27326812
Yeah, no. A Rattata would fucking massacre a eagle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 14:12:58 No.27326848 Report

Quoted By: >>27329153

>>27326812
>implying Hyper Fang couldn't fucking wreck an eagle
It depends honestly, something like a level 1 Rattatta is easy prey for something fully grown perhaps, but the majority of Pokemon are ridiculously overpowered. Even Magikarp can generate enough force to jump over a mountain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 14:25:53 No.27326925 Report

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>implying any animal could defeat based rattata

Alphaville !!TORtoOQMEfy

Alphaville !!TORtoOQMEfy Sat 23 Jul 2016 14:27:16 No.27326936 Report

Quoted By: >>27327356 >>27328968

I'm sure things like Caterpie could get beaten by actual fucking eagles. People believe that every pokemon is super OP IRL for the fun of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:02:11 No.27327189 Report

Quoted By: >>27328385 >>27328945 >>27329323

>>27326812
A swarm of spearow could not kill ash. A ten year old child with no weapons who was not fighting back.

Real life Eagles have been documented hunting and killing Tigers, elk, bears. And that is just modern day Eagles. Bring back something like the new Zealand Eagles or North American terror birds and your rattata is going to die before it even sees the bird.

Get rid of this Pokemon are OP meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:07:30 No.27327244 Report

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>Rattata used thunderbolt

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Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:09:02 No.27327256 Report

Quoted By: >>27327418 >>27327523

Well seeing as pokemon are not immortal and infinitely durable like they show in the anime and games I'd say Tigers could take out most of the smaller pokemon. Rhino and Elephant could take out a lot of the big pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:22:13 No.27327349 Report

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>>27326812
Depends..is the rattata top percentage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:23:25 No.27327356 Report

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>>27326936
Alomamola could beat a real fish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:26:39 No.27327378 Report

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>>27326812
rattata can learn blizzard via tm, so..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:31:23 No.27327418 Report

Quoted By: >>27327424 >>27329153

>>27327256
Only small pokemons, the big ones actually have abilities to defend themselves, a Machcamp can move mountains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:32:18 No.27327424 Report

Quoted By: >>27327446

>>27327418
>believing pokedex entries
fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:34:37 No.27327446 Report

Quoted By: >>27327454 >>27327470 >>27327556 >>27328905

>>27327424
>because Kyogre totally didn't created the seas like the dex says
Fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:35:28 No.27327454 Report

Quoted By: >>27327468

>>27327446
It didn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:36:48 No.27327468 Report

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>>27327454
>t. 4chan """"expert""""

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:36:57 No.27327470 Report

Quoted By: >>27327500 >>27327565

>>27327446
This guy actually thinks the "Pokémon gods" are real gods.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:40:50 No.27327500 Report

Quoted By: >>27327611

>>27327470
>implying they aren't
Where's your citation? Because the Manga, games and anime all suggests they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:43:12 No.27327523 Report

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>>27327256
>Well seeing as pokemon are not immortal and infinitely durable like they show in the anime and games
And manga because that arbok regens. Arguably Pokemon are at their strongest in the manga

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:46:13 No.27327556 Report

Quoted By: >>27327567

>>27327446
>create the seas
>doesn't even have the ability to flood a region
I bet you think ho-oh revived some Eeveelutions and Lugia can destroy shit in a flap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:47:22 No.27327565 Report

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>>27327470
To be fair, Arceus and the other three are actual gods.
The rest aren't though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:47:38 No.27327567 Report

Quoted By: >>27327599

>>27327556
>no citation
Hilariously bad on your part, every medium says they are but le 4chan contrarian, am I right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:51:00 No.27327599 Report

Quoted By: >>27327621

>>27327567
Want a citation?
How about the games, anime and manga because they've never displayed any such power at any point in time.
Hell if the lugia thing were true the whole second movie would be over the moment lugia comes out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:52:39 No.27327611 Report

Quoted By: >>27327636

>>27327500
Oh this Pokémon is a god because it is the most powerful of its type?

I guess zapdos is the lightning god who created lightning?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:53:13 No.27327621 Report

Quoted By: >>27327632 >>27327648

>>27327599
Because they are seperate mediums you retard, the anime always nerfed the pokemons. Kyogre straight up said it created the seas in PMD, Kyogre said it itself, get that through your thick skull, play the games and rea dthe manag before shitposting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:54:57 No.27327632 Report

Quoted By: >>27327649 >>27327655

>>27327621
Oh, something said it was a god without any evidence or ability to show that level of power?

Well clearly its telling the truth. If there is one thing meowth taught me is that Pokémon never lie.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:55:13 No.27327636 Report

Quoted By: >>27327649 >>27327661

>>27327611
I guess Kyogre lied about creating the seas in PMD then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:55:57 No.27327648 Report

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>>27327621
>Kyogre straight up said it created the seas in PMD, Kyogre said it itself, get that through your thick skull, play the games and rea dthe manag before shitposting.
>it's a different media but this different media proves me right
Well we have sufficient proof that you're a retard at least. In any case not even the manga has that display of power and you have to take PMD with a fistful of salt because nothing is consistent, not even other games in the series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:56:09 No.27327649 Report

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>>27327632
See
>>27327636

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:56:25 No.27327655 Report

Quoted By: >>27327678 >>27327688

>>27327632
So everything confirms Kyogre did create the seas, in all the mediums available, but you choose to be a contrarian with no evidence backing your point. Good to know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:57:14 No.27327661 Report

Quoted By: >>27327683

>>27327636
Yep, because it doesn't have the power to do so and we've never seen it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:58:42 No.27327678 Report

Quoted By: >>27327705

>>27327655
Your first point of evidence was a quote from the Pokémon in question.

We already established that Pokémon will lie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:58:54 No.27327683 Report

Quoted By: >>27327703

>>27327661
Yeah except it was going to flood Hoenn in the game if wasn't stopped. Guess you don't even play the mainline games either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 15:59:18 No.27327688 Report

Quoted By: >>27327703 >>27327705

>>27327655
>So everything confirms Kyogre did create the seas, in all the mediums available
Anime, games and manga all contradict that legend because we've seen it at full power and it didn't change a thing. If it could create the seas of the planet it could wipe a region off of the face of the planet with no effort yet it fails to do so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:00:22 No.27327703 Report

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>>27327683
See >>27327688
At least play them before shitposting anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:00:30 No.27327705 Report

Quoted By: >>27327722 >>27327745

>>27327678
Meowth lied for a gain, mind explaining what Kyogre will lie for? Do you even know the context of his statements, shitposter?

>>27327688
Because it was stopped you mean? The world would have been flooded, beginning with Hoenn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:02:46 No.27327722 Report

Quoted By: >>27327746

>>27327705
>Because it was stopped you mean?
Because it doesn't have the power. Assuming you find Sootopolis after releasing it the region should have been flooded several times over by the time you get there and in AS the primal should have kicked it into overdrive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:04:12 No.27327735 Report

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it depends. what if the pokemon is high level? do rel life animals have levels? are the pokemon just animals who happen to have special abilities?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:05:48 No.27327745 Report

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>>27327705
Nothing to go off of except legends, and the word of a Pokémon who could be lying for ego that does not ever show its godlike power in any medium.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:05:57 No.27327746 Report

Quoted By: >>27327784 >>27327798

>>27327722
Because it was just causing heavy rain and wasn't doing anything else? I'm still waiting for evidence that shows against what's stated and shown in the manga, anime and games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:09:41 No.27327784 Report

Quoted By: >>27327815

>>27327746
Perhaps you would like to share a source showing kyogre's power?

> mythology not allowed
> plots by criminals based on those legends not allowed
> word of Pokémon that has the ability to lie

Kyogre was my favorite Pokémon I traded my rayquaza to get a second one, but that's all it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:10:50 No.27327798 Report

Quoted By: >>27327815

>>27327746
That's not how it works and you know it, you're the one making the claim that it has created seas and you have yet to provide it.
In any case the no part of this franchise has ever shown it creating seas or flooding anything. Not even the games that introduced it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:12:20 No.27327815 Report

Quoted By: >>27327885

>>27327784
I don't who your favorite Pokemon, is the fact remains, Kyogre was going to flood the world if it wasn't stopped in the games. the fact remains Kyogre said it created the seas casually in a conversation to the MC with no other characters present with no other intent present. You have no evidence suggesting the contrary.

>>27327798
PMD, you retard i already said where the line comes from.
It was flooding Hoenn in R/S/E what are you even talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:18:31 No.27327885 Report

Quoted By: >>27327904

>>27327815
>PMD, you retard i already said where the line comes from.
PMD literally has the most inconsistent lore in the series.
And in Hoenn it couldn't flood anything at full power.

I don't think you understand what you're arguing here, you're saying a creator God has to take months to flood something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:20:08 No.27327904 Report

Quoted By: >>27327958

>>27327885
It created the seas, everything stated and shown back this statement, you're the one who has a warped sense of what a god is, not everything is the Christian God, you moron, some can be the Greek gods that takes time to do a task and can fall to mortals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:24:58 No.27327958 Report

Quoted By: >>27327985 >>27328057

>>27327904
So basically you have no evidence of Kyogre's power at all and all you have is one quote from a series that is the epitome of inconsistencies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:26:17 No.27327985 Report

Quoted By: >>27328037 >>27328051

>>27327958
Why don't you play R/S/E instead of shitposting?

>PMD
>inconsistent
I guess you can discredit more works with that, what a joke, it's no wonder why your opinion is in the minority in basically everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:29:41 No.27328037 Report

Quoted By: >>27328050

>>27327985
> Has no evidence, keeps repeating the same lines, yells to play the games that we've already played.

I hate to use this cliche, but I think we are arguing with an underage here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:30:40 No.27328050 Report

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>>27328037
You're the one with no evidence saying Kyogre didn't create the seas. I'm still waiting for you to contradict official works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:30:43 No.27328051 Report

Quoted By: >>27328072 >>27328098

>>27327985
Heads up there kiddo you're the one in the minority here especially since everything contradicts you.
Just look at RSE/ORAS, full power and nothing happens.

Where's the proof of your claims?

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Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:31:03 No.27328057 Report

Quoted By: >>27328098 >>27328136

>>27327958
You can't reasonably prove Kyogre created the seas because there is no evidence in the game to suggest so.

However, nothing in the game refutes this point and all spoken and written evidence in the games shows that the most common theory is that Kyogre created the seas.

Since this is the only view accepted in the games, we must take this at face value and assume it is true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:32:44 No.27328072 Report

Quoted By: >>27328136

>>27328051
>people states that the world will be flooded if Kyogre is not stopped
Oh no, Team Aqua and everyone in Hoenn must be lying? Are you even trying any more?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:34:56 No.27328098 Report

Quoted By: >>27328110 >>27328373 >>27329535

>>27328057
>However, nothing in the game refutes this point and all spoken and written evidence in the games shows that the most common theory is that Kyogre created the seas.
See >>27328051

This is an implied creator deity I don't think you realise how much power it should have at full power. Especially if it created all of the seas on the planet.
Apply Occam's razor to your throat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:36:02 No.27328110 Report

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>>27328098
>everything must be christian God, no other religion where gods aren't that strong exists
Must be fun to be as sheltered as you, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:38:18 No.27328136 Report

Quoted By: >>27328152 >>27328216 >>27328373 >>27328433

>>27328072
>>27328057

This is getting hilarious. So now people can't lie or be stupid either? The people who spread the myths of kyogre with no evidence believe in the myths of kyogre?

Well hot damn, that's some sharp thinking you got there.

Why can't you just accept it's a cool water Pokémon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:40:14 No.27328152 Report

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>>27328136
I would it the heavy rain was emphasize with almost all NPCs, worrying about flooding, you're the one who has no evidence suggesting the world wouldn't flood. A better question is, why can't you stop being a contrarian?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:44:52 No.27328205 Report

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This is retarded, of course they don't show pokemon having God like powers because it would ruin the game

If they could destroy all regular pokemon and instantly change the world that doesn't leave the player with a lot to do, they gotta have them be weaker so you can actually stop them

Plus Japanese and a lot of other cultures deities are different, they aren't almighty and unstoppable despite being huge forces

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 16:46:32 No.27328216 Report

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>>27328136
You're argument is just everyone and all the myths are lying because in game legendaries are somewhat balanced

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 17:03:26 No.27328373 Report

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>>27328098
It's not a God, it's just powerful. Stop implying things for no reason

>>27328136
Your reason for not believing it created the seas is that you haven't seen it doing it in game. But when everyone else in game says "yes, Kyogre can flood the world", your response is that they must be lying.
Do you see how silly that is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 17:04:36 No.27328385 Report

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>>27327189
The anime doesn't follow canon, moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 17:08:58 No.27328433 Report

Quoted By: >>27328789

>>27328136
The game itself says if Kyogre isn't stopped it'll eventually flood the planet. There's documentation of the past where Kyogre and Groudon nearly ended civilization because of their fighting and Rayquaza had to step in and go mega fug to blow them the fuck out.

These Pokemon are at the very least capable of living for thousands of years without bodily degeneration. Constant heavy rain for thousands of years could very well drown the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 17:44:37 No.27328789 Report

Quoted By: >>27328854 >>27328925

>>27328433
That could be said for anything though. I mean I could piss in the ocean constantly for 1000 years and it would turn yellow doesn't mean I'm God of the seas. Get what I mean?

Basically these pokemon are strong but not end the world strong by any means especially when taking the legends into account.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 17:52:12 No.27328854 Report

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>>27328789
No Pokemon besides Kyogre can flood the seas even in a million years. Name one that can cause heavy downpour of rain throughout Hoenn and eventually the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 17:56:36 No.27328905 Report

Quoted By: >>27328937 >>27329426

>>27327446
so a boy woke up as a kadabra and magmar is 1000000000 degrees?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 17:58:29 No.27328925 Report

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>>27328789
Can you live for a thousand years and piss continuously for that entire time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 17:59:37 No.27328937 Report

Quoted By: >>27328978 >>27329135

>>27328905
>Magmar
>2200 degrees F
>that is hot to you
Provide evidence that the dex lies. Considering the anime weakened Pokemons by a lot and they still insta-freeze things as well as blowing them beyond the horizon, 2200 degrees is abysmal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:00:04 No.27328945 Report

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>>27327189
Remember that Ash is superhuman by our standards.
He's jumped dozens of feet into the air and tossed over a ton of wood across a river without breaking a sweat, and it's implied that most if not all people in the Pokemon world are capable of such feats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:01:42 No.27328968 Report

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>>27326936
alomomola could beat the shit out of you in real life

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:02:31 No.27328978 Report

Quoted By: >>27329003

>>27328937
>Provide evidence that the dex lies.
Compare Tyranitar's height in Amie to Rhyperior's height in Amie.
Now compare them in the Pokedex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:04:28 No.27329003 Report

Quoted By: >>27329042

>>27328978
You're really using game models as an excuse to discredit the pokedex, kek.

Why don't you explain how Pokemons insta freeze things or humans survive being sent flying thousands of meters into the sky while crash landing to solid ground. How is that not as absurd as 2200 degrees of Machamp moving mountains?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:07:20 No.27329042 Report

Quoted By: >>27329067

>>27329003
I'm not just talking about the size of the game models, I'm talking about the deliberate choice to make Tyranitar take up both screens while the ostensibly taller Rhyperior only takes up one.

It directly contradicts the Pokedex and I've yet to see a good reason for why that is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:09:30 No.27329067 Report

Quoted By: >>27329229

>>27329042
Don't use game models as an example when Gardevoir is almost as tall as a Rayquaza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib084tzN8H0

Stuff like this in the anime is what makes Pokedex entries sound plausible if not expected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:14:24 No.27329135 Report

Quoted By: >>27329208

>>27328937
You're not grasping that Magmar would constantly melt through the ground if this were the case, and ignoring a kid waking up as a Kadabra. Many Pokedex entries seem like a child put them in there or as though they're based on myth OR as if they comment on one pokemon specifically. i.e. not every cubone actually loses their mother as some sort of rite of passage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:15:41 No.27329153 Report

Quoted By: >>27329208

>>27326848
>>27327418
The pokedex isnt cannon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:17:45 No.27329164 Report

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>Ratatta used Thunder/Blizzard/Toxic

>The wild eagle/elephant/hippo/alligator fainted.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:21:11 No.27329208 Report

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>>27329153
>>27329135
Probably because you don't it to be. When Pokemons can spam attacks like this, then anything the Pokedex says is plausible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:22:43 No.27329229 Report

Quoted By: >>27329259

>>27329067
>Don't use game models as an example when Gardevoir is almost as tall as a Rayquaza.
Not in Amie it isn't. Big Pokemon like fug get both screens, smaller ones only show up on the bottom.
Still waiting for a good reason why Tyranitar takes up both screens while many taller Pokemon do not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:25:12 No.27329259 Report

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>>27329229
Or better yet, name a time where game models are consistent. And why should Amie be treated any differently from all those prior models.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:30:37 No.27329323 Report

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>>27327189

Humans in the anime are quite clearly superhuman in their ability to endure damage.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:35:05 No.27329368 Report

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elephants are fucking nuts

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:35:32 No.27329370 Report

Quoted By: >>27329444

Sooo about the pokémon vs animal thing?
Discussing legendaries is pointles as they would win anyway.

What about seaking vs a white shark?

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Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:36:05 No.27329374 Report

Quoted By:

>it's a "Pokedex isn't canon" episode
Idiots

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:39:54 No.27329426 Report

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>>27328905
>It is RUMORED that a boy with psychic abilities suddenly transformed into KADABRA while he was assisting research into extrasensory powers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:42:02 No.27329444 Report

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>>27329370
Horn Drill absolutely destroys that shark. Even besides that, the average Seaking should be able to take a bite from the average Raticate or Gyarados, who should have greater bite power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Jul 2016 18:49:52 No.27329535 Report

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>>27328098
>This is an implied creator deity I don't think you realise how much power it should have at full power.

t. Christian, Jew or Muslim with no knowledge of pre-abrahamic religions and gods

Read the Iliad or the Odyssey. Pagan Gods (like the Pokemon gods) were just people with superpowers. They took time to do things, they had lineages and could be even be harmed by mortals. However, they're still directlu responsible for the creation and management of the universe and it's elements (like the sea).

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