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The fuck is up with fire?

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:17:42 No.27426705 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>27426727 >>27426732 >>27426997 >>27427037 >>27427207 >>27427669

Someone better explain to me why a type based around such a weak and frail thing that is fire is the objectively second best defensive typing, even moreso than an ACTUALLY defensive typing like poison?!

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:22:10 No.27426725 Report

Quoted By: >>27426776

Fire was a pretty middle of the road typing until Gen 6 where they made it resist Fairy for no good reason.

My theory is GF buffed Fire so that Mega Zard X would take neutral damage from fairies. If GF actually gave a shit about type balance, Grass would be the one resisting Fairy, but pushing Charizard takes precedent over that, clearly.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:22:25 No.27426727 Report

Quoted By: >>27426817 >>27427049

>>27426705

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:23:13 No.27426732 Report

Quoted By: >>27426766 >>27426810 >>27426863

>>27426705
Throw water on a fire, it goes out. Throw dirt on a fire, it goes out.

But, throw leaves at a fire, they burn up. Throw bugs at a fire, they burn up. Throw steel at a fire, they melt. Throw ice at a fire, it melts. Throw a fairy at a fire, it burns up.

I would personally advocate for making Fire resist Poison in exchange for making Water weak to Poison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:30:26 No.27426766 Report

Quoted By: >>27426873

>>27426732
The logic leaps for fire are too many. All 6 resistances are explained this way, but that should be made into attacks, not defenses. They could've made fire the best attacker, beating 6 types offensively, and have 5 weaknesses like grass and rock, and it'd be set. Make it weak to, I don't know, dragon? since they use it, and ice since it melts and becomes water? I just think it shouln't be defensively focused, but offensively.

Also, don't make fire more OP please

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:31:53 No.27426776 Report

Quoted By: >>27426810

>>27426725
I think that it's because fairies live in the forest and they can't do much when it burns

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:37:02 No.27426810 Report

Quoted By: >>27426863

>>27426732
>>27426776
>>throw a fairy at a fire, it burns up
You can throw anything at a fire and it'll burn up, going off this logic, fire should be SE on literally everything. It's a flimsy argument.
>>they can't do much when it burns
The same applies to fighting or psychic.

I get you're trying to rationalize GF's decision but no matter how you look at it, theres no way to explain it past GF just wanting fire types (read: Charizard) to be more powerful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:38:33 No.27426817 Report

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>>27426727
This fucking picture needs to be banable

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:42:31 No.27426836 Report

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>>27426817
Not before frogposting

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:44:13 No.27426846 Report

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>>27426817

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:45:29 No.27426852 Report

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Same reason they made Fairy resist bug, so that Gardevoir can be all like, I'm not weak to Bug and stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:47:48 No.27426863 Report

Quoted By: >>27427007

>>27426732
>>27426810
>throw a rock into a fire
>it gets hot
>throw rock at enemy
ouch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:49:36 No.27426873 Report

Quoted By: >>27426880

>>27426766
>but that should be made into attacks, not defenses.
Thats retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:50:59 No.27426880 Report

Quoted By: >>27426909

>>27426873
Why? fire is a frail thing, but it can be used in a bunch of different ways to burn things. If anything it makes more sense for this to be the hyper-offensive type than ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 11:56:36 No.27426909 Report

Quoted By: >>27426968

>>27426880
>fire is a frail thing,
Only in small amounts which would make anything frail but with fire it rages out of control very quickly to the point where you can't douse it and have to let it burn out.
Plus fire type refers to the temperature as well as the actual fire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:07:44 No.27426968 Report

Quoted By: >>27427040

>>27426909
>challenge my friend to a triple battle
>send out my 3 favorite pokemon; darmanitan, magmortar, and mega charizard x
>friend's pokemon uses earthquake
>my fire that raged out of control gets put out
wtf??

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:09:18 No.27426974 Report

Quoted By: >>27426983 >>27427143

is this bait? fire is one of the most offensive types in the game with an average 111 SpA and 99 Atk. The only real defensive fire types that i can think of are heatran, heat rotom, and torkoal (only one of which getting a lot of competitive play).

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:10:56 No.27426983 Report

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>>27426974
>heat doesnt get a lot of play
washfags leave

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:13:49 No.27426997 Report

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>>27426705

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:16:05 No.27427007 Report

Quoted By: >>27427020

>>27426863
that would be extremely painful

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:18:22 No.27427020 Report

Quoted By: >>27427060

>>27427007
You're a big guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:20:16 No.27427037 Report

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>>27426705

>Second best defensive typing
>Fire was an unusable type for a decade except for Heatran because of sneaky pebbles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:21:02 No.27427040 Report

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>>27426968
Throw dirt on a fire and it goes out

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:22:20 No.27427049 Report

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>>27426727

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:24:18 No.27427060 Report

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>>27427020
For you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:28:12 No.27427088 Report

Quoted By: >>27427228

How is Fire a good defensive type? Weak to rocks, weak to ground, weak to Scald? Only good Fire types are Zards, Talonflame, Heatran and Volcanion, Heatran is the only defensive one and that's cos it's got the Steel typing plus Flash Fire, Fire type offers it little to no benefit, possibly even bad for it, outside of its offensive uses such as STAB Lava Plume.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:36:11 No.27427143 Report

Quoted By: >>27427228 >>27427251

>>27426974
Fire has the most resistances after steel. I meant the type, not its pokemon. That's like saying ice is a defensive type because of shit like aavaalug, glalie, glaceon and abomasnow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:45:22 No.27427207 Report

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>>27426705
ROCKS and water everywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:47:36 No.27427228 Report

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>>27427088
>>27427143

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 12:52:18 No.27427251 Report

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>>27427143
I think being weak to the offensively strong rock moves, bulky water types, and tanky ground types balances it out. The only offensively relevant thing it's defensive against is fairy. You could make a case for Bug and Ice, but both of those have other problems way bigger than having a disadvantage against Fire types. Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think most bug and ice types have good synergy with most ground types, anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jul 2016 13:47:39 No.27427669 Report

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>>27426705
It's less the six resists and more the worst possible weaknesses.
>Rock
>Ground
Death sentence put together
>Water
Not a great one to be weak to either.

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