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Timeline of pokemon games (and multiverse things) discussion

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 00:53:51 No.27453013 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>27453097 >>27453134 >>27453274 >>27454753 >>27455742

So, the timeline has alternate worlds and ORAS proves it yadda yadda. Things are still kinds bizarre since people in one game reference a future game in the timeline and shit.

Is it a plot hole? Multiverse theory working here somehow? Something else?

Did anyone actually manage to piece the timeline together? Will we need a Hyrule Storia again?

Also, why are Cynthia and Looker the only guys that appear in a bunch of games as if they are time/dimension hoppers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 00:57:45 No.27453070 Report

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Easiest way to prove that ORAS still comes before XY is Mr. Bonding's origin story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 00:59:19 No.27453097 Report

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>>27453013
If you believe the alt universe theory then ruby should be equal to red and OR below ruby

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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 00:59:44 No.27453107 Report

Quoted By: >>27453147

Ok look, forget what you know about the multiverse shit, this is how it goes;

Gen 1 = Gen 3 -> 3 year gap -> Gen 2 = Gen 4 -> ??? Year Gap -> Black & White -> 2 year gap -> B2/W2 = Gen 6

Now following this, all you need to understand is that the most recent version of a Gen game is the go-to one in terms of canon.

For example, the canon version of Gen 1 is Fr/Lg, and the canon version of Gen 4 is Platinum.

>But what about the alternate timelines that Zinnia said?
A nod to RSE and how they didn't have Mega Evolution in them. B/W already acknowledge version differences being alternate universes. It's no big deal. The timeline doesn't change.

>But what about Fairy Typing?
Same shit as Steel and Dark showing up in Gen 2, with typings (IE; Magnemite) being changed then. Just a simple retcon.

Hope this helps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 01:00:34 No.27453120 Report

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Not really a plothole - Just means that in their universe, that stuff exists. Also means Cynthia and Looker are constants through many realities

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 01:01:31 No.27453134 Report

Quoted By: >>27454000 >>27454070

>>27453013

How old are Red, Blue and Green/leaf during Pokémon X and Y time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 01:02:09 No.27453147 Report

Quoted By: >>27453308 >>27453357

>>27453107
Didnt they make a point in X/Y storyline about how Fairy was a new type though?

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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 01:08:49 No.27453274 Report

Quoted By: >>27454631

>>27453013

It's not an Multiverse.

Just two parallel timelines.

In Ruby and Sapphire - No Ultimate Weapon and No 3,000 year War.

In Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire - 3,000 war, ultimate weapon and Mega evolution is discovered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 01:10:38 No.27453308 Report

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>>27453147
They also implied Mega's were fairly new and that Aerodactyl was a Primal reversion.

Game Freak makes it up as they go along. When they made OR/AS, they needed to explain Fairies/Megas existing from the starting point of the Pokémon timeline, so they retconned in an explanation that those things have always existed. Then they had Zinnia throw in a little nod to the old Mega-less games, explaining them as a parallel universe.

Unfortunately this nod made people ridiculously confused, believing Gen 6 as a whole was completely not canon to the old games, and that it was an entirely new timeline, despite multiple connections and references to the other games, and the developers themselves confirming that Gen 6 is intended to be in the main (and only) Pokémon timeline.

To explain why Mega Evolution not being in the other games, well we have an answer;

Hoenn only has Mega Stones due to a meteorite crashing. Kalos had them for centuries, although the stones were much rarer. Colress in B2/W2 was looking for a method to bring out a Pokémon's true potential. An NPC in X/Y says he came to Kalos after hearing about Mega Evolution.

So effectively, Kanto/Johto/Sinnoh/Unova don't have Mega's because they had no contact with the rare Megastones from the Meteors. Even in Origins, Red receives a Mega Stone, and it's the only one in Kanto.

But with Sycamore being the first professional researcher on Mega's, they can now probably freely have Mega's being more known in future games, explaining any future Mega's in games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 01:12:38 No.27453357 Report

Quoted By: >>27453822

>>27453147
In gen 2, they claim that Togepi is the first ever discovered Pokemon egg, despite random NPCs talking about how they hatch eggs all the time. You just have to accept that Pokemon has continuity errors, since the timeline stuff is just a background thing for fun.

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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 01:37:35 No.27453822 Report

Quoted By: >>27453893

>>27453357
>togepi as first discovered egg
the hell

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 01:41:50 No.27453893 Report

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>>27453822
The Togepi egg you get at the beginning is the first ever discovered Pokemon egg. When it hatches, Elm's reaction is "oh, so Pokemon hatch out of eggs!" HGSS changed it to just being a strange egg he wanted to research.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 01:48:15 No.27454000 Report

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>>27453134
at least 25

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 01:52:24 No.27454070 Report

Quoted By: >>27454444

>>27453134
Red and Blue are approximately 20 at the time of X/Y.

They were 11 in Gen 1, 14 in Gen 2, and then there's an unknown time skip but it's believed to be about 3-6 years, putting them at 17-20. Then another 2 years because of the B2/W2 time skip, making Red and Blue 19-22.

And "Green" isn't Canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:12:27 No.27454444 Report

Quoted By: >>27454576

>>27454070
How old is gold in gen 2?

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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:21:00 No.27454576 Report

Quoted By: >>27454874 >>27454989

>>27454444
The only age confirmations are;

>Red
Confirmed 11 in the Guidebook

>May/Brendan
Confirmed 12 in OR/AS

>Hilda/Hilbert
Stated to be slightly older than usual by the creators, the Manga puts them at 16

>Calem/Serena
Said to be just slightly older than Emma, they match the previous games as being 16.

So the only OFFICIALLY unconfirmed ages are Ethan/Lyra, Lucas/Dawn, and Rosa/Nate. The first 4 are almost certainly 12, seeing as they match the body types of May/Brendan. They probably can't be older because they emphasized Hilda/Hilbert were a few years older than previous protagonists. Rosa/Nate look slightly older, but not quite as old as Hilda/Hilbert, which is fitting because the Manga claims them to be 14. So those are probably the best guesses for those characters.

Based on the Sun and Moon characters, it appears that we're going back to the younger characters, following on from OR/AS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:24:00 No.27454631 Report

Quoted By: >>27455620

>>27453274
So, one timeline with megas, and another without megas, that simple?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:31:26 No.27454753 Report

Quoted By: >>27454792

>>27453013

Classic timeline
1996-1997 Kanto story (RGB) & Hoenn story?
1999-2000 Johto story (GSC) & Sinnoh story?
2010 Unova story?
2012-2013 Unova2 story? & Kalos story?
2016 Alola story?

Modern timeline
1996-1997 Kanto story (FRLG) & Hoenn story (RSE)
1999-2000 Johto story (HGSS) & Sinnoh story (DPPt)
2010 Unova story (BW)
2012-2013 Unova2 story (BW2) & Kalos story?
2016 Alola story?

Mega timeline
1996-1997 Kanto story? & Hoenn story (ORAS)
1999-2000 Johto story? & Sinnoh story?
2010 Unova story?
2012-2013 Unova2 story? & Kalos story (XY)
2016 Alola story? (SM)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:33:43 No.27454792 Report

Quoted By: >>27454967

>>27454753
>DPP
>1999-2000

Just
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:38:48 No.27454874 Report

Quoted By: >>27454890 >>27454989

>>27454576
Hilda and Hilbert probably aren't 16 in the games. In a Famitsu interview they're said to be middle school age, which 16 is a bit much for, and Masuda said in a random fan interview that them + Cheren and Bianca are 14.

So I'd put all the Gen V protagonists as 14 at the time of their own game.

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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:39:42 No.27454890 Report

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>>27454874
Oh, ok, that makes more sense then. Thanks for the info

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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:44:56 No.27454967 Report

Quoted By: >>27455029 >>27455566

>>27454792
YES

"≈" means this

XY was put on sale at 2013, BW2? 2012
Unova2≈Kalos = 2012-2013

Red were 11 and Brendan 12? Just they are same age, 11 in 1996 and 12 in 1997
Kanto≈Hoenn = 1996-1997

So
Johto≈Sinnoh = 1999-2000

You know, Hoenn distanced Kanto more than Sinnoh distanced Johto, but doesnt matter

Red adventure starts 1996 - Brendan adventure ends 1997
Gold adventure starts 1999 - Lucas adventure ends 2000
Nate adventure starts 2012 - Calm adventure ends 2013

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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:46:17 No.27454989 Report

Quoted By: >>27455029

>>27454874
>>27454890
>>27454576

Just see
>>27417518

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:48:28 No.27455029 Report

Quoted By: >>27455153

>>27454967
The timeline doesn't match up with real world dates you dingus, or else Dawn somehow has a timetravelling Wii.

>>27454989
This is a load of bullshit, the S/M protagonists have the exact same body shape as May/Brendan. In fact the girl actually looks younger if you ask me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:48:56 No.27455043 Report

Quoted By: >>27455119

>>27453308
Was Mega Aerodactyl considered a Primal Reversion? I thought they figured M-Aero to be "the true form" of Aerodactyl and that the revived ones are impure revivals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:52:25 No.27455119 Report

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>>27455043
An NPC in X/Y speculates Aerodactyl is what it originally looked like, and even claimed it to be it's "Primal Form".

Then OR/AS added actual Primal forms, and despite them literally just being Mega's with a new name, they didn't include Aerodactyl or any other Pokémon as Primal Reversions. A real missed opportunity.

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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 02:54:44 No.27455153 Report

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>>27455029
>exact same body shape as May/Brendan
Are you retard? See the fucking poke ball
Calm body size = Hau body size
Calm age = Hau age = Elio age
Calm age = Elio age

>or else Dawn somehow has a timetravelling Wii
>not an argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 03:06:24 No.27455353 Report

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The wii is actually a rotom!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 03:20:34 No.27455566 Report

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>>27454967

Red and Blue = 14 years old (Pokemon Red and Blue game manual)
Ethan and Lyra in = 14 years old (Red/Blue's age)
Brendan and May = 15 years old (Pokenav Plus info)
Lucas and Dawn = 11/10 years old? (Pokedex reveals that they are smaller than Ethan/Lyra)
Hilbert and Hilda = 14 years old (Famitsu info)
Nate and Rosa = 14 years old (Hilbert/Hilda's age)
Calem and Serena = 17 years old (deduction according to Xerosic data)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 03:23:35 No.27455620 Report

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>>27454631

In one timeline - Mega evolution is unknown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 03:31:58 No.27455742 Report

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>>27453013
Well Looker looks like David Tenant so he might be able to travel through time, space and dimensions.

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