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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:01:24 No.27458202 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>27458238 >>27458296 >>27458322 >>27459488 >>27460767

>90% of competitive movesets require an adamant nature

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:02:35 No.27458232 Report

Quoted By: >>27458635

Literally, figuratively and objectively false.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:02:45 No.27458238 Report

Quoted By: >>27458270

>>27458202
More like a mix between adamant/jolly/modest/timid

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:04:44 No.27458270 Report

Quoted By: >>27458303

>>27458238
>not using the ever so rare but underestimated sassy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:06:03 No.27458296 Report

Quoted By: >>27459583

>>27458202
i dont mind the nature i just want a proud of its power lucario

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:06:37 No.27458303 Report

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>>27458270
Sassy is actually used on things like avalugg.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:08:05 No.27458322 Report

Quoted By: >>27459472

>>27458202

Base 100 speed and below, it's fine to run Adamant/Modest

Any higher than base 100, and you need Jolly/Timid

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:10:45 No.27458381 Report

Quoted By: >>27458422

any nature that's not neutral or +defense -another defense are useful somewhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:13:09 No.27458422 Report

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>>27458381
-defence natures in general are shit. Only time I can think of that being beneficial is on a mixed sweeper that needs speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:23:08 No.27458635 Report

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>>27458232
Nah, OP is right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:27:15 No.27458719 Report

Quoted By: >>27458844

>Gen 7
>Natures now give +10%, +5%, -5%, and -10% to a stat

How does this change the meta?

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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:28:31 No.27458735 Report

Quoted By: >>27458803 >>27458826 >>27460497

>dragonair with an eviolite has more def and sp. def than dragonite

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:32:05 No.27458803 Report

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>>27458735
>but less in every other stat and no item slot

what is the problem here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:33:19 No.27458826 Report

Quoted By: >>27459278

>>27458735
Are you forgetting about Mystic Scale or whatever it's called?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 06:34:30 No.27458844 Report

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>>27458719

Pretty much the same, except speedymons will have a little more powerful attack power while strongmons get a little faster. Everyone will just dump the -5% stat into whichever defense stat they think is less necessary or whichever one was complete shit to begin with.

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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 07:09:35 No.27459278 Report

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>>27458826
Multiscale you cuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 07:33:28 No.27459472 Report

Quoted By: >>27460505

>>27458322

Except Talonflame. At that speed tier it runs Adamant and outspeeds base 110's. Sure there are a few faster things you'd like the option of hitting with non priority Fire STAB (Raikou, Thundurus), but it gets the job done for the most part and hits like a goddamn truck alongside Sharp Beak/Band.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 07:37:50 No.27459488 Report

Quoted By: >>27459499

>>27458202
You what?
Mixed sweepers always run -defenses.
Some sweepers need +speed more than the damage boost.
Trick room mons run -speed.
And sometimes you'll run a mixed wall with -either attack, if not speed

Aside from the neutral natures, they all have uses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 07:39:29 No.27459499 Report

Quoted By: >>27459531

>>27459488
Neutral nature is useful on certain Yveltal sets since it wants every stat

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 07:44:54 No.27459531 Report

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>>27459499
Not really
You're almost always better off running speed+ or and then taking a hit to either defense
I can't think of anything that would actually prefer neutral

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 07:51:28 No.27459583 Report

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>>27458296
But Impish Lucario has better stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 09:36:54 No.27460450 Report

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All use jolly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 09:42:54 No.27460497 Report

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>>27458735
This is true for almost every second-stage Pokémon compared to their evolved form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 09:43:46 No.27460505 Report

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>>27459472

I actually run a Talonflame with absolutely no investment in speed and it works surprisingly well, the extra bulk gives it much more staying power than usual and most of what you need to hit with Flare Blitz is fairly slow anyway.

Also yeah, OP doesn't know shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 10:09:01 No.27460726 Report

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Porygon 2 eviolite > Porygon Z +leftovers/normal gem

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Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 10:14:28 No.27460767 Report

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>>27458202
Those who are gentle and lax have no place in this world

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 11:54:19 No.27461562 Report

Quoted By: >>27462550

>Special: Timid, Modest
>Physical: Jolly, Adamant
>Mixed attacker: Naive, Hasty
>Defensive: Impish, Careful, Calm, Bold
>Trick Room: Brave, Relaxed, Quiet, Sassy

That about sums up all the useful natures I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 13:01:48 No.27462550 Report

Quoted By: >>27462589

>>27461562
Is there any pokemon that benefits from a neutral nature?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 13:03:59 No.27462589 Report

Quoted By: >>27462669

>>27462550
It would have to be a mixed attacker who's fast and has just enough defenses to where they would be at a huge advantage in their meta if either stat dropped by 10%.

Given that unlikely scenario ever existing, it's there will always be one stat you don't need as much as the other 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 13:07:48 No.27462669 Report

Quoted By: >>27464196

>>27462589
Semi-unrelated question, why are some EV spreads:
252 atk, 252 spd, 4 sp.def
why not:
252 atk, 252 spd, 4 hp

I thought 4 hp EVs were equivalent to 4 sp.def and 4 def EVs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Aug 2016 13:39:52 No.27464196 Report

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>>27462669
I believe it's to keep the HP at a number that gives it the most amount of Stealth Rock switch ins.

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