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Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 18:56:26 No.27526969 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>27527900 >>27528520 >>27528594 >>27528625 >>27529571 >>27529618 >>27530615 >>27530685

What's the point of Bug type?
Every other type has some kind of niche, even if it isn't properly balance, but Bug just seems to be designed specifically to be worthless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 18:59:49 No.27527025 Report

Quoted By: >>27527058 >>27527105 >>27530952

Bug type has been fine since Heracross showed up

Game freak really does try to cripple them unnecessarily though, especially by making them weak to Fairy for absolutely no reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 19:01:28 No.27527058 Report

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>>27527025
Fairy resists bug, but big isn't weak to fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 19:02:46 No.27527087 Report

Quoted By: >>27527105 >>27527186 >>27528520

Don't you mean Ice? There are quite a few very good Bug types (Scizor), but absolutely no good Ice type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 19:03:38 No.27527105 Report

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>>27527025
>>27527087
Aren't Heracross, Pinsir, and Beedrill only relevant due to having Megas?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 19:03:38 No.27527106 Report

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It's actually pretty decent. Two really useful resistances offset by two pretty vital weaknesses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 19:08:10 No.27527186 Report

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>>27527087
I'm talking about the typing not the Pokemon within the type and how they're balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 19:46:44 No.27527900 Report

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>>27526969
there was a time in gen 5 when I had the number 1 ranked mono type OU team on pokemon online for a while and it was mono bug. It's actually pretty good because of their movesets and abilities. Volbeat with prankster, encore, t wave, tail glow, and baton pass was an underrated lead and yanmega in conjunction with that will sweep a team no problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 20:18:07 No.27528520 Report

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>>27526969
It was my understanding that the whole point of bug types is that they evolve extremely early compared to other types (usually before level 15 for the regional ones), so they are useful for early game.

>>27527087
>What is Weavile

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 20:20:03 No.27528554 Report

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>>27528520
>so they are useful for early game.
That actually makes a lot of sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 20:21:51 No.27528594 Report

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>>27526969

Bug catching is what inspired Pokemon, so they probably feel they have to include bugs that tap into Japanese summer nostalgia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 20:22:45 No.27528612 Report

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>>27527105
Heracross was relevant before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 20:23:39 No.27528625 Report

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>>27526969
Bugs were originally meant to defeat psychic types alongside ghosts. However, when the time came to make psychic types weaker, GF decided it was better to make up a new type called "dark" than to buff bugs against psychic. This led to the downward spiral that has led to today.

This is not unlike how when the time came to slow down the power of dragons, they made up a new type called "fairy" instead of working with the Ice they already had.

In short, GF would rather make up new shit than work with what they already have. This leads to shit being neglected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 20:26:50 No.27528677 Report

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They're the only ones that can set up sticky web

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:09:37 No.27529525 Report

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Just because you have a problem with them, it don't you gotta make it everyone's problem. Get off your high horse you drama queen. This is a perfect example of blaming the world rather than doing something about it. Train up, junior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:11:24 No.27529566 Report

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>>27527105
Heracross is better without the mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:11:34 No.27529571 Report

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>>27526969
The point is to have a type specifically for well-designed Pokémon.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:13:47 No.27529618 Report

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>>27526969
They're cute.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:18:23 No.27529711 Report

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I think this is a bug thread now.
Post bugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:20:09 No.27529753 Report

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>>27529566
Stop it with this meme. Maybe in terms of design, but in competitive the Mega shits all over normal Heracross.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:20:43 No.27529770 Report

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Actually, I guess this was a bug thread from the get go, just post pictures while you discuss if you could.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:22:17 No.27529807 Report

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Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:24:31 No.27529866 Report

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Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:33:17 No.27530072 Report

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>>27528625
see
>>27528520

It seems pretty evident that GF doesn't balance every pokemon around the fully-trained min-maxed competitive metagame. It's a game originally designed for kids, so providing interesting and varied options for the purposes of playing through the game itself is important to that end. Obviously they've noticed and supported the competitive scene at least to some extent, but that is not the only thing they have to worry about.

Even ignoring all of that, a Bug type is thematically probably one of the easiest things to design for. Why would you ignore something so easy to generate ideas for?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:47:06 No.27530446 Report

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Huh? Bugs worthless?
Have you ever used any outside those from Viridian Forest etc.?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:54:53 No.27530615 Report

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>>27526969
but bugs are awesome

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 21:57:49 No.27530685 Report

Quoted By: >>27531107

>>27526969
the only actually worthless bug is ledian. which is a shame, because i like its design a lot.

also maybe butterfree because now it's just a shittier vivillion.

also to answer your question, satoshi tajiri was too much of an aspie to interact with humans so he just caught bugs all day and that was the basis for 'mon in the first place

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 22:11:37 No.27530952 Report

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>>27527025
Except that's exactly the problem: Heracross is literally the only viable bug type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Aug 2016 22:19:11 No.27531107 Report

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>>27530685
Butterfree will always be my bro no matter how shitty he is. I like slinging powders around.

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