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Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 12:01:22 No.28050137 View View Reply Original Report

What went wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 12:02:25 No.28050148 Report

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not much
kanto went a little too fast i guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 12:02:45 No.28050152 Report

Quoted By: >>28059161

>>28050137
They didn't produce enough copies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 12:03:08 No.28050158 Report

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Kanto was a bit empty and a steamroll. Could have had some kind of story-line going on.

That's about it. They're the best Pokemon games of all time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 12:04:57 No.28050176 Report

Quoted By: >>28050809 >>28050878

didn't fix any problems and added shit minigames instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 12:05:26 No.28050181 Report

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>>28050137
Johto not feeling like a region and Kanto a bit to empty ? And the levels for the pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 12:11:51 No.28050233 Report

Quoted By: >>28050930

>>28050137
Too expensive to produce enough copies, resulting in the most hilariously overpriced mainline games to date.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:00:45 No.28050762 Report

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Level scaling. That is all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:03:00 No.28050792 Report

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>>28050137
it's slow and the level scaling is a joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:04:34 No.28050809 Report

Quoted By: >>28058907

>>28050176
>pokeathlon
>shit

It's easily the best side thing in any Pokemon game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:06:38 No.28050833 Report

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>>28050137
I did a Nuzlocke and didn't get a single Johto mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:11:12 No.28050878 Report

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>>28050176
It fixed Mon availability and had great mini games

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:13:29 No.28050902 Report

Quoted By: >>28051032

>>28050137
They gave us the simple joy of following pokemon and then took it away forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:16:16 No.28050930 Report

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>>28050233
>tries to buy game on Amazon and Ebay
>costs as much as a console video game back in the 80's and 90's
These fuckers are the reason why emulation exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:17:20 No.28050949 Report

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>>28050137
Oh, I get it. Everyone loves HGSS so you're trying to be edgy by disliking it. Wow, how unique.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:22:30 No.28051011 Report

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>>28050949
It's just a question, autisimo.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:23:29 No.28051032 Report

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>>28050902
why did they do this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:25:44 No.28051059 Report

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>>28050930
And those listings are, most of the time, used games with regular-to-worn condition boxes, no manuals, no Pokewalker, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:25:49 No.28051062 Report

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level scaling, holy shit. im doing a playthrough and had to cheese morty by using a miltank with surf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:28:10 No.28051087 Report

Quoted By: >>28051123 >>28051176

main charcter design

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:30:38 No.28051119 Report

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Yeah, level scaling is a big problem, and it has 2 regions, but neither is like fully realized.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:30:47 No.28051123 Report

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>>28051087
This one I'll give you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:32:35 No.28051142 Report

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>>28050137
Pretty much nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:34:51 No.28051176 Report

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>>28051087
shit taste

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:36:59 No.28051217 Report

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Em..... Nothing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:38:34 No.28051242 Report

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>>28050137
kanto was fucking void. apart from that, nothing. best in the series

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 13:41:36 No.28051293 Report

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>>28050137
Level curve is still the worst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 14:04:26 No.28051556 Report

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should have been kris as fem protag not lyra

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 14:19:03 No.28051724 Report

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Getting rid of Red's Espeon, having hail during the entire battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 14:21:53 No.28051757 Report

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>>28050137

>Lyra
>Not fixing the level curve or Pokemon distribution from G/S
>Kanto is now even easier and you run through it in a few hours max
>The new music was on the meh side
>Great setpieces but kinda barren apart from that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 14:40:24 No.28051970 Report

Quoted By: >>28052003 >>28053131

Introduced pokemon following you now no one will shut up about having it in the next game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 14:43:23 No.28052003 Report

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>>28051970
I honestly don't get the big deal of pokemon following you.

If it means they spend time on some other mechanic or feature, I'm 100% for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 14:45:39 No.28052031 Report

Quoted By: >>28053540 >>28054087 >>28056367 >>28056985 >>28057384 >>28057766 >>28058811

>Slow
>Didn't fix the levels at all
>Kanto is still bad
>unlike FRLG the music is ruined besides Ecruteak
>Ugly tall grass
>Poorly executed Safari Zone
>gross redesigns of Gold and Sabrina and no fucking Kris
>copypasta Battle Frontier
>no modern version of the original opening sequence
>only one Masterball
>forced to encounter Lugia/Ho-oh

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 14:47:38 No.28052053 Report

Quoted By: >>28054134

>>28050137
should have made the actual gen 2 pokemon moe accessible and pevilant thought the games.

e.g - why does the fist and second gym leaders use no johto pokemon?

why are SO many johto pokemon innacessible until the POST game - e.g lavitar, houndour, sneasel, and more. many are also pre-evolutions of pokemon families not even readily available, and some pokemon are unique or so rare dont even bother getting them, as they are one offs, or gotten at so lo a level to late in game,

why not have cleffa, igglybuff, elekid, magby, pichu, tyrogue (again hitmontop + postgame), smoochum, and likely more available early on, so you actually have a fucking chance of getting
them or their fully evolved family line?

ALL of the above are issues with original GS that i had hoped would be fixed yet wasnt

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 14:55:42 No.28052149 Report

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>>28050137

Pretty hard to buy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 15:10:59 No.28052366 Report

Quoted By: >>28054002

My dudes I made a bit of cash with pokemania reboot.
Bough HG for $70, sold for $220
Bough HG for $150, sold for $135 but kept case and pokewalker (plus the game was semi-fault, but buyer was ok with it)
Bough HG for $125 sold for $190
Bough SS for $125 sold for $150

Aaaand got my own copy of HG for $30, and SS for $44.

Did they really not have enough copies originally?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 15:47:03 No.28052869 Report

Quoted By: >>28052894

Poor leveling curve
Poor mon distribution
Voltorb flip couldn't hold my interest
Everything about Kanto
Rocket team was shit
Ho-oh/lugia were underwhelming; there was no buildup. You got a feather and some girls danced
Everything about silver; kinda got better at literally the very end
Pokeathalon was good
Following pokemon was cool
Event pichu/celebi/arceus were cool if you got them
Pretty good graphics
Suicune side quest was good
Old music radio was cool
That picture taker on the island was neat and dressing up like rocket was neat
Good but not the best pokemon games

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 15:49:14 No.28052894 Report

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>>28052869
Oh and I was a little disappointed you didn't get the egg that had a baby pokemon with a high chance of being a shiny

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 16:04:27 No.28053131 Report

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>>28051970
It should come back!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 16:30:25 No.28053513 Report

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>>28050137
wild mon levels were a bit low
you should have recieved GB sounds earlier

other than that they're my favorite games in the franchise

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 16:31:58 No.28053540 Report

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>>28052031
>>copypasta Battle Frontier
but anon, how do you improve perfection?

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Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 16:33:45 No.28053565 Report

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What's the BEST Pokemon game in terms of features and enjoyment and why

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 16:57:30 No.28053922 Report

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>>28050137

>Level Scailing was still poop (even if they did improve it somewhat for the Kanto portion of the game). Makes it hard/a slog to train because you're still fightin unevolved level 20's at the 7th gym and with huge level differences between Lance/Red and everyone else made grinding dreadful
>STILL couldn't catch a Houndour until after the Elite 4
>Johto Safari Zone was an interesting concept but absolute shit in execution (seriously, gotta wait 80 days for a fucking Beldum)
>a good chunk of the music got butchered, and couldn't even get the GB sounds until after a point where it's near useless
>forced legendary side plot, i guess (i personally don't care, but some did mind this so I'll add it anyway)
>getting calls from trainers for non-bullshit was still a test of patience and RNG
>swarms got delegated to post credits so you'd have to deal with that 1% to catch a snubble/yanma

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 17:00:01 No.28053959 Report

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>>28050137
All the games that came after it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 17:02:56 No.28054002 Report

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>>28052366
>Someone bought a handheld game, cart only, for 135$ dollars while knowing it's defective
Holy shit slow down Rabbi Goldstein

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 17:07:23 No.28054087 Report

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>>28052031
>Slow
Felt much faster than most other games to me actually
>Kanto is still bad
It's much better than it was in GSC.
>unlike FRLG the music is ruined besides Ecruteak
Disagree
>Ugly tall grass
Disagree
>Poorly executed Safari Zone
At least they tried something new.
>gross redesigns of Gold and Sabrina and no fucking Kris
Who the fuck is Sabrina? And who gives a fuck about Kris? How is this an actual complaint...
>copypasta Battle Frontier
Instead of nothing. Seems like a fair tradeoff to me.
>no modern version of the original opening sequence
That would've been cool. What did they use for the opening again?
>only one Masterball
Like in all other Pokemon games?
>forced to encounter Lugia/Ho-oh
I think it's nice that they tied the legendaries into the story. Makes them feel more relevant instead of just randomly being there for no reason like 80% of legendaries in Pokemon games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 17:07:50 No.28054094 Report

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>>28050137
18 fps

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 17:09:20 No.28054134 Report

Quoted By: >>28056092

>>28052053
why are SO many johto pokemon innacessible until the POST game - e.g lavitar, houndour, sneasel, and more. many are also pre-evolutions of pokemon families not even readily available, and some pokemon are unique or so rare dont even bother getting them, as they are one offs, or gotten at so lo a level to late in game,

They actually fixed that with the Safari Zone. Larvitar and Houndour are both available there before the post-game.
Dunno about Sneasel, but isn't it in the ice tunnel?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 17:10:25 No.28054161 Report

Quoted By: >>28058886

>>28050137
They were TOO faithful to the original versions meaning they didn't fix the levels or pokemon distribution. For me really that's all it was.

Everything else great

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 18:59:34 No.28055976 Report

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>>28050137
The level scaling got stupid. The games kinda punish you for training a team of 6, and you'd be better off carrying less just so you're not underleveled.

Other then that, they're fantastic remakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 19:05:01 No.28056092 Report

Quoted By: >>28059150

>>28054134
>Safari Zone
Now I'm not exaclty imparcial because I always hated the fucking safari zone gameplay (seriously is there anyone that enjoys that random shit?) but you need a bunch of objects and wait some time to have most of the pokemons avaliable. To get Gible for example you need to wait like 100 days, and at that point you probably stopped playing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 19:13:00 No.28056263 Report

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>>28050137

What killed it for me was the poor distribution of mon's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 19:16:50 No.28056334 Report

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I hate the styles of games past Gen 3. Too "clunky" feeling and the music composition went down the toilet. Personal opinion though. I need to get off my ass and sell my HeartGold version sometime. Maybe if I wait longer it'll get rarer/more expensive though, who knows. Still got the box/manuals/Pokewalker and shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 19:18:41 No.28056367 Report

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>>28052031
Totally feeling you on
>slow
>music
>gold redesign
>opening sequence

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 19:20:37 No.28056409 Report

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Main story was a breeze.
Kanto felt boring and nothing to do other than an extra set of gyms.
That's it for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 19:37:22 No.28056661 Report

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>>28050137
your birth ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 19:52:53 No.28056985 Report

Quoted By: >>28057093

>>28052031
Slow and fast are the new forced memes people love to use to shit on the games depending when one of the terms comes handy.

>using master ball ever

>muh redesigns
Basically 2 mediocre redesigns for 20 great ones? Wow!

Also Battle Frontier tutors used Battlr Points as they should have in Sinnoh, made it much better, including the moves selection. Also the IVs trainers appeared in the battle facilities.

I'm surprised nobody has pointed at how annoying and outdated the phone system was instead. The phone remarches had an improvement in giving some gym leaders amd characters more personality amd details but the scheduled calls and rematches were absolute cancer, the teams were nice beside the E4 rematch garbage but the time wasted to find time for specific battles and items was enraging.

They could have kept the the Battle Search VS app since Gen 3, Platinum.is still god tier in terms of rematches where you can basically rematch the same trainers at any time and will, sadly the ones found in caves are forever forgotten. The phone really should have been a side tool and not so centered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 19:57:08 No.28057093 Report

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>>28056985
Also the Safari Zone beside being debatable at least made Cianwood relevant and added some nice extra routes and breathtaking locations.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 20:10:12 No.28057384 Report

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>>28052031
>copypasta battle frontier
copypasta battle frontier is still better copypasta battle maison you little shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 20:28:21 No.28057766 Report

Quoted By: >>28058118

As everyone has mentioned, they didn't fix the level scaling or Pokemon distribution. I would have fixed the gym leaders, too:

>Falkner
Murkrow, Pidgeotto
>Bugsy
Yanma, Ariados (HG), Ledian (SS), Scyther
>Whitney
Clefairy, Snubbull, Miltank
>Morty
Haunter, Misdreavus, Gengar
>Chuck
Tyrogue, Primeape, Heracross, Poliwrath
>Whitney
Magneton, Skarmory, Steelix
>Pryce
Delibird, Dewgong, Sneasel, Piloswine
>Claire
Dragonair, Dragonair, Gyarados, Kingdra

>>28052031
>unlike FRLG the music is ruined
>unlike FRLG
GBA sounded like complete shit and FRLG suffered for it. HGSS sounds good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 20:47:08 No.28058118 Report

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>>28057766
>HGSS sounds good.
bad taste detected

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 21:17:32 No.28058811 Report

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>>28052031
>ugly tall grass

Literally the only game where the tall grass doesn't look like individual shrubs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 21:19:19 No.28058850 Report

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>>28050137
They didn't change much of the problems that gen 2 already had.
Other than that, it was a pretty solid remake. Nice nice color pallet, allowed GB sounds if you didn't like the remixes and the sprite work was very nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 21:20:52 No.28058886 Report

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>>28054161
They actually added more places to get Pokemon (i.e. you can get Mareep much earlier)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 21:22:06 No.28058907 Report

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>>28050809
Agreed, GF bring this shit back

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 21:34:32 No.28059150 Report

Quoted By: >>28059865

>>28056092
The rare Sinnoh Mons take long but the Johto ones don't. I caught a Marill in game and evolved it in the route right outside it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 21:35:07 No.28059161 Report

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>>28050152
/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 22:09:36 No.28059865 Report

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>>28059150
But Marill can be caught earlier than that anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 22:23:28 No.28060138 Report

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>>28050137
Kanto. Lamest region.

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