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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:28:43 No.28086088 View View Reply Original Report

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So what exactly are the unknown?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:30:10 No.28086115 Report

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>>28086088
*Unown

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:30:16 No.28086118 Report

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>>28086088
>unknown

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:31:58 No.28086140 Report

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Pokemon.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:32:24 No.28086149 Report

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>>28086088
We don't no!

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:33:41 No.28086167 Report

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>>28086149

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:40:20 No.28086271 Report

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>>28086088
Part of Arceus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:48:20 No.28086392 Report

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>>28086088
Well a ghost can possess a sand castle so I imagine they're the uneaten alphabet soup of some autist who drowned in his soup

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:50:36 No.28086440 Report

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>>28086088
They would have been legendaries had Johto come later.

Especially since they helped Arceus create the universe

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:53:02 No.28086491 Report

Quoted By: >>28086507 >>28086539 >>28086598 >>28087537

>Unown will never get Schooling as a hidden ability
>you will never fight with all 26 Unown at once as a single, overpowered Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:53:46 No.28086507 Report

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>>28086491
Fuck you anon now I want this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:55:11 No.28086539 Report

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>>28086491
>get an item after you catch all 26 Unown that changes it's ability to Schooling
This is what Unown was made for and they're gonna squander it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:56:35 No.28086565 Report

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Someone's halfassed idea of an English cypher puzzle that drove a bunch of writers nuts trying to come up with a reason for it. Probably the same ones who wrote the game manual and just copied pieces of it into the original games passed off as dialog.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:56:43 No.28086569 Report

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>>28086440
Legendaries are weird in that there are either only one of them are very very few of them. There are tons of Unown, they're pretty common despite their purpose as far as the lore goes.

Starters are closer to Legendaries than they are.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:59:02 No.28086594 Report

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This is my 2nd attempt at a Lillie thread. You guys don't know a real waifu when you see one. Now post dem Lillies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:59:10 No.28086595 Report

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They're living glyphs. Instead of humans inventing their own writing system, it was taught to them by the unown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 03:59:28 No.28086598 Report

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>>28086088
Arceus's 1,000 arms

>>28086440
>They would have been legendaries had Johto come later.

Kek, maybe.

>>28086491
I recall someone suggesting this in another thread. I don't know if you got the idea from them or on your own, but it sounds like a good idea. I've thought for a long time about the Unown finally uniting in battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 04:11:53 No.28086765 Report

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>>28086569
It would have been a twist on legendaries, similar to Gen 4's breedable legendary.

>>28086594
Fuck off iphonefag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 04:49:24 No.28087265 Report

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>>28086271
>>28086440
>>28086598

Where does this connection to Arceus come from?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 04:51:32 No.28087297 Report

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>>28086088
one theory suggests they are the actual fabric of space and time, Palkia and Dialga battling *sorry if I got their names wrong* Is tearing the universe apart and you can see Unown getting blasted away, they also help 're-create' one of the two in egg form in hg/ss if you have an arceus.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 04:58:07 No.28087381 Report

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>>28087297
>>28086598
>>28086271

Nope. Arceus was alone when it created the Universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 04:58:23 No.28087383 Report

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>>28087265
The Sinjoh ruins which are found from the ruins of Alph if you bring an Arceus to it in HGSS. Arceus does some shit and makes an egg

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 04:58:38 No.28087389 Report

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>>28087297
The theory I had is if Arceus is the Creator God of the universe, unowns are, collectively, the Word of God. They are God's will which gives shape to the universe, and certain mythical (unknowable) combinations are holy words of immense power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 04:59:34 No.28087407 Report

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>>28087389

Arceus was alone when it created the Universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:00:49 No.28087424 Report

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>>28087407
Actually there was an egg before Arceus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:02:20 No.28087443 Report

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>>28087424
Which must be Mew because it is the ancestor of all Pokemon

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:02:51 No.28087453 Report

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>>28087389

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:03:24 No.28087463 Report

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>>28087424
Does that make Arceus the Demiurge, the imperfect, false god?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:04:39 No.28087481 Report

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>>28087463
yes. Is this actually a Richard thread?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:04:59 No.28087485 Report

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>>28087424

I know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:06:25 No.28087503 Report

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>>28087485
And new is the ancestor of all Pokemon right? Is it resonable to infer that mew laid that egg?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:07:18 No.28087518 Report

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>>28087463

Arceus is just the physical manifestation of original spirit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:08:13 No.28087530 Report

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>>28087481
This is my first time on /vp/ in a long time. What is a Richard thread? I'm curious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:08:28 No.28087534 Report

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>>28087503

Leave Mew out of this.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:08:41 No.28087537 Report

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>>28086491
well now I'm angry that this will never happen

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:09:36 No.28087551 Report

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>>28087463

Arceus is just the physical manifestation of the Original spirit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:10:43 No.28087569 Report

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>>28087530
It's a faggot who takes the Pokedex as fact and even went and tried tweeting to Masuda to say New could learn Crabhammer. He's been getting banned for derailing so many threads.

If he mentions the Pokedex there's something about how he says it that can if its a faker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:10:46 No.28087570 Report

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>>28087381
>HGSS lore comes after Platinum lore

So more canon. Plus, what you learn from ancients when meeting Arceus>what book says about Arceus

>>28087265
A place where Johto ancestors and Sinnoh ancestors came together to build a shrine to both their cultures. And Arceus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:12:33 No.28087597 Report

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>trying to make sense of something that clearly does not have some coherent backstory
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:12:47 No.28087599 Report

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>>28087569
*that can give away if it's a faker

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:14:34 No.28087624 Report

Quoted By: >>28087654 >>28087669

>It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.
This is just speculation, but considering how Arceus is accompanied by Unown during it's appearance in HGSS, I always wondered if they were it's "1000 arms", the appendages It used to create, or in this case, write the universe.
While they are fairly useless on their own, we have seen that enough Unowns working together can reshape reality after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:16:35 No.28087654 Report

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>>28087624

No. They are not Arceus 1,000 arms.

It was alone when it created the Universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:17:23 No.28087669 Report

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>>28087624
Yeah, the Pokedex isn't 100% cannon it's just a refernces to a Hindu for iirc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:17:42 No.28087676 Report

Quoted By: >>28087846

DPP is definitely the time when I paid the least amount of attention to Pokemon. I get that Arceus is very powerful and created Dialga and Palkia (and Giratina?), and Dialga and Palkia can literally no question control time and space, but the Pokedex entries for Arceus lay it on pretty thick that it being a god of creation and existing before the universe and all that jazz is Sinnoh mythology. Everything in there is written as hearsay. Couldn't he just be a really strong and old dude?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:17:52 No.28087678 Report

Quoted By: >>28088255

>>28087570

Arceus was alone when it created the Universe.

The Unown

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:18:06 No.28087684 Report

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>>28087654
Richard, i want you to leave the thread
now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:18:23 No.28087689 Report

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>>28087654
Arceus created the Unown to help him you dipshit. christ is your brain so under developed you can't even think of other possibilities?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:18:32 No.28087693 Report

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>>28087381
So it came to exist first, created a blank canvas (the universe) then started to shape the universe using the Unown and the help of the creation trio. Still makes sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:19:16 No.28087705 Report

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>>28087654
But who laid arceus's egg?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:19:20 No.28087707 Report

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>>28087669

Fanon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:20:39 No.28087724 Report

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>>28087689
>>28087693

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:21:35 No.28087735 Report

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>>28086088
worthless trash

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:21:48 No.28087739 Report

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>>28087705
Mew.
Who Arceus created, and sent back in time to ensure it's own creation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:21:54 No.28087741 Report

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>>28087707
If the Pokedex is true where is Rayquaza in RSE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:23:40 No.28087762 Report

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>>28087381
>>28087407
>>28087654

The act of creating the universe, and "shaping" the universe it created, as the Pokedex mentions, could easily be separate feats.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:23:46 No.28087763 Report

Quoted By: >>28087781

>>28087705

I cannot answer that question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:24:39 No.28087781 Report

Quoted By: >>28087802

>>28087763
So probably something before Arceus exsists?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:24:47 No.28087785 Report

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>>28087741

I'll avoid that question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:25:49 No.28087802 Report

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>>28087781

Chaos and Vortex

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:26:23 No.28087805 Report

Quoted By: >>28087846 >>28087848

It does not have to mean that Arceus literally used 1000 arms to make the universe. It could easily mean that Unown were Arceus' tools that it used to speed up the process.

>Today I feel like making a universe but damn that would take forever to do all by myself. Oh shit man, I'm motherfucking Arceus, I'll just make 1000 of these retarded Unown to do all of this work for me. I can't have them go out of control though so I'll make them weak as shit and only know hidden power! Yeah... yeah that will totally work!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:26:47 No.28087811 Report

Quoted By: >>28087883

All this lore speculation is neat, and it was kind of cool how HGSS sort of referenced my favorite Pokemon movie with how the Unown formations looked.

But I think a better question is, will these guys every have a point besides being a sub-collection of Pokemon to catch? When it comes to other Pokemon, even the lowest of the low at least evolve into something. These guys are just stuck with one move, bad stats and no unique abilities. And it's been like this since Gen 2!

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:28:10 No.28087832 Report

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>>28087762

Arceus was alone when it created the Universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:28:59 No.28087846 Report

Quoted By: >>28087897

>>28087676
In game lore supports it i beleive. I think Sinjoh is even supposed creation ground zero

>>28087805
So Arceus, the Unoun, Creation Trio and the other Simnoh trio are the only pokemon to pre date Mew?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:29:16 No.28087848 Report

Quoted By: >>28087992 >>28088255

>>28087805
Arceus was alone when it created the Universe.

Unown wasn't around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:29:26 No.28087850 Report

Quoted By: >>28087865

>>28087832
Your post does not contest the post you are responding to. In fact both ideas work together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:30:45 No.28087864 Report

Quoted By: >>28087906

Is this guy ESL? The way he just keeps repeating the same statement without furthering the argument makes me think so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:30:46 No.28087865 Report

Quoted By: >>28087905 >>28087911

>>28087850

The Unown wasn't around when Arceus created the Universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:31:41 No.28087883 Report

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>>28087811
I just love HGSS lore in general. Like, the Pokeathelon is honouring a badass and his three pokemon from Johto that hiked around the regions delivering an antidote to people sick from an epidemic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:32:33 No.28087897 Report

Quoted By: >>28088038

>>28087846
But how does it support it? Relics and monuments and ancient texts would all be created by people who just believe it's a god. The Pokedex just cites sinnoh legends without saying anything concrete.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:32:57 No.28087905 Report

Quoted By: >>28088052

>>28087865
>create empty universe
>create Unown to fill it up with stuff
It's not rocket science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:33:03 No.28087906 Report

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>>28087864
he's probably autistic irl, or at least he acts like one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:33:29 No.28087911 Report

Quoted By: >>28088052

>>28087865
Correct. It created them after it created the universe, as tools to SHAPE the universe. Same applies to the creation trio, since it needed deities to oversee time and space to make the universe as it is today.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:34:01 No.28087921 Report

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>>28086088
We don't know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:34:52 No.28087933 Report

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>>28086088
https://youtu.be/4-w2rz873Zk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:38:40 No.28087992 Report

Quoted By: >>28088032 >>28088105

>>28087848
Lets remove the Unown from the equation. Since that part really is speculation one way or the other.
While we know Arceus created the universe, we also know that Palkia, Dialga and Giratina were created afterwords by Arceus. These three Pokemon went on to control their own aspects of the universe. This is stuff explained in the Pokedex entries.

The way you seem to think Arceus is the only Pokemon involved in shaping the universe contradicts what we know about the creation trio, even if we ignore Unown for now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:42:16 No.28088032 Report

Quoted By: >>28088053

>>28087992
Time beginning when Dialga was born and Palkia making space stable aren't factually presented in the Pokedex. The Pokedex doesn't say Giratina ever did anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:42:41 No.28088038 Report

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>>28087897
You have a point there. Though Id think places like the Hall of Origin and Spear Pillar werent only made by humans

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:43:28 No.28088052 Report

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>>28087911
>>28087905

Palkia and Dialga create matter.

Unown wasn't around during that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:43:28 No.28088053 Report

Quoted By: >>28088093

>>28088032
So why is it called the creation trio?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:46:38 No.28088093 Report

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>>28088053
Is there anything official that refers to them as such, or is it a fanmade name?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:47:11 No.28088105 Report

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>>28087992
Palkia and Dialga create matter.

Palkia created parallel dimensions as wellm

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 05:59:07 No.28088255 Report

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>>28087381
>>28087407
>>28087654
>>28087678
>>28087832
>>28087848

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Anonymous Sat 27 Aug 2016 07:24:38 No.28089079 Report

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>>28086598
>I recall someone suggesting this in another thread
Probably me. I made pic related and post it every so often

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