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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:04:42 No.28294218 View View Reply Original Report

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Is anyone else getting tired of Tolonflame?

Talonflame + Gale Wings + Brave Bird + Roost + Focus Sash

I AM VERY SALTY RN HOW THE FUCK DO YOU COUNTER THIS SHIT

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:06:11 No.28294233 Report

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it can do literally nothing to this

scald on the switch out

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:07:02 No.28294244 Report

Quoted By: >>28294569 >>28294693

>>28294218
Rock types can counter it as they resist both flying and fire but the pesky thing just U-turns.

Get a stealth rock setter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:07:22 No.28294247 Report

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>>28294218
Mega Ampharos is the answer

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:08:01 No.28294258 Report

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>>28294218
never seen a focus sash talonflame
i go Adamant Gale wings
Brave bird
Flare Blitz
Swords Dance
Roost
Focus sash would be useless cuz of the recoil

Your best bets would be tyranitar,which completely walls it.Rotom-w,which is resistant to both of its stab moves as well,and heatran+ancient power,which it cannot touch.Coincidentally,these 3 are a solid core on many teams

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:08:30 No.28294265 Report

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>>28294218

What can smogbird do against this? Steel Wing? Who the hell run that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:08:59 No.28294268 Report

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Extreme spd

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:09:19 No.28294270 Report

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>>28294265
Choice Band users

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:10:15 No.28294279 Report

Quoted By: >>28294303

>>28294218
>brave bird
>focus sash
wew

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:10:16 No.28294280 Report

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>>28294265
They U-turn the second its out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:10:40 No.28294282 Report

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>>28294265
>will-o-wisp

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:11:08 No.28294286 Report

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>>28294265
Will-o-Wisp and switch out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:11:30 No.28294291 Report

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>>28294218
Literally any rock type

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:12:47 No.28294303 Report

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>>28294279
This is because if the opponent somehow gets the first hit in, you can Roost, U-Turn, or get one more Brave Bird in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:15:13 No.28294324 Report

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>>28294218
Tyranitar.
>Resists gale wings/flare blitz
>Can run lum berry in the unlikely case of a w-o-w talonflame
>Sand puts pressure in recovery and breaks the focus sash
>Talonflame's fear of STAB stone edge gets you a free dragon dance or a free pursuit

Any other rock type also does the trick, except maybe M-Diancie at low HP, but you get the idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:16:07 No.28294334 Report

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Play a not dogshit "meta" with pebbles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:19:14 No.28294379 Report

Quoted By: >>28294485 >>28294528

>>28294324
They usually carry U-turn though. Which is super effective on Tyranitar and neutral on rock types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:29:13 No.28294485 Report

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>>28294379
U-turn is quite rare right now, and Tyranitar can Pursuit trap on the U-Turn assuming he doesn't directly switch in. The real problem for Tyranitar is Will-O-Wisp, which is used by about half of Talonflames.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:32:08 No.28294528 Report

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>>28294379
252 Atk Talonflame U-turn vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar: 102-122 (25.2 - 30.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252+ Atk Tyranitar Pursuit (on the switch) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 195-229 (65.6 - 77.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage

Use pursuit whenever you feel a u-turn is coming. Tyranitar will do more raw damage than talonflame everytime. Also set rocks, while you're at it, and talonflame basically cannot switch in anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:35:56 No.28294569 Report

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>>28294244

M-Aerodactyl and M-Diancie and Rock types that resist both of its STABs + U Turn. If Diancie Mega evolved already it's even immune to Will o Wisp shenanigans.

Perfect counters exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:40:03 No.28294621 Report

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>>28294218
Fuck this shitty bird. Literally worst pokémon there is

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:45:24 No.28294693 Report

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>>28294244
Having something that is weak to it to lure it in, but has a rock-type move, high attack and a sash to survive the gale wings brave bird works magic

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:50:21 No.28294758 Report

Quoted By: >>28294767

>switch in blissey
>fails to ohko
>dies to recoil
that sure was hard :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:51:03 No.28294767 Report

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>>28294758
>running Blissey over Chansey

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:53:57 No.28294802 Report

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>>28294693
Okay so Machamp with no guard and stone edge and a focus sash has got this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:55:48 No.28294827 Report

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Talonflame is a fun Pokémon to use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:55:57 No.28294829 Report

Quoted By: >>28294872

>>28294218
Sure would be a shame if I were to send in my rotom laundromat. Real shame indeed.

>>28294265
Physical attackers are not the solution unless they are immune to burn, of which none that resist its shit are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:58:35 No.28294871 Report

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>>28294767
maybe you'd stop dying to talonflame if you did :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 11:58:44 No.28294872 Report

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>>28294829
>Talonflame used Natural Gift: Grass
>It's Super Effective!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 12:01:12 No.28294914 Report

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>>28294218
focus sash+brave bird? are you fucking retarded or something? best set is spdef with will o wisp/roost/swordsdance(or bulk up) acrobatics/bravebird (if you want an item)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 12:02:13 No.28294938 Report

Quoted By: >>28295137

>>28294872
252 Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 110-130 (36.3 - 42.9%) -- 96.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

m9 please

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 12:04:38 No.28294985 Report

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I send out volcanion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 12:05:03 No.28294996 Report

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>>28294914
0 spe.?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 12:06:06 No.28295011 Report

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>>28294802
This. I've done it a few times. Just pray they actually do switch to talonflame once they see machamp on the field. An experienced player may predict you're getting Stone Edge ready.

It's glorious if you pull it off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 12:08:38 No.28295066 Report

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>>28294218
>Paralyze it
>Rock/Water type attack
The end

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 12:13:27 No.28295137 Report

Quoted By: >>28296019

>>28294938
>Swords Dance on the obvious switchin

+2 252 Atk Talonflame Natural Gift vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 218-258 (71.9 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Nice """counter""", not even counting pebbles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 12:27:49 No.28295377 Report

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Heatran.

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 12:53:16 No.28295992 Report

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>>28294871
Jesus Christ, you can't go doing that to people man!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2016 12:54:33 No.28296019 Report

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>>28295137
>needing to add stat boosts to your calcs
That's how I know you've already lost

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