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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:01:06 No.28453789 View View Reply Original Report

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OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED!
WHO WILL YOU PICK?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:01:45 No.28453811 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:02:33 No.28453840 Report

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They've been literally just been deconfirmed, what are you on about?
Why would they make concept art for only one starter evolution if they have split ones? Rockruff sharing secret with them confirms it, the starters are fake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:03:27 No.28453869 Report

Quoted By: >>28453905

>>28453840
Stay salty forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:03:39 No.28453874 Report

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>>28453789
I'll wait and see if they have day/night forms.

If those aren't revealed/leaked before I get the game, or if they don't, I'll go with Rowlett.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:03:49 No.28453881 Report

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>>28453840
> Mallow and Ash being protags
> wut

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:04:00 No.28453887 Report

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Those things are absolute trash, Rockruff is the best starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:04:16 No.28453894 Report

Quoted By: >>28453996

>>28453840
Lol I thought this would be over now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:04:19 No.28453896 Report

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>>28453789
The box.
Rockruff will be my starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:04:29 No.28453902 Report

Quoted By: >>28453933 >>28453945 >>28454011 >>28455057

>>28453789
You mean debunked.

Literally the only thing backing them up is the chinese leak, and that one has been debunked since Rockruff has more than one evolution when the chinese leak claims that Rockruff has only one evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:04:32 No.28453905 Report

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>>28453869

>damage control

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:04:56 No.28453916 Report

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>>28453840
>dumb
look these are probably the night forms honestly

you can use the day forms all you want whenever they're revealed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:05:31 No.28453933 Report

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>>28453902
Holly shit, you really are trying your hardest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:05:32 No.28453934 Report

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The now confirmed male version of Popplio that isn't poppmaid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:05:47 No.28453939 Report

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>>28453840
>Durr wut r Z muvs

Dude Rockruff and the Starter Secret is that they have unique Z moves. That's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:05:56 No.28453942 Report

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>>28453916
Just stop.
This would take actual effort on Game Freak's part, and realisation that these pieces of shit were a mistake.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:06:02 No.28453943 Report

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>>28453789

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:06:04 No.28453945 Report

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>>28453902

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:06:40 No.28453958 Report

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How can someone exactly preview Mallow and her being Ash's partner? I reall didnt want that but

btfo denialfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:07:04 No.28453973 Report

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>>28453942
have you completely ignored the effort that they've shown us so far or are you just completely and utterly inept?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:07:28 No.28453990 Report

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>>28453933
You're the one trying your hardest to preserve a debunked leak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:07:48 No.28453996 Report

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>>28453894
Of course its not, its like the people that keep insisting roothoot is real, its just shitposting, and when one argument is killed, they move the goalpost to a new one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:08:03 No.28454011 Report

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>>28453902
Rockruff does only have one evolution. They have the same name but two forms lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:08:19 No.28454019 Report

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>>28453939
Or, you know, DAY AND NIGHT STAGES, LIKE WITH WHAT THEY JUST REVEALED WITH ROCKRUFF ARE YOU THAT FUCKING DENSE BOY

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:08:40 No.28454028 Report

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>>28453789
So they said Rockruff shared something in common with the starters.
Branched day/night starter evos confirmed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:09:09 No.28454042 Report

Quoted By: >>28454117 >>28454413

>>28454011
Then the chinese leak would have said that. Of course, since it's fake, it didn't say it. That's how you know something is fake as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:09:14 No.28454044 Report

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>>28454028
We can only hope.
The OP pic is a fucking embarrassment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:09:19 No.28454047 Report

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>>28453840
Rockruff doesnt have split evolutions

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:09:30 No.28454057 Report

Quoted By: >>28454091 >>28454918 >>28455028 >>28455119

Why do people actually like and want these piece of shit designs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:10:06 No.28454075 Report

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>>28454019
It's not going to happen lad.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:10:25 No.28454083 Report

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>>28453990
It's over Denialfags. You lost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:10:38 No.28454091 Report

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>>28454057
We don't
you can realize its real without actually wanting it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:10:57 No.28454099 Report

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>>28454075
Already confirmed lad, it's the shared secret of Rockruff and the starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:11:25 No.28454114 Report

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>>28453887
Literraly Zoroark and mightyena recolor, with more edge and cringe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:11:27 No.28454117 Report

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>>28454042
>this much in denial.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:11:33 No.28454120 Report

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>>28453789
El Tigre

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:11:54 No.28454133 Report

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>>28454091
No no i can't dammit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:13:31 No.28454184 Report

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>>28454133
Don't worry, we all went through that stage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:13:47 No.28454194 Report

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Really guys? Debunked? Take a fucking look at Mallow standing with Ash and the three starters. You're taking split evos (That isnt exist kek Rockruff got only one evo) to try debunk something with "It was only prediction where r da day and night furms uuu"
Holy piece of shit, I too dont wanna these designs but just accept it, it will hurt less.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:13:51 No.28454197 Report

Quoted By: >>28455023

>>28453840
Confirmed as night forms, you spaz.

>>28453789
I think just because of how rad he looks, I might break the habit of a lifetime and actually pick the grass starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:22:04 No.28454413 Report

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>>28454042
so by your logic Chinese leak would have said everything to do with the game... ctfu.. leakers don't know EVERYTHING but they got Mallow months before her reveal so X well see come release or October maybe

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:30:58 No.28454674 Report

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>>28453840
>Why would they make concept art for only one starter evolution if they have split ones?

Lol what logic are you using? It's not the only concept art that exists, just the only one that leaked to the public.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:32:17 No.28454712 Report

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>>28453789
LUCHALITTEN
U
C
H
A

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:33:19 No.28454741 Report

Quoted By: >>28454816

>>28453789
>OFFICIALLY DEBUNKED!
FTFY

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:34:18 No.28454775 Report

Quoted By: >>28454823 >>28455335

>>28453789
Picking Ballio now that I know I dont have to stick with shitty mermaid furfag fapbait/waifubait. Itll depend on version though, hope Ballio is Water/Fighting and Sun version

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:35:39 No.28454816 Report

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>>28454741
Nice try, here's your (you).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:35:47 No.28454823 Report

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>>28454775
>still forcing Ballio after he was debunked
kill yourself retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:36:02 No.28454826 Report

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>>28453789
Popplio3

Always water since 1999

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:38:56 No.28454906 Report

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>>28453789
>le ebin cunfurmd xdddd
fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:39:15 No.28454918 Report

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>>28454057

There are people that like them, you close minded retard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:40:14 No.28454945 Report

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>>28454906
>implying concept art doesn't change
kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:40:46 No.28454957 Report

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>>28454906
> Mallow being Ash's partner means nothing
> hubu daaa haaaat is differrent btfo kek ywf lol lmao jk ihg fdj klo koi ndf

Fuck denialfags logic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:41:29 No.28454981 Report

Quoted By: >>28455018 >>28455063

>>28454918
And those "people" don't deserve to have an opinion.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:42:24 No.28455003 Report

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Helltigre but I'm hoping Friend Safari comes back so I can get all three.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:42:51 No.28455018 Report

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>>28454981
Like you were a person to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:43:04 No.28455023 Report

Quoted By: >>28455064 >>28455155

>>28454197
>rad
He looks dumb as hell. Have fun with your man in an owl costume.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:43:24 No.28455028 Report

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>>28454057

Why do people like you ask stupid questions like this and think everyone has the same likes and dislikes as you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:44:19 No.28455057 Report

Quoted By: >>28455111 >>28455229

>>28453902
>>28453945
Where does it say Rockruff only has one evo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:44:26 No.28455063 Report

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>>28454981

You're a nobody on 4chan. Don't think so highly of yourself, buddy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:44:28 No.28455064 Report

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>>28455023
>being this salty
Didn't you trash enough in other threads to today ? Still wanting (you)'s ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:45:25 No.28455081 Report

Quoted By: >>28455142 >>28455158

>>28453945
Isn't the third leak debunked now since it got the evolution method wrong for Rockruff?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:45:46 No.28455092 Report

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>yfw eltigre is sleeping while they use him as a stove (teapot doodle) because it's the day time and eltigre is his night time evo

I don't know maybe he spends the night practising his moves, but he trains so hard he sleeps through the day so he never actually fights which explain his dark typing vs. a fighting one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:45:56 No.28455099 Report

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>>28453789
Out of the night forms I like Popplio's. If it has a day form I like more I'll get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:46:26 No.28455111 Report

Quoted By: >>28455229

>>28455057
Nowhere. It's just denialfags cherry picking at this point. They're aware they lost, but they're trying there hardest to look like they won, but in reality they didn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:46:43 No.28455119 Report

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>>28454057
There's evidence for it being real.
What we just got backs up the validity of the leaks even more.

Do you have evidence of the leaks being not real? Don't infer or make theories.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:46:51 No.28455123 Report

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>>28453789

Poppmaid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:47:33 No.28455142 Report

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>>28455081
It was wrong to begin with. That's justvan older chart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:48:05 No.28455155 Report

Quoted By: >>28455379

>>28455023
If people can like a yellow human with fire on his back I don't see why liking Robinhoot is a bad thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:48:11 No.28455158 Report

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>>28455081
Third leak was already debunked. It's just kept on there to differentiate it from the other real leaks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:48:41 No.28455168 Report

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Not litten

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:49:12 No.28455180 Report

Quoted By: >>28455238

>>28453789
>proof against this leak revealed
>OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED!!!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:50:03 No.28455204 Report

Quoted By: >>28455347

Reminder that denialfags are ALWAYS basing the validity of a source on their emotional response.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:51:09 No.28455229 Report

Quoted By: >>28455293 >>28455486

>>28455057
>>28455111
CoroCoro despicted the two designs with
ルガルガン or Rugarugan
まひるのすかた means midday form
まよなかのすかた means midnight form

btfo anons

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:51:31 No.28455238 Report

Quoted By: >>28455434

>>28455180
>Proof against

Haha what? What about corocoro disproved these starters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:53:27 No.28455293 Report

Quoted By: >>28455396

>>28455229
In English please

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:54:12 No.28455315 Report

Quoted By: >>28455416 >>28455718

Reminder that CoroCoro never said Rockruff and the starters' secrets were the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:55:01 No.28455335 Report

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>>28454775
Ballio was confirmed to be fake.....the creator came out and said it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:55:10 No.28455339 Report

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>>28453789
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA POPPMAID FAGS BTFO YOUR SHITTY MERMAID ISNT REAL YOU ARE ALL NOW LITERALLY BALLIO TIER

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:55:30 No.28455347 Report

Quoted By: >>28455616

>>28455204

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:56:41 No.28455379 Report

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>>28455155
what pokemon are you referring to? i can't think of what pokemon youre talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:57:21 No.28455396 Report

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>>28455293
Mahiru no Sukata
Mayonaka no Sukata

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:57:32 No.28455399 Report

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Neither of them

Or, ya know, I could always do a middle stage run, that sounds fun. But yeah, I ain't getting any of the evolutions, they look like hot trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:58:07 No.28455416 Report

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>>28455315
So the one split evo per island thing was real

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 10:58:51 No.28455434 Report

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>>28455238
Ignore him, he's just falling more and more in delusion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:01:03 No.28455486 Report

Quoted By: >>28455543

>>28455229
Even so, did it said werewolf ? Yes. Did it said anything other then werewolf ? No. Doesn't prove or disprove anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:03:03 No.28455543 Report

Quoted By: >>28455777

>>28455486
Are you fucking retard or a fucking kid that can accept anything? Just see the leaks, it LITERALLY shows the name and the name of the form withing the two Pokémon. Fuck off this is the same Pokénon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:04:36 No.28455572 Report

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Rockruff

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:06:34 No.28455616 Report

Quoted By: >>28455656

>>28455347
>no u

When Ballio "leaked" i loved him. I was mortified when poppmaid showed up. But when it came down to it, the evidence won out. since then, i've moved on and accepted it.

I have literally never seen this sentiment echo'd in denialfags. Every one hates wrestlecat and poppmaid with a burning passion and will grasp at any straws they can to try and """"""debunk"""""" it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:08:14 No.28455656 Report

Quoted By: >>28455707

>>28455616
>calls me out for saying 'no u'
>'no u', the post

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:08:41 No.28455671 Report

Quoted By: >>28455830

>>28453789
Nigga, nailing Mallow's design is way more important than nailing a gym leader being Ash's companion. Nothing has really changed, it's just they werent confirmed fake.

But seriously, of all the shit the pokemon fanbase believes and they choose to be skeptical of this.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:11:03 No.28455707 Report

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>>28455656
You can't just copy what you read in my post and hope the argument still works friendo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:11:30 No.28455718 Report

Quoted By: >>28455763 >>28455792

>>28455315
Is the leak could be the day evolutions of the starters?
>Rowlet3 night evolution is a knife-throwing gentlemen. Always sharping it's wing knives and using them as weapons.
>Litten3 night evolution is a sexy cat-bugler like Catwoman and Black Cat. Always looking for a challenge to steal.
>Popplio3 night evolution is a more horror-themed siren based on famous Japanese horror girls like Sadako from Ringu, with sharp claws and droopy hair cover it's face. But in reality it's just painfully shy and friendly and often hides because it's creepy appearance.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:13:23 No.28455763 Report

Quoted By: >>28455834

>>28455718
>Popplio3 night evolution is a more horror-themed siren based on famous Japanese horror girls like Sadako from Ringu

Sounds great.

Though the Rowlet and Litten sound like edgebait and furbait respectively

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:14:04 No.28455777 Report

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>>28455543
Wow wow, wait. What's the point you were trying to prove ? That these are the same pokemon (which was obvious) and prove or disprove the leak ? Cause all this aggiation really makes stuff confusing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:14:16 No.28455782 Report

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>>28453789
>Officially confirmed
>Except not at all

Epic shitposting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:14:30 No.28455792 Report

Quoted By: >>28455855

>>28455718
We just had a theif starter. Can litten3 night just be the cannon/volcano kitty we all wanted?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:15:45 No.28455830 Report

Quoted By: >>28457009

>>28455671
> Gym Leader
> Alola

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:15:48 No.28455834 Report

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>>28455763
Yeah because Popplio3 as much I love the design doesn't look like furbait in the first place.

Still thought, the chances of two forms of the final evolution starters. Popplio3 day form could be Water/Fairy while it's night form could be Water/Ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:16:49 No.28455855 Report

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>>28455792
Greninja was a ninja, not a thief.

Not all rogue archetypes are thieves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:17:34 No.28455881 Report

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>>28453789
NOT OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED.

WAIT UNTIL GAME FREAK ACTUALLY SHOWS THEM YOU DUMB CUNTS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF SIMPLE WORDS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:19:01 No.28455921 Report

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Fire starters were a mistake. They are dead to me forever now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:24:38 No.28456074 Report

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I wanted to deny it so badly, but I guess Rowlet's evo is pretty cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 11:47:10 No.28456616 Report

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>hating a design so much that you continue to call it fake despite the evidence

Denialfriends are a sad existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Sep 2016 12:03:51 No.28457009 Report

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>>28455830
Whatever, they fill the same role.

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