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Smogon and Baton Pass (again)

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It's that time again. A new Baton Pass team has been created, centering around Attract Scolipede, and Smogon's arguing over how to deal with it.

One side wants Baton Pass gone for good. Their arguments:

>With a Mental Herb, you're almost guaranteed to give a Substitute & Speed boosts to your teammates, potentially letting them 6-0
>banning Baton Pass + boosts is no different than banning Greninja + Protean. If you're going to nerf everything until it's balanced, why have tiers?
>You could win or lose a battle with this team solely on Attract rolls, taking skill out of the game
>drypassing isn't enough to justify keeping a broken move.
>Wonder Trio needs to die

The anti-ban arguments are this:
>the team hasn't seen much usage on the high ladder. should we really be reaching for a banhammer on what could be just a fad team?
>offensive pressure from Pokemon like Alakazam and Talonflame wreck Scolipede, and stall teams have multiple answers for boosting sweepers
>the collateral damage really is too high. Psychic types will lose their only way to escape Pursuit, for instance.

Many people are taking a more moderate position, asking for either a Speed Boost + Baton Pass ban or a straight-up ban of Scolipede.

What does /vp/ think?

>playing a fanfic meta