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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 01:47:23 No.28674530 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>28674634 >>28674728 >>28675067 >>28675355 >>28675586 >>28675965 >>28677391

How would you fix Bug and Ice types without making them insanely broke?

For me.

>Ice
>Loses Weakness to fighting
>Resists Water

>Bug
>Loses weakness to Rock
>Resists Fairy
>Hits Fairy for neutral

Could only make 1 lose the rock weakness without Rock turning to shit, because there's so many x4 weak bugs they need to lose the rock weakness the most.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 01:49:12 No.28674563 Report

Quoted By: >>28674607 >>28674804

Just change the relationship with bug and fairy. then bug is fine.

As for ice, I dunno. It needs a lot though. I'm tempted to say they should just get rid of the rock weakness. Having a fighting weakness is bad enough anyways. Rock is used more offensively than water so I think that would be a better buff. Plus it would help ice types deal with sneaky pebbles.

I also think they should add an ice type with an ability that inverts its weaknesses and resistance. :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 01:50:43 No.28674607 Report

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>>28674563
Scald is everywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 01:51:53 No.28674634 Report

Quoted By: >>28675553

>>28674530
>Loses Weakness to fighting

Nice meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 01:56:36 No.28674728 Report

Quoted By: >>28676059

>>28674530
Bug:
>No longer weak to Rock types (Fucking bugs live under rocks and shit)
>SE against Poison types
>Neutral against Ghosts (What was the reasoning behind this again?)

Ice:
>Resists Water but Scald is SE
>Resists Electric (Unlike Water Ice is a shit conductor)

Also some extra stuff
>Psychic is SE against Fairies
>Steel resists Ghost again but gets Neutral damage from Dragon
>Poison is SE against Water

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:00:18 No.28674804 Report

Quoted By: >>28674861

>>28674563
This. Literally all bug needs is to resist fairy or hit it for SE. Not even both

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:01:03 No.28674826 Report

Quoted By: >>28674888

ICE

>Now resists Normal and Water
>Loses Rock weakness

Some would say add a flying or grass resistance as well. But I'm going with this.

BUG

>Now resists Fairy and Psychic
>Is neutral against Fairy, Ghost and Poison

Now the real questioned is how to fix grass

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:02:08 No.28674848 Report

Quoted By: >>28675500 >>28675541

Gardevoir thread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:02:39 No.28674861 Report

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>>28674804
Or make it so you cant' transfer SR carrying mons to SM and remove its TM/Tutor status.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:04:11 No.28674888 Report

Quoted By: >>28674970

>>28674826
>>Now resists Normal
That makes no sense
>>(Bug) Now resists Psychic
>Wanting to nerf Psychics even more

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:08:18 No.28674957 Report

Quoted By: >>28675541

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:08:53 No.28674970 Report

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>>28674888

>Makes no sense

Ice is hard, nigga. As in, rock/metal hard if it's compact enough. If Rock resists Normal, so should ice.

>Caring about psychics
>The type with the most bullshittily high coverage options after normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:10:22 No.28674994 Report

Quoted By: >>28675024 >>28675082 >>28675125 >>28675288

I think changing weaknesses and resistances would be a bad way to balance the game, since that has so many variables and if there was ever, say, an ice-type psuedo or something suddenly it's stupidly broken because of what you arbitrarily decided on before. Then when everyone is complaining ice is broken offensively and decent defensively because of this specific typing, what do you do? Just change the type chart again?

Just make ice types more worth actually playing with. Make hail better with actual hail abilities (where the fuck is hail swift swim?) Stop giving every ice type snow cloak. Make more things like Mamoswine that are offensive based, or like Weavile that are fast, instead of this stupid slow and bulky bullshit. Give them decent attacks that are only available on ice types. Freeze Dry was a good concept, make something that's actually decently fast and specially offensive that can use it instead of making the best user of freeze dry fucking Cryogonal or Mega Glalie that caps out at 120 base special attack and no hold item or offensive ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:12:13 No.28675024 Report

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>>28674994
>I think changing weaknesses and resistances would be a bad way to balance the game
not when both types are so ineffective against so many things

no matter how hard you buff the movesets, people wouldn't still use bug or ice with so many weaknesses and restrictions

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:14:16 No.28675067 Report

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>>28674530

Ice is no longer weak to rock.
Resists Ground and Flying.
Hail boosts the Defense of Ice-type Pokemon by 50%, like Sandstorm does for the Special Defense of Rock-types.
Add Ice-type equivalents of Sand Rush and Sand Force.

Bug is no longer resisted by Fairy, and resists Fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:15:21 No.28675082 Report

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>>28674994

>and if there was ever, say, an ice-type psuedo or something suddenly it's stupidly broken

There are already Ice-type legendaries, so why would a pseudo be what breaks the camel's back?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:17:37 No.28675125 Report

Quoted By: >>28675207

>>28674994
Because it's retarded at times. Mostly for bug. Why the fuck does Ghost resist Bug?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:18:56 No.28675161 Report

Quoted By: >>28675541

post gardevoir, it's a gradevoir thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:20:58 No.28675207 Report

Quoted By: >>28675418 >>28675982

>>28675125
I always thought it was dumb that Bug resists Fighting.

It's a bug. Bugs get smashed all the time. I'd think a karate chop would be good for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:24:24 No.28675288 Report

Quoted By: >>28676070

>>28674994
Bug is resisted by seven types

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:27:10 No.28675355 Report

Quoted By: >>28675479 >>28675539

>>28674530
Grass deserves buffs more than Bug and Ice since it's a starter type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:29:57 No.28675418 Report

Quoted By: >>28675767

>>28675207
Bugs gets squished all the time because they're fucking tiny. bugs in Pokemon are as big as you. They most like likely resist fighting because of their exoskeletons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:32:48 No.28675479 Report

Quoted By: >>28675543 >>28675624

>>28675355
I don't think it's any more or less deserving but but it does need a boost. Even in gen 4 there's some gardenia dialogue where she acknowledges grass types aren't very strong

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:33:34 No.28675500 Report

Quoted By: >>28675527 >>28675541

>>28674848
sure, why not

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:35:13 No.28675527 Report

Quoted By:

>>28675500
Dubs confirmed Gardevoir thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:35:37 No.28675539 Report

Quoted By: >>28677060

>>28675355
grass get waifus so idiots will stil use it

ice and bug remain deserving more

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:35:46 No.28675541 Report

Quoted By: >>28675618

>>28674848
>>28674957
>>28675500
>>28675161
Please don't be faggots. Go make your own thread, it's super easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:35:52 No.28675543 Report

Quoted By:

>>28675479
>Grass resist rock
>Grass are no longer weak to flying
>Flying are super effective against fairy types
How about that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:36:28 No.28675553 Report

Quoted By:

>>28674634

Because fighting is totally balanced right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:37:46 No.28675586 Report

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>>28674530
Didn't you see Karate Kid 2? Fighting will always be super effective against ice.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:39:12 No.28675618 Report

Quoted By: >>28675637

>>28675541
No u

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:39:21 No.28675624 Report

Quoted By: >>28677081 >>28678111

>>28675479
I feel like if there's a problem with grass, it's that most grass pokemon barely get any coverage. It's insane. At the very least, their moves don't get taken by other types very much, like Leech Seed or Sleep Powder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:40:07 No.28675637 Report

Quoted By: >>28675672

>>28675618
Clicking the report button is easy =3

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:41:25 No.28675672 Report

Quoted By: >>28675786

>>28675637
No rules are being broken thread
Except for the one when you announced your report

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:45:04 No.28675767 Report

Quoted By:

>>28675418
>Bugs resist Fighting because of their exoskeletons
>Fighting is super effective on Rock and Steel
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:45:52 No.28675786 Report

Quoted By: >>28675838

>>28675672
>Global Rule 3: You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.
>off-topic replies
>thread about fixing Bug and Ice Types
>hijack with waifu
>off-topic replies
First day on the board, eh? Might want to read those rules again there, champ.
Now please leave.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:47:55 No.28675838 Report

Quoted By: >>28675878

>>28675786
Nice try friend, but you don't have any authority here
Besides, you're the one sending this thread off-topic with your hating

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:48:04 No.28675844 Report

Quoted By:

What about making Bug types effective against Ground types? Makes sense, considering how many bugs burrow through the ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:49:29 No.28675878 Report

Quoted By: >>28675920

>>28675838
Says the guy who tried (and is still trying) to hijack the thread.
When did I claim authority? I ASKED you to leave, I did not command it.
Please leave.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:51:16 No.28675920 Report

Quoted By:

>>28675878
Eat shit
Go back to talking about how you could fix types when nothing will actually happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:53:16 No.28675965 Report

Quoted By: >>28676002

>>28674530
Should've added a hard mode: balance ice without touching water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:53:28 No.28675968 Report

Quoted By: >>28676199

I don't know how many times this is addressed, but part of me feels like movepools for a single type aren't addressed as much. What do you think about the bug type moves availible /vp/? Is it good as it is or does it need more variety (like priority, more special moves, etc.)
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bug_(type)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:54:10 No.28675982 Report

Quoted By: >>28676044

>>28675207
Nah, that makes sense from a flavor perspective if birds resist fighting too.

Like, punch a beehive. Who's gonna win there? Yeah, you'll probably kill some bees, but you're not gonna be very effective in the long run, just like if you tried punching a bird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:54:57 No.28676002 Report

Quoted By: >>28676085

>>28675965
>Balance ice without touching water
>Touches ice
>Is also touching solid water
Literally impossible

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:56:15 No.28676033 Report

Quoted By: >>28676068

Ice should resist water. that's the only thing about the type chart that I would actually do, and only for the sake of logic, not really worried about the balance of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:56:44 No.28676044 Report

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>>28675982
Birds don't even attack in groups like that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:57:07 No.28676059 Report

Quoted By:

>>28674728
>Water Ice is a shit conductor

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:57:28 No.28676068 Report

Quoted By:

>>28676033
>for the sake of logic
If that were the case then water would be super effective against ice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:57:33 No.28676070 Report

Quoted By: >>28676117

>>28675288
And yet bug types are doing fine in the game because type coverage exists. Genesect is up in ubers, Heracross, Pinsir, and Volcarona are all usable. Being a bug type or having to use bug moves isn't a death sentence. Being a shitty Pokemon like Beautifly is.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:58:15 No.28676085 Report

Quoted By:

>>28676002

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 02:59:17 No.28676117 Report

Quoted By: >>28676139 >>28676160 >>28676192

>>28676070
Bug types wouldn't be so bad if everyone and their mom learned Stealth Rock.

OH BOY LOSING 25%-50% OF MY HP ON SWITCHING IN

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:00:15 No.28676139 Report

Quoted By:

>>28676117
Just make every bug type part steel then :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:00:56 No.28676160 Report

Quoted By: >>28676277

>>28676117
Stop being a brat and play doubles if you don't want to deal with Stealth Rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:02:01 No.28676192 Report

Quoted By:

>>28676117
Bug types aren't so bad though. GF shows what happens when a type that's percieved as inherently bad gets Pokemon with decent stats, they end up actually doing pretty well.

They introduced some great bugs in Gen 5 and they've been continuing to do great work on them since then.

They just never bothered doing that for ice types. We got derpcone and >bulky slow ice/rock dinosaur instead, starring Mega Glalie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:02:09 No.28676199 Report

Quoted By:

>>28675968
Bug moves are covered fine. They've got shit like Rage Powder, Sticky Web, U-Turn, Quiver Dance, X-Scissor, Bug Buzz and Megahorn. I'm not sure what else they'd really like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:05:45 No.28676277 Report

Quoted By: >>28676338

>>28676160
Oh boy, weaknesses to Rock Slide and Heat Wave, just what the doctor ordered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:08:23 No.28676338 Report

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>>28676277
>spread moves are weakened in doubles
>pair a bug with a heatran and get not fully SE move with a buff to your heatran if they heat wave

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:40:55 No.28676927 Report

Quoted By:

Yeah another Gardevoir Thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:47:08 No.28677060 Report

Quoted By: >>28677116

>>28675539
>grass get waifus so idiots will stil use it
Lilligant and Leavanny are NU and PU, respectively. Also, Grass is mediocre offensively while Ice is great offensively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:48:08 No.28677081 Report

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>>28675624
And yet every Water type can learn Ice Beam. What a bunch of bull.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:49:43 No.28677116 Report

Quoted By: >>28677198

>>28677060
What about Serperior?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:52:55 No.28677198 Report

Quoted By: >>28677237

>>28677116
Serperior isn't a waifu. And it's only good because of Contrary.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 03:54:39 No.28677237 Report

Quoted By:

>>28677198
>Serperior
>Not a waifu

A leaker with a secret

A leaker with a secret Wed 21 Sep 2016 04:01:39 No.28677391 Report

Quoted By:

>>28674530
>Bug: Immune to entry hazards:

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 04:39:56 No.28678111 Report

Quoted By:

>>28675624
fairy moves should be given to grass types like ice is to water

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