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Smogons gonna ban arena trap

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 21:46:32 No.28714554 View View Reply Original Report

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/arena-trap-dugtrio.3582873/
ahaha here we fucking go again

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Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 21:48:06 No.28714580 Report

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>>28714554

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:06:05 No.28714945 Report

Quoted By: >>28716460 >>28717739

>>28714554
One of the arguments is honestly "Arena Trap isn't broken, but there is so much to plan for nowadays that you can't plan for it all so Arena Trap gets to slip through and be OP"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:08:48 No.28714991 Report

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>>28714554
God they are such fucking babies

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:12:23 No.28715063 Report

Quoted By: >>28716536 >>28716654

>>28714554

>one buttmad forum mod that got his shitter slapped by Dugtrio is bitching about Arena Trap

>THAT MEANS SMOGON IS BANNING AREAN TRAP, SMOGON IS FUCKING STUPID!!! EVEN THOUGH ONLY ADMINISTRATORS CAN START THE SUSPECT PROCESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Here's your (You). Also Sage

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:21:09 No.28715214 Report

Quoted By: >>28715518 >>28723248 >>28723907 >>28726183 >>28726378 >>28726520 >>28726571 >>28726619 >>28726755 >>28728535

>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-429463319

>this is what smogou looks like now

rofl and this guy is bitching about dugtrio being the problem. Ban recovery moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:23:03 No.28715250 Report

Quoted By: >>28715900 >>28715965

>>28714554
>"Arena Trap must be banned due to Dugtrio"
>80 Atk force it to use Choice Band, waste a slot on Swords Dance, or using Reversal + Focus Sash to kill anything
>literally anything can OHKO it (unless is holding Focus Sash)
>is in the RU tier
Are you FUCKING kidding me?

If they want to ban Arena Trap they should ban Magnet Pull too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:31:08 No.28715392 Report

Quoted By: >>28715780

Smogon is just going more and more downhill. I wonder how long will it take until they finally crash and burn ?

Btw, I'm not an anti-smogonfag, but this is just to obvious to not bring up anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:37:05 No.28715518 Report

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>>28715214
>Turn 100
>only 1 fainted Pokemon
This is some serious business

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:38:31 No.28715548 Report

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>>28714554
>SUMO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:40:54 No.28715593 Report

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>>28714554
Dugtrio is a shitmon, this mod came unprepared and got buttfucked. I can see Shadow Tag, but not Arena Trap, if they keep that up Magnet Pull will be next.
Might as well ban Shedinja because "you can't prepare for everything these days lol".

That said Dugtrio should absolutely be banned from RU, it's way too strong down there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:50:08 No.28715780 Report

Quoted By: >>28715819 >>28715848 >>28715883 >>28717739

>>28715392
It's the community, the age hasn't changed. Old players have mostly quit and newer ones who get triggered by everything have come into control, while only admins can trigger the suspect process its newfags who all vote to ban fucking everything.

The entire way Smogon bans stuff on sim is just idiotic nowadays. The Garchomp ban in late gen 4 was when things started going downhill. Garchomp was fucking strong in gen 4, but he didn't get banned until after shit like Salamence also became broken, so Salamence became the new Garchomp. What was broken about Garchomp wasn't Garchomp, it was the Yache berry and sand veil combo. So instead of banning the Yache which is what is causing the problem, they ban the pokemon.

HAs in gen 5 were when it got really obvious though. The no Drizzle+SS ban was when I stopped playing OU. The entire ban system was just getting so convoluted. It's totally okay to have politoed to protect your scizor or ferrothorn, but god forbid you use it for your Kingdra!

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Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:52:25 No.28715819 Report

Quoted By: >>28716183 >>28726719

>>28715780
So you're saying old players have been replaced by millennials who just want everything to be easy? What haven't they ruined?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:53:49 No.28715841 Report

Quoted By: >>28715876 >>28716092 >>28716811

>>28714554
TL;DR for anyone not willing to actually read the thread:
>another Semi-Stall archetype centered around M-Sableye (hazard cockblock against passive setters) + Dugtrio (reliable trapper/revenge killer to remove a large portion of things that can break the team) was developed and eventually tested in high-level tournament setting
>it proved itself to autowin against anything that doesn't significantly counterteam it, specifically teams without multiple wallbreakers, specific mon composition or Shed Shell slapped on things
>people are now debating what exactly needs to be banned in order to stop this and similar broken strategies: M-Sableye that prevents opponent from outplaying a bad matchup with the power of sneaky pebbles, or Arena Trap and possibly trapping in general that allows you to directly remove mons that allow your opponent to threaten you
This was long overdue, ORAS Stall has been incredibly cancerous and needs to be ended one way or the other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:54:15 No.28715848 Report

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>>28715780
I feel its gone from "making it competitive" to making it so the game is no longer surprising in any way

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:54:48 No.28715856 Report

Quoted By: >>28715896

so how about stop playing smogon and then it's not a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:55:53 No.28715876 Report

Quoted By: >>28715931

>>28715841
Maybe you kill the Dugtrio?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:56:30 No.28715883 Report

Quoted By: >>28716319

>>28715780
>Garchomp completely dominates gen4's metagame
>banned
>Snorlax does the same for gen2's metagame
>left untouched
That irks me way too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:57:01 No.28715896 Report

Quoted By: >>28715920 >>28717732

>>28715856
>Doubles is filled with Primals
>Battle Spot has Mega Salamence and Mega Gengar

Just end it all.

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Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:57:07 No.28715900 Report

Quoted By: >>28715920

>>28715250
>calls out a sage
>makes page 1 anyway
Also bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:58:17 No.28715920 Report

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>>28715900
Dammit meant for >>28715896

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 22:58:57 No.28715931 Report

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>>28715876
The thing about trappers is that they pick their engagement. They don't get caught out and they don't need to put themselves at risk until the vital moment.
That said, dugtrio has nowhere near the raw set up potential or power of any other trapper. It's good, sure. But it's incredibly high risk to use the thing. It's very easy to fuck up with. Even hidden powers one shot the thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:01:35 No.28715965 Report

Quoted By: >>28717739

>>28715250
>waste a slot on Swords Dance,
It's not even SD, it's Hone Claws, any kind of priority kills it and something with decent speed tier has a scarf then he's done for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:05:57 No.28716030 Report

Quoted By: >>28716632 >>28718684

>>28714554
What's the reason? Smogonbabies cry because their favourite Pokémon is counted by Arena Trappers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:09:57 No.28716092 Report

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>>28715841
Dugtrio was better in gen 3 than it is today due to Blissey being retardedly good in that gen and dugtrio reversal being the only way to reliably kill it and it wasn't banned in gen 3.

M-Sableye is clearly the problem. Dugtrio in specific and trapping in general has always been stronger for offensive teams than defensive ones until now. M-Sableye is the odd case of a defensive pokemon who is so hard to work around that a team isn't going to have more than one way to deal with it. M-Sableye is on the same level of bullshit as Kanga and Mawile and never had a place in OU.

All of that aside, remember how Skarmory dealt with Magneton and was OU in gen 3 despite Magneton being quite popular, and gen 4 despite magnezone being a thing? Shed shell.

This ban is just another one of those "ugh I don't want to deal with sometimes running into a team where I have a bad matchup for my highly original orange genie cat thing, sand godzilla that has been in the top 5 OU mons since Emerald version and epic scald pony, ban it!" suspects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:15:32 No.28716183 Report

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>>28715819
I'm glad you posted this picture, it just reminded me that Pikachu and Dugtrio have similar stat bulk

>35/40/50
VS
>35/50/70

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:16:31 No.28716199 Report

Quoted By: >>28716343

who ever was the idiot who said garchomp was banned when mence was in gen 4 on smogon is trolling or really bad memory.

garchomp was banned before plat came out and made mence borked in gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:23:51 No.28716319 Report

Quoted By: >>28718881

>>28715883

Because banning Snorlax doesn't un-break stall in Gen 2's meta. People would just run the same teams with something else instead of Snorlax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:25:37 No.28716343 Report

Quoted By: >>28717986 >>28731362

>>28716199
He was banned right before Pt. and that resulted in Mence having one less good check and being even worse cancer than he was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:27:35 No.28716378 Report

Quoted By: >>28719004

>>28714554
This is the dumbest thing. If you supsect Dugtrio might be an issue for your team, then you either use more ghosts/levitators to avoid it, or slap Shed Shell on stuff to prevent it.

A trapper is a specific tool, and outside of Shadow tag where it universally traps everything, should just be something to account for.

Also, I love this line

>Firstly, please do not bring up the bp suspect to make it look like the ou playerbase is just randomly trying to get rid of annoying things on a whim.

They know exactly what it looks like, because that's exactly what it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:32:55 No.28716456 Report

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shit like this is why smogon should had kept the tiering method it had pre-late gen 4 were a closed elite circle made all the choices and they were damn near final and any complaint was grounds for removal as a dissident disturber and nuisance to the community.

opening up to the public that can't fucking decide what it fucking wants in a metagame was the wrong thing to do and what had led to these stupid tiering and ban policy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:33:10 No.28716460 Report

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>>28714945
>but there is so much to plan for nowadays
Looks like sun and moon will bring dozens of game changing features in new abilities and moves.
Smogon will explode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:38:47 No.28716536 Report

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>>28715063
>sage
>not oranguru

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:45:23 No.28716632 Report

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>>28716030
Arena Trap removes a key element of the game: switching. Limits team building blabla has to sacrifice blabla not counterable blabla...
>but loosing a mon upon entry to hazards is ok, because you have two obscure moves as counterplay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:46:12 No.28716639 Report

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>>28714554
Banning arena trap is a stupid knee-jerk way of going about this. Moving Dugtrio up to BL2 would make more sense if it's too dangerous in its current home of RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:47:35 No.28716654 Report

Quoted By: >>28723537

>>28715063
I think you meant
>got his shitter mudslapped by Dugtrio

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:50:19 No.28716679 Report

Quoted By: >>28716697

>>28714554
What the fuck?

I supported Shadow tag because with Gothielli you can sweep and get them in on trick, but this is straight up retarded. You literally can't sweep or boost that well let alone use trick or hell trap flying types and ghosts or anything with U-turn and volt switch

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:52:13 No.28716697 Report

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>>28716679
>Volt Switch

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:55:29 No.28716746 Report

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>>28714554
Read article, check OU tier list.
Half of them are either airborne or can use U-Turn (or Baton Pass). And Shed Shell and Air Balloon exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 23:59:53 No.28716811 Report

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>>28715841
Dugtrio is frail as fuck and doesn't hit that hard either. It often relies on Focus Sash and has a lot of problems switching in on the things it want to trap unless it can predict a switch or come in on the revenge kill.

M-Sableye is the reason ORAS Stall is so cancerous, not fucking Dugtrio.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 00:41:44 No.28717403 Report

Quoted By: >>28717475

Other than arena trap dugtrio is easy to beat
>Has average attack only hurting with choice band
>So frail it needs focus sash to live neutral hits

Sableye
>Priority heal
>Priority burn
>3 immunities
>1 Weakness
>Bulky af
>Can't be status

What the hell man

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 00:43:15 No.28717435 Report

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>>28714554
>Stealth Rock is used to discourage switching
>Arena Traps prevents it altogether for grounded pokemon
Obviously Arena Trap should be used on every team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 00:46:08 No.28717475 Report

Quoted By: >>28717515 >>28718010

>>28717403
i'd tell them to ban sabeley but oras is done less than 2 months so who cares anymore

also for everyone, what do you think they'll unban at the start of sun and moon? like how they had deoxys and genesect at the beginning of BW

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 00:48:32 No.28717515 Report

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>>28717475
Aegislash and Deoxys D/S

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 00:53:41 No.28717605 Report

Quoted By: >>28720273

>one poster suggest that arena trap should be banned
>most people in the thread say it shouldn't

OMG GUYS SMOGON IS GONN BAN ARENA TRAP EBIN XD

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 00:55:37 No.28717627 Report

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>haven't played multiplayer in a while
>they're debating Baton Pass bans

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 00:58:22 No.28717667 Report

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>All this damage control from smogonfags
>People only figuring out now that smogon is a hugbox of bad players that can't adapt

Fascinating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:01:31 No.28717732 Report

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>>28715896
>Battle Spot has Mega Salamence and Mega Gengar
Boo fucking hoo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:01:55 No.28717739 Report

Quoted By: >>28717813 >>28718691 >>28723691 >>28727594

OMGON BANS SWAGGE
BUT STEALTHS ROCK IS OK
yeah i'd say the smogonfags are fucking retarded

>>28714945
>Arena Trap isn't broken, but there is so much to plan for nowadays that you can't plan for it all so Arena Trap gets to slip through and be OP
This is a valid argument and a discussion point, there simply IS too much to plan for, you can't build for every single archetype in the game. I think they need to think deeply about their format, since this issue would be mitigated by 3v3 bring 6 or some fanwanky 6v6 bring 10 or something. But being able to choose your team from a pool at team preview does mitigate the 'I can't possibly plan for everything bls ban'.

>>28715965
Yeah just go ahead and switch that in then. Duggy definitely has uses in removing very specific things ala excadrill.

>>28715780
>when they tried to ban shadow tag from ubers several times
>when chaos the original founder came in and said 'no, stop that you fucking twits'.
lmoa

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:06:40 No.28717811 Report

Quoted By: >>28718256

>want to ban baton pass
>Move that allows you to bypass most trapping strategies
>next they'll complain about fucking dugtrio being broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:06:43 No.28717813 Report

Quoted By: >>28718268

>>28717739
banning swagger was the right move. you could take down an entire team with a murkrow.

someone reached the top of the latter with 6 prankster swagplay pokemon playing by an algorithm.

you could have programmed an arduino to win with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:07:56 No.28717832 Report

Quoted By: >>28717904

>/vp/ smogonpleb is actually already defending THIS

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:09:57 No.28717867 Report

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>dugtrio
>not banning cute charm first
that delcatty caught my team unprepared to be quite honest

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:12:37 No.28717904 Report

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>>28717832
There's nothing to attack and nothing to defend, OP is just making shit up.
If you actually read the thread you would know that it's just one guy complaining about Arena Trap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:15:26 No.28717945 Report

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>>28714554
>Firstly, please do not bring up the bp suspect to make it look like the ou playerbase is just randomly trying to get rid of annoying things on a whim.
>oh no someone complained about Dugtrio and there isn't even a suspect test yet, THEY'RE GOING TO BAN HIM
arrived in this place to have a chuckle

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:18:08 No.28717986 Report

Quoted By: >>28723533

>>28716343
>that resulted in Mence having one less good check and being even worse cancer than he was.
Which also resulted in Mence getting banned at the end of DPPt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:18:19 No.28717989 Report

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It's one dude complaining and most people in the thread are telling him off.

Dugtrio does need to be banned from RU, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:19:28 No.28718010 Report

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>>28717475
>what do you think they'll unban at the start of sun and moon?
Everything. What stays broken goes back to Ubers, as they always do on a new gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:33:11 No.28718256 Report

Quoted By: >>28718522

>>28717811
A. Smogon did not want to ban baton pass. The baton pass clause is a restriction of what you can do with baton pass and how many Pokemon can have it. Restricting what you can do with something=/=banning it.
B. If you could somehow switch INTO baton pass, then this argument would hold some ground. But because you can't switch into a trapped Pokemon, and only out, your opponent can still trap most of your Pokemon and if they have a good match-up with it, then that Pokemon is ded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:33:44 No.28718268 Report

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>>28717813
Source? That sounds hilarious.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:43:59 No.28718449 Report

Quoted By: >>28718574 >>28718654 >>28723276 >>28723378 >>28725995

>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-429463319
What in the fuck is this? Stall is absolute cancer.

This is what you get for banning Hoopa and M-Mawile, Smogon. You made your bed, now lie in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:48:39 No.28718522 Report

Quoted By: >>28718557

>>28718256
Just ban Baton Pass + boosting move/ability. Much simpler than what we have now, and allows drypassing to escape both Arena trapping and Pursuit trapping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:51:08 No.28718557 Report

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>>28718522
The only thing this battle shows is why entry hazards are healthy for the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:52:09 No.28718574 Report

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>>28718449
The only thing this battle shows is why entry hazards are healthy for the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 01:58:55 No.28718654 Report

Quoted By: >>28718678

>>28718449
Are these guys stupid or something? They keep doing the same thing over and over again. When they finally switch things up, they keep doing the same thing multiple turns in a row again. Are they stupid or are the teams so bulky that there isn't a good opening?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:00:27 No.28718672 Report

Quoted By: >>28718710 >>28718731

Why not just ban Confuse Ray while your at it. Its basically swagger except it doesnt give the attack boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:00:49 No.28718678 Report

Quoted By: >>28718778

>>28718654
Stall vs Stall is literally a PP stall game. None of the Pokémon can do more than 30% to the others so all you can do is stall the opponent out of Recovers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:01:14 No.28718684 Report

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>>28716030

It's a discussion anon. Let's calm down

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:01:39 No.28718691 Report

Quoted By: >>28726933 >>28727594

>>28717739
>there simply IS too much to plan for
>Overcentralizing the meta is bad, we don't want to see the same 10 pokemon dominate all the time
>But too much diversity in sets makes it hard to plan for!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:03:28 No.28718710 Report

Quoted By: >>28718765

>>28718672
The attack boosts amplify the effect of confusion and makes it that much stronger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:04:14 No.28718731 Report

Quoted By: >>28718765 >>28723707

>>28718672
Confuse ray has much worse distribution than Swagger, most prankster mons can't learn it. The "doesn't give the attack boost" is pretty important too - not only does it make you do more damage to yourself when you hit yourself, but it gives a key huge boost to the move Foul Play, which was what made Swagger broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:04:51 No.28718739 Report

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>"too much to plan for"
>Sneaky Plebbles untouched, ban a rare, situational ability instead
wtf I hate Smogon now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:06:27 No.28718765 Report

Quoted By: >>28719480

>>28718710
>>28718731
Ah i see, i thought it was people complaining about the RNG from being confused and your mon slapping itself in the face 2-5 times

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:07:35 No.28718778 Report

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>>28718678
That's the part that seemed weird. Like every time he sent Scizor in, he used Swords Dance. He knew Knock Off wouldn't hurt Heatran much, and Clefable always went for Wish. He was going to switch to Clefable when Heatran got in anyways. Why not punch it on the Wish turn? I don't know, maybe there's stuff behind the fight that makes it not worth it, but it still seems weird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:07:45 No.28718784 Report

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Have you retards even read the thread? Nobody is talking about banning arena trap, it was just one person that suggested it with everyone else saying that was stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:09:38 No.28718810 Report

Quoted By: >>28718843 >>28718874 >>28718950 >>28718972

>>28714554
Smogon is actually under pressure and has been to be forced to close. Not just that but Showdown is under a Cease and Desist that is pending Court action. More than likely during SUMO's release (little after) seeing as it took that long to be presented.

Just fyi: The Old Admins/Globals left to another site they're building as the 'fall out' from when Showdown & Smogon get the final boot. You're about to see your little worlds shift.

I can't wait to laugh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:12:00 No.28718843 Report

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>>28718810
Source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:13:55 No.28718874 Report

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>>28718810
no matter how much I want this to be true. Source.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:14:12 No.28718881 Report

Quoted By: >>28718930

>>28716319
Yeah but he still has 100% pick rate if that isn't overcentralizing then I don't know what it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:17:16 No.28718930 Report

Quoted By: >>28718976

>>28718881
The gen 2 meta is unsalvageable cancer, might as well just let it burn

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:18:46 No.28718950 Report

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>>28718810
Yeah that sounds totally legit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:19:59 No.28718972 Report

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>>28718810
>SUMO

End your life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:20:16 No.28718976 Report

Quoted By: >>28719031

>>28718930
Perhaps the same could be said of all metas, except maybe gen4's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:21:51 No.28719004 Report

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>>28716378
That line was golden

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:23:31 No.28719031 Report

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>>28718976
Gen 3 meta is decent

What are this thread's thoughts on Team Preview? It just doesn't feel right to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:24:18 No.28719040 Report

Quoted By: >>28719118 >>28719199

Everyone, relax, only one person was for a ban, everyone else in the thread didn't agree. Has the anti smogon circlejerk become so big you'll just believe whatever that faggot OP says without checking the thread in question?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:29:31 No.28719118 Report

Quoted By: >>28719266

>>28719040
Weren't you around for when some rando wanted Scald suspected and /vp/ fucking blew up?
Not anyone with any power, mind you, just a random user who made a thread discussing its potential for a suspect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:34:10 No.28719199 Report

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>>28719040
>Has the anti smogon circlejerk become so big you'll just believe whatever that faggot OP says without checking the thread in question?

This is what happens every time. Most of /vp/ and 90% of the people that complain about Smogon are completely uninformed and just follow the hate bandwagon like the cults they accuse Smogonfags of being.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:37:54 No.28719266 Report

Quoted By: >>28719339

>>28719118
>tfw Scald is only hated because of stall cancer
>tfw Smogon banned the good offensive pokemon but leaves stall cancer alone

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:42:48 No.28719339 Report

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>>28719266
Smogonfags all love Gen 2's meta and cannot cope with the fact that stall is a dead playstyle, but they somehow are able to ban everything that threatens stall in every generation to keep it on life support.

That being said. Smogon does try to do good by banning obviously broken shit and even allowing "box legends" that will never amount to anything into OU like Kyurem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 02:51:16 No.28719480 Report

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>>28718765
An example of how confusion itself isn't the problem is Machamp -- back during Gen IV, he was an amazing lead due to No Guard Dynamicpunch causing coin flips everywhere. Sadly Gen V came by shortly after and Conkeldurr outclassed it in every aspect other than No Guard (and then BIRD happened in Gen VI)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 03:04:31 No.28719697 Report

Quoted By:

Soon would be so much better without the stallfags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 03:41:08 No.28720273 Report

Quoted By: >>28720557

>>28717605
>a hand full suggest that Aegislash should be banned
>suspect test
>people that say it should not absolute majority
>votes get rigged
>Aegislash banned
geh, I wonder what could go wrong

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 03:49:01 No.28720392 Report

Quoted By: >>28721866 >>28723166

>Hey my fellow OverUsed players, ABR and I are coming again today in order to talk about something that has been really broken these past months (at least for us and some accomplished users)

>accomplished users

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 03:59:28 No.28720557 Report

Quoted By: >>28723258

>>28720273
And Smogon blocked people from changing votes to prevent that from happening henceforth AND re-tested Aegislash to give people the decision again.

While it was wrong for the people that went around convincing voters to change their votes to do so, they were right about Aegislash needing to go. If Aegislash only had a good physical attack like its prevos, it would be balanced since burning it would shut it down. In early XY, everyone was running SD Aegislash, which is why it wasn't perceived to be a threat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 05:48:02 No.28721866 Report

Quoted By:

>>28720392
People who agree with him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 05:54:31 No.28721924 Report

Quoted By: >>28726605 >>28726613

Once again we find out gamefreak had it right all along and the bring 6 pick 3 format of battlespot rated singles is indeed the best format with the most diversity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 08:34:01 No.28723166 Report

Quoted By:

>>28720392
The other people who suck Zarel's cock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 08:42:02 No.28723227 Report

Quoted By:

>>28714554
Smogon wants to turn battling into chess.
They honestly should go back to gen 4 and be done with it.
As more complexity and variety is added to abilities and moves the harder will be to leave luck out of the equation, especially considering the battle rules of 6 pokemon-4moves are not gonna change any time soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 08:44:23 No.28723248 Report

Quoted By:

>>28715214
Such a shitty way to play holy fuck all those turns of just them switching back and forth jesus fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 08:46:03 No.28723258 Report

Quoted By: >>28723431

>>28720557
Ultra casual here, how does Aegislash having amazing offensive stats for both sides make it so broken? The fact that it can easily go with a mixed set any time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 08:47:20 No.28723276 Report

Quoted By:

>>28718449
Honesty I've stopped playing OU BECAUSE of the dam stall. Yeah I know you can break through stall with the right team, but it's the sheer abundacy of it that turned me off. At least UU is that stall dependant.

Also, they should bring Hoopa-U back, it's not that great in Ubers and it was one of the few answers for Chansey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:00:30 No.28723378 Report

Quoted By: >>28723665

>>28718449
I don't understand.
Why didn't scizor just bullet punch the clefable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:01:39 No.28723389 Report

Quoted By: >>28723431

If they banned Shadow Tag, it's only logical to ban its variants

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:08:17 No.28723431 Report

Quoted By: >>28723691

>>28723258
The fact you can never really know what it's going to do, and that its various sets all have very, very different ways of dealing with them.
>predict special aegi and it turns out to be subtox
>predict physical aegi and get LO 4 moves mixed aegi
>predict subtox and get SD
etc. Probably the most versatile mon in the game.

>>28723389
Except not really.
Magnet pull only works on a ridiculously small scope of things that generally beat the things with magnet pull 1v1 thanks to every fucking steel type getting EQ.
Arena trap is on things with shit support movepools limited largely to setting rocks. And that's it. Shadow tag has more options, trick and t-wave being two notable ones. As well as being bulky enough to actually switch in ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:20:01 No.28723521 Report

Quoted By:

>>28714554
Lmao Smogon is fucking retarded half of the game mechanics are banned at this point. Who even plays with these shit rules anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:22:02 No.28723533 Report

Quoted By:

>>28717986
Because of Draco Meteor no? DD mence with Draco meteor had 0 counters. All the gen 4 bans were pretty justified imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:22:30 No.28723537 Report

Quoted By:

>>28716654
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:38:42 No.28723665 Report

Quoted By:

>>28723378
Because they can't see the trees for the forest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:41:50 No.28723691 Report

Quoted By: >>28723740 >>28723794

>>28723431
This got me thinking about the 6v6 bring 10 thing here >>28717739

Have 5 Agislash all with different sets and 5 other pokes. Make them guess which Agislash you are gonna use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:44:42 No.28723707 Report

Quoted By: >>28723789

>>28718731
The problem has always been foul play and not swagger and foul play continues to be a problem. Giving stall mons such a powerful and consistent offensive option versus many offensive pokemon naturally buffs stallmon to a ridiculous level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:49:55 No.28723740 Report

Quoted By: >>28723778

>>28723691
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:55:41 No.28723778 Report

Quoted By:

>>28723740
Ohhh ohh and make some sets that people expect shiny so that they think they have figured it out. Then mix it up. Just to piss the shitters off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:57:23 No.28723789 Report

Quoted By: >>28723948

>>28723707
Foul Play is only extensively used by defensive Dark types, of which there are only handful. Outside Dark there are only a few defensive mons that use it and it's always a niche pick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 09:58:00 No.28723794 Report

Quoted By: >>28723814 >>28723882

>>28723691
>species clause

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 10:00:42 No.28723814 Report

Quoted By: >>28723819

>>28723794
Obviously but thats what the other 5 mons are for. Only use one Agislash in a battle. Its all hypothetical anyway numbnuts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 10:01:45 No.28723819 Report

Quoted By:

>>28723814
That's not how it works in VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 10:11:07 No.28723882 Report

Quoted By:

>>28723794
I wonder how viable an AG team with 5 Aegis and one Mega Fug as per tier rules is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 10:14:05 No.28723907 Report

Quoted By: >>28723950

>>28715214
Ugh, this is why I play Triples and doubles only, single battles take too fucking long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 10:19:11 No.28723948 Report

Quoted By:

>>28723789
Not when it was combine with Swagger, anything could use it then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 10:19:15 No.28723950 Report

Quoted By: >>28724075 >>28726872 >>28728718

>>28723907
>Ugh

Kill yourself Tumblr.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 10:34:15 No.28724075 Report

Quoted By:

>>28723950
Ugh, stop opressing me cis nu-male.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:00:49 No.28725995 Report

Quoted By:

>>28718449
Fuck man, banning M-Mawile was the last straw for me, haven't played it ever since

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:08:05 No.28726068 Report

Quoted By: >>28726128

>gets in the way of muh pebbles TIME TO BAN IT
Can't wait for them to remove Defog and Rapidspin because it ruins the hazard meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:14:11 No.28726128 Report

Quoted By: >>28726238 >>28726570

>>28726068
Talk about selective reading. You're complaining just to complain.

>WAH SMOGON LOVES STALL NO FUN
>Dugtrio discussion outlines the numerous benefits it gives to stall in taking out wallbreakers and why this can make for an unhealthy meta with stall coming out on top
>complain about something else

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:19:11 No.28726183 Report

Quoted By:

>>28715214
recovery moves should only have 5 pp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:24:12 No.28726238 Report

Quoted By: >>28726308 >>28727754

>>28726128
it's still just an RU mon with shitty defenses

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:30:08 No.28726308 Report

Quoted By: >>28726444 >>28726570

>>28726238
I don't believe it should be banned for a number of reasons but if you don't see how Dugtrio helps stall out a ton you're too distant from the meta to have an educated opinion.

It runs Sash. And the shitty defenses are actually important so it can reliably get down to 1 HP for Reversal trapping.

Also, food for thought, tiering means jackshit. Tiering is based on usage, which is an imperfect system in evaluating a Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:34:45 No.28726378 Report

Quoted By:

>>28715214
that is the most cancerous thing I have ever seen

how can anyone say this is fun?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:36:03 No.28726394 Report

Quoted By:

>>28714554
Lmao smogonfags are so fucking pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:39:53 No.28726444 Report

Quoted By: >>28726598

>>28726308
Would be relevant if priority, hazards, status and multi hit moves weren't fucking everywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:41:19 No.28726466 Report

Quoted By: >>28726516 >>28726565

So, what can I actually play if I want to have fun in a "competitive" manner?

I want to battle other people, but I don't want to go "lol whatever" because then you only get clowns using legendary teams.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:44:45 No.28726503 Report

Quoted By: >>28726520

>somebody on smogon tries to discuss something
>anti-smogonfags freak the fuck out and start going "SEE WE'RE RIGHT SMOGON IS SHIT"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:46:11 No.28726516 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726466

>I want to battle other people, but I don't want to go "lol whatever" because then you only get clowns using legendary teams.

Smogon :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:46:44 No.28726520 Report

Quoted By: >>28726541 >>28726570

>>28726503
They're not wrong.

The sole fact that anyone on Smogon thinks
>>28715214
is what a healthy meta looks like means they need to kill themselves immediately

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:48:44 No.28726541 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726520

>vgc doesn't have even worse stall

this is what anti-smogonfags actually believe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:50:13 No.28726553 Report

Quoted By: >>28726570

What would happen, theoretically, if Smogon banned the use of direct recovery moves such as roost and soft boiled?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:51:29 No.28726565 Report

Quoted By: >>28726574

>>28726466
Fun and competitive don't mix.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:51:59 No.28726570 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726520
Please read >>28726128 and >>28726308
>>28726553
/vp/ would bitch about it. /vp/ would also bitch about it if they banned Tackle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:52:11 No.28726571 Report

Quoted By:

>>28715214
This was the same guy that made the forum about banning arena trap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:52:21 No.28726574 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726565
But that's wrong.

It's definitely fun to compete against other players. And you DO want some rules, because if not why even bring anything but shit like arceus, mega rayquaza etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:53:29 No.28726586 Report

Quoted By:

>MUH STALL

>YOU HAVE TOO MUCH STALL

It's a real fucking sausage fest isn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:55:39 No.28726598 Report

Quoted By: >>28726696

>>28726444
You know how a trapper works, right? Only the mention of hazards has any relevance here, which is actually what the creators of the discussion thread are saying is hindered by Dugtrio's presence, since it can tighten the pool of hazard setters they can use in combination with Mega Sableye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:56:32 No.28726605 Report

Quoted By:

>>28721924
>not bring six rotation battles
You are objectively wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:57:09 No.28726613 Report

Quoted By:

>>28721924
no, fuck that

3 pokemon is too few

we need 6v6 rated battles

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:57:45 No.28726618 Report

Quoted By:

Whenever I fight against a stall team, I always wait until the last 10 seconds to move and very slowly lose on purpose, then, at the last turn, just disconnect, so they will have to wait even more if they want their precious ladder points. Fuck stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:57:47 No.28726619 Report

Quoted By: >>28726641

>>28715214
>over 100 turns
>only one pokemon faints
>ends in forfeit

fucking hell that was disgusting. 6v6 singles is just too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 14:59:29 No.28726641 Report

Quoted By: >>28726735

>>28726619
But it's not a problem with 6v6 singles, it's a problem with smogon banning so much shit that they push you into making stall recovery teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:03:29 No.28726686 Report

Quoted By:

>They are using the word cancer for everything

Wow in impressed, they are filled with just as much degenerates as /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:03:53 No.28726696 Report

Quoted By: >>28726718

>>28726598
Uh no. Priority moves means you won't bring it to 1 hp so reversal does jack shit, same for burn/toxic. Multi hit moves just kill it and sleep, well I think you can figure this out. There are very few sets it can reliably trap, and even if he manages to kill one pokémon he's guaranteed dead after that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:03:55 No.28726698 Report

Quoted By:

>>28714554
>people complaining about Pokemon being unbalanced

No shit, pokemon is far from competitive with its RNG, and instead of making actual tiers based on power, they base them on use, popularity. Also such a low amount of actual counters, to the point where stall teams are one of the most viable teams you can use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:05:59 No.28726718 Report

Quoted By: >>28726751 >>28726777 >>28726797

>>28726696
So your answer to my question was no, you don't know how a trapper works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:06:02 No.28726719 Report

Quoted By: >>28726754

>>28715819
Those """""""old""""""" players are most likely millennials themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:07:11 No.28726735 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726641
some bans are stupid yeah, but can you explain which bans push stall recovery?

I'm not up to date with all their bans

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:08:28 No.28726751 Report

Quoted By: >>28726855

>>28726718
Nice rebuttal faggot, cry more about how dugtrio is too OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:08:41 No.28726754 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726719
Yeah, but they're players who also mostly cut their teeth in the adv era. Very few people actually played RBYGSC at a competitive level due to a lack of contemporary simulators and the logistics necessary to go to global tournaments to face actual world class competition. 99% of people are local tournaments were people who used starters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:08:44 No.28726755 Report

Quoted By: >>28726823 >>28726949

>>28715214
This is why vgc / doubles is the official way to play Pokemon. It's faster, so you can get more matches in the same time it would take to play one 6v6 match. Thus allowing you to see more quickly what your team needs to be improved in.

It's an improvement to the old Stadium rules. Bring 6. Pick 3. Except now it's Pick 4 because doubles. Item clause does suck, but there can be innovation there. muh vgc boogieman will complain about muh legends and muh chalk, but they have literally never played vgc/doubles before. Every year vgc has new rules. From Regional Dex to National Dex to 2 Restricts allowed.

iirc they had Dark Void as a banned move for a few years before it got unbanned for the latest vgc.

6v6 Singles is an outdated playstyle. Smogon tries to balance the metagame, but they are incredibly bias towards maintaining stall as not only a playstyle but the only playstyle. That game was not fun to watch and I would hate to actually take part in such a battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:10:47 No.28726777 Report

Quoted By: >>28726855

>>28726718
I do know that there is an item, introduced in gen 4 as a response to people who complained about arena trap and magnet pull, which negates the effects of these abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:12:52 No.28726797 Report

Quoted By: >>28726855

>>28726718
he means that if dug switches into an attack, a priority move will be able to finish it off.

if dug switches into sleep, toxic, burn, then it will either not be able to act or the status damage will make the sash useless.

multi-hit moves will defeat sash

it depends on how the players predict switches I guess, but what he said was still kinda relevant

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:15:16 No.28726823 Report

Quoted By: >>28726886

>>28726755
>defending vcg

yeah smogon is ridiculous, but come on.

even without legendaries it would all just be mega kangas and genies everywhere.

some bans are necessary. I don't know why smogon hasn't deemed landorus-T over-centralizing though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:17:31 No.28726855 Report

Quoted By: >>28726881 >>28726883 >>28726994

>>28726751
You're also illiterate apparently.

>>28726777
Yeah, Shed Shell Manaphy was very niche before Shadow Tag was banned because it was one of the few 'secure' outs to being trapped. I use ' ' because of Knock Off.

>>28726797
I know exactly what he means. But that whole mentality goes out the window when you're talking about a trapper.

If you want me to spell it out, the trapper by definition decides who it wants to take out since it always picks the fights it can win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:18:47 No.28726872 Report

Quoted By:

>>28723950
>getting triggered by one word
Do us a favor and what you suggested.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:19:19 No.28726881 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726855
oh yeah I see what you mean. it wouldn't make sense for dug to switch into something with priority, using toxic, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:19:26 No.28726883 Report

Quoted By: >>28726968

>>28726855
Who let the smogonites in? It's a fucking dugtrio, fuck's sake.
>muh trapper
Git gud, fag it's never been a problem for me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:19:43 No.28726886 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726823
Since vgc banned Dark Void for a few years I don't see why they won't consider banning Mega Kang or Lando-T for a year or two. It is a possibility.

Although, Mega Kang and Lando-T have lots of counters to them. They are over-centralizing I agree. I personally find the Prankster genies a lot more cancerous than CHALK.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:22:13 No.28726933 Report

Quoted By: >>28727446

>>28718691
Hard =/= impossible. And impossible to plan for (almost) everything is what's happening. Way too much to plan for means that any tournament will become a bunch of coin tosses for the matchups you're going against. It'll be like playing shitty fighting games with 9/1 matchups all around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:23:14 No.28726949 Report

Quoted By: >>28726976 >>28727091

>>28726755
vgc is garbage. enjoy getting fucked by broken megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:24:54 No.28726968 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726883
I am gud. If you're the same guy from before, I hope you learn to read one day, so you can see where I made it clear earlier that I don't believe it should be banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:25:17 No.28726976 Report

Quoted By: >>28727080

>>28726949
>Broken Megas

As opposed to Mega Sableye?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:26:47 No.28726994 Report

Quoted By: >>28727078

>>28726855
But with the current meta, there's very few fights it can win, even in a full pokemon team. Something will either have a non effective/low attack/fixed damage move, status, multi hit move, u-turn or is just bulky enough to survive and kill. It takes a full retard regular attacks only set to be fucked by this one-trick pony but honestly at this point you deserve to die anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:34:04 No.28727078 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726994
>Chansey
>Heatran
>Excadrill
>Tyranitar
>Bisharp
>Kyurem-B
>Mega Diancie
>Mega Charizard X
>Klefki
>Magnezone
>Mega Manectric
>Raikou
>Volcanion

The thing holding it back from seeing a lot of play on balance is hazards, but some teams with the power and hazard management to back it up do run it, like Mega Gardevoir, Mega Charizard Y, Mega Alakazam, and Volcarona teams. It's more regularly seen on stall since hazards rarely get/stay up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:34:13 No.28727080 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726976
So you're telling me that you think that mega sabelye is as good as mega mom?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:34:50 No.28727091 Report

Quoted By: >>28727130 >>28727144 >>28727552 >>28727586 >>28727887 >>28727905 >>28728056

>>28726949
Mega-Kang is beaten by Ferrothorn, Burn, Intimidate, Rocky Helmet, just doubling up on its slot, etc. Literally have never been a problem for anyone good.
Mega-Salamence is beaten by all the Fairy spam.
Mega-Gardevoir has no physical bulk.
Mega-Lucario is a niche shitmon.
Mega-Mawile is okay. Not amazing. Not bad.
Mega-Gengar is frail and a one trick pony in Perish Trapping.
Mega-CharY is good, but dies to one Rock falling on its toes.
Mega-CharX is a niche Mega-Salamence.
Mega-Swampert is a niche on Rain teams.
Mega-Camerupt is a niche on hardcore Trick Room teams.
Mega-Metagross is disappointing in its strength.
Mega-Lopunny is a one trick pony in Fake Out-Encore
Mega-Venusaur is the closest thing to stall in vgc, but it dies to Bird.
Mega-Gyarados is a niche DD user.
Mega-Manectric is a super powerful Raikou, but eh mega overall.
Mega-Obama is just Obama but stronger. All the same flaws.

all other megas are irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:37:21 No.28727130 Report

Quoted By: >>28727243

>>28727091

So you think that legendaries should be unbanned then? After all, they all have counters, so that means they're balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:38:28 No.28727144 Report

Quoted By: >>28727243

>>28727091

Most of the megas you listed aren't in ubers. Mega kangaskhan, mega mence, and mega gengar are the only banned ones you listed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:45:18 No.28727243 Report

Quoted By:

>>28727130
>>28727144
I'm replying to the vgc guy. Learn to read newfags before spouting your smogon hate. Nice b8 tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:58:43 No.28727446 Report

Quoted By: >>28727846

>>28726933
Yeah, but sun and moon introduce:
-Viable Electric Terrain
-Sweepstopper Pyukumuku
-Rock type prio
-Prio nullifying ability
Probably usefull too:
-Free sub Mimikyu
-Let's dance ability
-Mudsdale as physical wall (multi hit punisher)
Smogon can't take all these additions without either banning the shit out of them or restructuring of the tiering process.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:06:33 No.28727552 Report

Quoted By:

>>28727091
>mega fug is irrelevant

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:09:32 No.28727586 Report

Quoted By:

>>28727091
>lol mons have weaknesses, that doesn't mean they're broken at all XD
You're an idiot who shouldn't even be posting here

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:09:55 No.28727594 Report

Quoted By: >>28727981

>>28717739
>>28718691
It really wouldn't be hard for somebody to make a browser-based draft-picker for pokemon. Like you make a profile, which has 30 pokemon that you have, and you each get 5 bans or something and after that, you take turns picking, like 1-2-2-2-1-2 or something

You could use smogon tiers as a baseline (all 30 pokemon in the profile must be OU or lower) but they would obviously have to rethink some of their bans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:18:39 No.28727754 Report

Quoted By:

>>28726238

If that's gonna be your argument then just leave the thread. You have no business here

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:24:17 No.28727846 Report

Quoted By: >>28727981

>>28727446
Why would they give a shit about priority nullifying or rock priority? We got Technician Fighting Priority in gen 5, and fucking that fucking brave bird in gen 6. Plus priority users like Breloom or Scizor don't give a shit about that fish. Its ability will be way more useful in doubles where it stops Fake Out and whatnot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:26:46 No.28727887 Report

Quoted By:

>>28727091
>M-Kang isn't a problem
>is on 70-90% of all teams across all qualifiers since gen 6 began

Just because something has ways to deal with it doesn't mean it's not a malevolent influence on the meta. In doubles nothing is quite as OP as anything in singles is capable of just because of how doubles works, doesn't mean that megas and M-Kang in particular haven't centralized the meta in an unhealthy way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:27:18 No.28727905 Report

Quoted By:

>>28727091

This probably has to be the dumbest thing I've read all year. Seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:28:43 No.28727921 Report

Quoted By: >>28727946 >>28728048 >>28728143

How do I make the most optimal team for pissing off Smogonfags?

I want to break every rule in the book.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:30:16 No.28727946 Report

Quoted By:

>>28727921
grab a cookie-cutter Stall team

>Smogonfags
So do you not care about VGC or what

what's your deal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:32:11 No.28727981 Report

Quoted By: >>28728154 >>28728283

>>28727846
The vast majority of new stuff they're adding in gen 7 ability and movewise has been focused on doubles which makes sense since they're finally beginning to promote VGC in a meaningful way.

>>28727594
I've thought about this, I think it would be amazing if they would do something like this, like you have a battle box of 30 each and each player can draft from their box, and block from the opponent box.

The enemy player can't see anything about the pokemon other than the sprite, they just get to say 'lol no you're not bringing Kang fuck that thing'. It makes the 'team building' component of strategy take place in real time.

I doubt they'd ever do it on cart though because the average player has a hard time building a team of 6 much less a full box that has tons of subtle synergies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:35:40 No.28728048 Report

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>>28727921
Unfortunately they did the infinite battle clause, before that I was running a bot with a leppa berry Gardevoir and skill swap Trevenant, It would send Trev in, skill swap them, then switch to Gardevoir, trace harvest, trap them, then spam heal pulse and wish infinitely until they left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:36:02 No.28728056 Report

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>>28727091
>Mega-Salamence is beaten by all the Fairy spam.
no

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:41:00 No.28728143 Report

Quoted By: >>28728186

>>28727921

"Smogonfags" play on showdown so I'm not sure how you plan on pissing them off

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:41:45 No.28728154 Report

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>>28727981
yeah but smogon is an online community, the tiers and clauses don't exist on cart but people play that way. If the meta is in fact becoming too diverse, battle box draft picking is the way to remedy that. Yeah, you cant always have a roar user, but if you see it is necessary based on your opponent's picks, you can grab it if it wasn't banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:43:17 No.28728186 Report

Quoted By: >>28729499

>>28728143
Oh wait so they just kinda sit in their own little hugbox playing with eachother?

That's okay then, if they were trying to force rules on the game itself then I'd be piddled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:47:25 No.28728257 Report

Quoted By: >>28728283

Holy shit you can't be serious, I thought this was for a lower tier or something

Every gen more whiny scrubs get power there

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:48:51 No.28728283 Report

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>>28728257
make the battle draft box with me and this>>28727981 anon. We will be the new, better smogon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:01:09 No.28728501 Report

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>duggy
>msab
>ttar
>mag
>goth
>tran

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:03:24 No.28728535 Report

Quoted By: >>28729733

>>28715214
>Over 100 turns of stalling
>Only one pokemon dies
>It's due to arena trap dugtrio
>The guy who got caught by the arena trap is the one advocating for the ability to be banned

You can't make this shit up

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:15:24 No.28728718 Report

Quoted By: >>28729525

>>28723950
What does that have to do with that site

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:00:56 No.28729465 Report

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>I got rekt by this thing, therefore I think that it is in the best interest of the community that it is never allowed to be used ever again
How can anyone honestly believe that this is a healthy mindset?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:02:53 No.28729499 Report

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>>28728186

>anti-smogonfags are this retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:04:36 No.28729525 Report

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>>28728718
Only people who say "ugh" are literally women.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:14:29 No.28729663 Report

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The problem with the last few bans have been that banning utility/support mons was done very rarely/never before gen 6. Smogon just doesn't know a good way to do it in a fair way because of the sheer way support pokemon works.

Honestly the last few bans can be reversed and just ban Scolipede and ban M-Sableye. Those
are the real problem. Dugtrio is strong because M-Sableye exists. Baton Pass is broken because Scolipede is too good compared to other speed boosters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:18:15 No.28729729 Report

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Just ban Sub+Protect since the only use it has is to abuse speedpass anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:18:22 No.28729733 Report

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>>28728535
You're right you can't, since it's the one using the Dugtrio advocating for the ban.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:22:49 No.28729803 Report

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>>28714554
>please do not bring up the bp suspect to make it look like the ou playerbase is just randomly trying to get rid of annoying things on a whim
Yeah we can't have that.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:01:46 No.28730528 Report

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>There are people who unironically want to make Pokemon into a competitive game
>There are people who unironically, UNIRONICALLY consider Pokemon a competitive game
Get this
>There are people who make rules in order to make this shitty RNG fest a competitive game
>There are people, who breathe the same air as you, have had long plentiful lives, have had an education, can read, write, reason and use the internet.
>These people actually believe, from the bottom of their hearts, that they can make Pokemon into a competitive game by adding fan-made rules.
>They actually think this game takes skill
>They actually ban things that make the game uncompetitive while leaving others unbanned
>They ban things for being overcentralizing while leaving other overcentralizing things unbanned
>They actually take this seriously because they honestly believe this shitty luck-based game can ever be considered a skill-based game.
It makes me laugh every time.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:07:52 No.28730649 Report

Quoted By: >>28731511

>>28714554
>"ABR and I are coming again today in order to talk about something that has been really broken these past months (at least for us and some accomplished users)"
>At least for us and some accomplished users
>At least for us

Why is anyone using Smogon rulesets when it's being dictated by scrubs who hate their childish metas getting ruined by intuitive people that kick their shit in?

Having the rules be dictated by these man-children is worse than dealing with Battle Spot Legendfags.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:11:26 No.28730724 Report

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>There are people who get this bootyblasted over a community that is, at its core, house rules made official; a community that they can simply ignore if they don't like or agree to their rules
>Instead they come to /vp/ to shitpost and write lengthy shitposts about how they don't care about that community

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:34:44 No.28731141 Report

Quoted By:

>>28714554
absolutely disgusting. smogon are a bunch of retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:46:03 No.28731362 Report

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>>28716343
>he

kill yourself herpes

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:52:11 No.28731482 Report

Quoted By: >>28731687

ABR, the person who made the infamous ABR Stall with Mega Sableye team and the OP of the Dugtrio thing, is in the OU room right now and he wants to see Mega Sableye resuspected.

But that can't be possible since Smogonfags just want to keep their precious Stall at the top.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:53:41 No.28731511 Report

Quoted By:

>>28730649
literally the same guy that abuses dugtrio says it should be banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 20:04:03 No.28731687 Report

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>>28731482
Mega Sableye isn't banworthy. What needs to go to end stall's reign is Chansey/Blissey.

I've been saying it for years now. As for Baton Pass, the hits should've been on Manaphy and Espeon. If Chansey goes, there's no reason to justify Manaphy, so I would have Tail Glow be banned since CM Manaphy is fine. And as for Espeon, ban Stored Power, since that's the one thing that has always been making Baton Pass broken.

Stall will be forced to rely on more passive substitutes for the Chansey line, like Cresselia, which fortunately can't do as much damage as Seismic Toss. Baton Pass will use big attackers but phazing and Unaware will be able to stand a chance since going into Espeon doesn't just mean gg.

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