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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:52:31 No.28727353 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>28727539 >>28728883 >>28729071 >>28729330 >>28729384 >>28729604 >>28731714

find a flaw

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 15:59:38 No.28727463 Report

Quoted By: >>28727520

Why is 3.41% the cutoff?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:03:30 No.28727520 Report

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>>28727463
It's apparently when you are at least 50% likely to see it in 20 battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 16:05:21 No.28727539 Report

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>>28727353
It's a fucking BL, that's the flaw

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:26:23 No.28728883 Report

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>>28727353
Dragalge, Pangoro and Froslass are too good for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:37:14 No.28729071 Report

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>>28727353
Oh wow, several mons I like are in here. I kind of want to use Pangoro in SM now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:52:03 No.28729330 Report

Quoted By: >>28729346 >>28731026

>>28727353
Why are BL tiers getting so big recently? Last gen they had 7 and 2 Pokémon respectively, now it's 17 and 20 Pokémon, what went wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:53:11 No.28729346 Report

Quoted By: >>28729397 >>28729523

>>28729330
They went ban happy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:55:02 No.28729376 Report

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I cannot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:55:40 No.28729384 Report

Quoted By: >>28729744 >>28731591

>>28727353

Wouldn't all these pokemon (not toally but somewhat) balance each other out? Mega steelix wouldn't be OP with moltres and houndoom and shit.

this is dumb as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:56:38 No.28729397 Report

Quoted By: >>28729441 >>28729724 >>28731051

>>28729346
This, fucking Hydreigon got suspect tested in Uu and will probably end up being in Bl cause muh Draco Meteor too strong despite it being in the same tier as Sylveon, it's counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:57:17 No.28729406 Report

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All those weak ass megas when mega mom exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 17:59:21 No.28729441 Report

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>>28729397
Great, so they're gonna now ban one of the best fire powers in UU to ? I think I'm just gonna limit myself to regular Wi-Fi from now on.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:02:31 No.28729493 Report

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Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:04:23 No.28729523 Report

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>>28729346
Out of these I only find Moltres and Dragalge questionable though, the rest clearly deserves the ban. I see it more as a bad case of power creep desu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:09:34 No.28729602 Report

Quoted By: >>28730027

>Salamence, Gyarados and Metagross managed to fit just fine in UU
>Staraptor is still in BL

What the hell is up with this bird?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:09:36 No.28729604 Report

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>>28727353
I love me some Noivern, Slurpuff, and Tyrantrum. Highly underrated mons desu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:18:02 No.28729724 Report

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>>28729397

I'm personally not for the Hydreigon suspect, I don't see the point right now, but Sylveon counters Hydreigon? Since when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:19:09 No.28729744 Report

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>>28729384

No, they really wouldn't. Hence, why they all got suspected and all got banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:21:37 No.28729776 Report

Quoted By: >>28730533 >>28730641

what's a nice set for Dragalge? I really wanna try one since I love it's design, and most underused mons seem to do great in OU or above, since people don't expect them.

Is he more utility or defensive or both? defensive sp attacker perhaps? never really tried him out. I'm leaning more towards sp. wall with some offense

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:35:37 No.28730027 Report

Quoted By: >>28730254

>>28729602

Salamence got recently banned from UU (took them long enough, not sure why they even allowed it back in UU in the first place when they previously banned it from XY UU) and Metagross received too many nerfs (gaining a dark and ghost weakness, as well as getting it's main stab move nerfed) so it's not even broken in UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:47:49 No.28730254 Report

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>>28730027
Alright, I kinda get that then. I still don't get what's with Staraptor though. Is it really that hard to deal with? I know it hits like a truck but I'm still curious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:56:50 No.28730435 Report

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>>28730254

Yep, that's the thing. Staraptor for UU is fast and OHKO'd or just barely doesn't anyone who doesn't resist it. And then with Final Gambit most of it's counters become checks at best, it's most reliable counter being Mega Aerodactyl but it already has to be in it's mega state, and you have to not have rocks on your side, and Mega Aggron if it doesn't have Final Gambit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 18:59:39 No.28730483 Report

Quoted By: >>28731369

>>28729724
Sylveon counters every set without Iron Tail or Flash Cannon. I guess it can't be considered an hard counter because both moves are reasonably common, but it's still an huge threat for Hydreigon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:02:06 No.28730533 Report

Quoted By: >>28730920

>>28729776
Max HP/ Max SpA
Modest
Hydro Pump
Focus Blast
Draco Meteror
Sludge Bomb
Choice Specs
Adaptability
If you can saftley switch in, with a trick room set up, you'll be unstoppable

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:07:41 No.28730641 Report

Quoted By: >>28730920

>>28729776

I use an adaptability dragalge with draco meteor, sludge wave, toxic spikes, and scald

Even being a specially defensive set it is surprisingly powerful since adaptability gives a lot of power behind sludge wave and draco meteor even with minimal offensive investment

>hurdur smogon
Good moves are good moves, nothing getting around that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:21:55 No.28730920 Report

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>>28730533
yeah trick room seems ideal for an offenssive set like this, I'll give it a try
>>28730641
this one sounds great for some utility too, while hitting hard which comes useful

alright thanks for the input lads

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:28:09 No.28731026 Report

Quoted By: >>28731097 >>28731142

>>28729330
>recently
Check gen3's BL, that thing is stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:29:30 No.28731051 Report

Quoted By: >>28731279

>>28729397
How the fuck is that thing being suspect tested. Florges and Slyveon hard wall it with 4x SE stab attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:32:28 No.28731097 Report

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>>28731026
>49 mons

What the fuck? That's big enough to be its own playable tier. That's almost double of G/S which had 25.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:34:45 No.28731142 Report

Quoted By: >>28731237

>>28731026
Gen 3 BL was just autists saying "lol this mon is too strong let's ban it" often without even playtesting them(I'm not making this up, there was a thread a while back about gen 3 players wanting to revamp ADV UU and they specifically mentioned this as the reason why BL is so huge). In gen 4, 5 and gen 6 BL has been handled with actual suspect tests.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:38:51 No.28731219 Report

Quoted By: >>28731387

can someone explain why shuckle was banned? It seems really passive and has no recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:39:39 No.28731237 Report

Quoted By: >>28731294

>>28731142
Suddenly that explains why Jumpluff is there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:41:59 No.28731279 Report

Quoted By: >>28731331

>>28731051
because it's annoying to be forced to run sylveon or florges if you don't want ot be bodied by hydreigon and even if you have them, iron tail 2hkos them

although i think conkeldurr is more broken than it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:42:34 No.28731294 Report

Quoted By: >>28731377

>>28731237
Yeah, it seems really weird seeing stuff like that, Dodrio and Scizor in BL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:44:23 No.28731331 Report

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>>28731279
Yeah, but iron tail is very inaccurate and is very unlikely even on the switch to kill them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:46:32 No.28731369 Report

Quoted By: >>28731464

>>28730483
I'm pretty sure Sylveon can take 2 Flash Cannons,maybe not if Hydrei runs specs though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:46:55 No.28731377 Report

Quoted By: >>28731550

>>28731294
Scizor was a decently good baton passer back then I think. All Jumpluff could do was try to Encore a slower set up wallbreaker like a shittier Whimsicott or run a subseed set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:47:16 No.28731387 Report

Quoted By: >>28731529

>>28731219
Guaranteed setup of Sticky Web in a tier that has few ways to reliably remove it. It + 5 HO Pokemon were too common in the tier, and one of the few options to deal with it, Xatu, would just end up bodied by the other Pokemon without actually removing Shuckle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:51:14 No.28731464 Report

Quoted By: >>28731545 >>28731574

>>28731369
0 Atk Hydreigon Iron Tail vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 214-252 (54.7 - 64.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

if you run offense, scarf hydreigon destroys you and gets a kill no matter what

if you run balance, LO hydreigon destroys your life

if you run stall and semi-stall, stallbreaker hydreigon destroys your life

hydreigon is pretty broken desu playing the suspect test makes you realize it because you aren't forced to run mach punch on offense or a fairy on more defensive teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:54:59 No.28731529 Report

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>>28731387
I see, makes more sense now, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:55:31 No.28731545 Report

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>>28731464
I said Flash Cannon, but fair enough, are there not any walls that can T Wave it without getting 2 shot from common sets?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:55:51 No.28731550 Report

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>>28731377
I just don't see it being broken in UU or anything. It fits in Baton Pass stuff, but it's not amazing or anything. Its offensive movepool is so bad even Flareon wouldn't be jealous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:56:14 No.28731554 Report

Quoted By: >>28731681

>>28729744
yes they would. you're just a smogonite about to get fucked in the ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:57:15 No.28731574 Report

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>>28731464
Run the specs set since it's only a 55% chance of Slyveon get hit twice and it only needs to attack once

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 19:58:45 No.28731591 Report

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>>28729384
Well no. If you want MHoundoom and Moltres to counter MSteelix you frist need something to counter them first,
They ban one mon and then ban the next, there was a point when any of those was baned so is obvious that they dont balance each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 20:03:33 No.28731681 Report

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>>28731554

lol you couldn't be any more wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 20:05:26 No.28731714 Report

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>>28727353
moltres existing at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Sep 2016 20:07:54 No.28731774 Report

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Dugtrio isn't in it.

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