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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:16:20 No.28787736 View View Reply Original Report

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What's your opinion on Stealth Rocks /vp/?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:18:14 No.28787780 Report

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>>28787736
Charizard isn't affected by it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:19:10 No.28787798 Report

Quoted By: >>28788863 >>28791194

Only cowards use them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:19:46 No.28787809 Report

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The glorious moth of fire is rendered useless because of these things, so fuck em.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:19:46 No.28787811 Report

Quoted By: >>28788375

It removes birds so it's okay by me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:20:04 No.28787817 Report

Quoted By: >>28787832 >>28788473

>>28787736
We need an alternate version of a different type to make things more varied. an ice type stealth-cicles maybe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:20:33 No.28787828 Report

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>>28787736
It's anti-fun and should be banned from 6v6 singles together with direct healing moves such as soft boiled and roost

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:20:55 No.28787832 Report

Quoted By: >>28791522

>>28787817

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:48:27 No.28788318 Report

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>>28787736
>Ashnime
>opponent used Stealth Rock
>hurr Conkeldurr for no reason let me sent all my Pokemon to the place where opponent used Stealth Rock
I'll never understand Ashnime logics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:50:58 No.28788355 Report

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>>28787736

Interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:51:04 No.28788357 Report

Quoted By: >>28788526 >>28788587

I think the move itself is fine, but it should have had much less distribution. ONLY Rock types should be able to learn it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:52:01 No.28788375 Report

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>>28787811

You can't battle Birds in Pokémon battles, Silly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 20:58:21 No.28788473 Report

Quoted By: >>28790649

>>28787817
Except all of the Water types would learn it making them even more broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:00:40 No.28788504 Report

Quoted By: >>28788557

>>28787736
We would have a much better meta if they were removed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:02:39 No.28788526 Report

Quoted By: >>28788583

>>28788357
This. Though there's no way GF would ever make so many pokémon suddenly unable to get a move.
The change I'm hoping for is either SR doing 12.5% damage to All pokémon regardless of typing, OR make it so they only do half the damage if used by a non-rock type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:04:32 No.28788557 Report

Quoted By: >>28788584 >>28791585

>>28788504

But the meta is perfectly in balance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:05:46 No.28788583 Report

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>>28788526
How about the damage it deals is halved across all type combinations? Like, 4x weakness does 1/4, 2x does 1/8, 1x 1/16, 1/2x+ does 1/32?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:05:48 No.28788584 Report

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>>28788557
Haha, nice one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:06:01 No.28788587 Report

Quoted By: >>28790542

>>28788357
Same problem with Earthquake. Anything that's weak to those moves just gets fucked unless it has an amazing ability and the stats to back it up.

Stealth Rock and Earthquake skew the metagame WAY too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:06:42 No.28788600 Report

Quoted By: >>28788792 >>28789457

>>28787736
I hate them, along with all entry hazards. I don't think they should be removed from the game, but Smogon should make a meta-game that's basically OU but all entry hazards are b&.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:09:10 No.28788639 Report

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>>28787736
Annoying but it's never destroyed me? idk

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:11:46 No.28788688 Report

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>>28788583
I don't like it as much but it's more likely to happen assuming there will ever be a SR nerf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:16:16 No.28788765 Report

Quoted By: >>28791636

Love them. They let you punish idiots that can't keep up with offensive builds and are forced to switch out.

If you play offense SR will always make games faster and punish passive play.

Seriously, I like stall, but I don't like playing against it, if you pair SR with a hood offensive backbone you will never need to play long games ever again.

The only people I see that complain about SR appear to be idiots who can't build proper teams capable of self sustainability or that lack enough offensive presence to back up their composition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:18:25 No.28788792 Report

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>>28788600
It has been tried several times since they got introduces. No one ever plays them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:22:54 No.28788863 Report

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>>28787798
The irony here is that rocks achieve OHKOs for bravest bird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:28:24 No.28788967 Report

Quoted By: >>28790530

>>28787736
>Entry hazards that can be avoided by abilities or using the right types
Good idea and create a healthy meta. Need more of them.

>Typed Entry Hazards that can only be removed with two very niche moves run almost exclusively to counter it
Literally a bigger shift in meta than mega evolution, and far more cancerous.

Would love more stuff like Toxic Spikes and Sticky Web, but Stealth Rock was a mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:32:56 No.28789039 Report

Quoted By: >>28790948

Stealth Rock would be better if it was treated as a weather condition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:55:35 No.28789429 Report

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It shouldn't hit for half the hp of a pokemon imo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 21:57:26 No.28789457 Report

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>>28788600
Nobody wants them. It turns out punishing people for switching too often is actually a wanted thing. Who knew?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 22:03:23 No.28789549 Report

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Not an overused move in any relevant format
my only problem with it is that it's better than spikes in any single way, on top of having a way larger distribution

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 22:04:02 No.28789556 Report

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>>28787736
Needs to be crushed by rocks. Fine other than that

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 22:53:01 No.28790428 Report

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Not very stealthy if you ask me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 22:57:46 No.28790509 Report

Quoted By: >>28790612

Controversial opinion: forget Stealth Rocks. Substitute ruins the meta.

If Substitute were removed I feel like the vast majority of the meta's problems would evaporate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 22:59:36 No.28790530 Report

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>>28788967
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:00:36 No.28790542 Report

Quoted By: >>28790567 >>28790601

>>28788587

I don't understand earthquake

Huge distribution, 100 bp, 100% Acc

There aren't any other moves like that, even the thunderbolt clones got nerfed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:01:45 No.28790555 Report

Quoted By: >>28790565

I won't call it overpowered, but I will say it's unfair beyond repair as it is. A lot of great Pokémon, or Pokémon you like and really want to use are rendered useless because of their typing, just because of this one singular move. It was a novel idea among entry hazards with poor execution and needs to be nerfed since it can't be removed from future generations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:02:34 No.28790565 Report

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>>28790555
Most mons I like are rendered useless because of Brave Bird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:02:38 No.28790567 Report

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>>28790542
Most widespread immunity in flying.

Seriously only flying and water got that many type combinations, also levitate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:04:15 No.28790594 Report

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I'm not going to be one of those guys who hates on entry hazards simply because I feel they "hurt the meta", because they don't. But stealth rock is the one entry hazard I hate simply because its the only entry hazard that brings type effectiveness into the equation. Why does it work with stealth rock only?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:04:41 No.28790601 Report

Quoted By: >>28792008

>>28790542
Japanese people are very aware of the power of earthquakes. It should get BP nerf though. It was supposed to be 'balanced' by having lower PP but that never plays itself out in a typical battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:05:20 No.28790612 Report

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>>28790509
Explain, please?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:07:26 No.28790642 Report

Quoted By: >>28791384 >>28791637

A meta without Stealth Rock is a terrible one. Stealth Rock makes games faster and punishes switching and keeps many broken things in check.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:07:46 No.28790649 Report

Quoted By: >>28790705

>>28788473
Or, how about this? Only Ice Types can learn it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:11:06 No.28790705 Report

Quoted By: >>28790721

>>28790649
Nah, ice types can't have nice things.

Water is the favorite type at GF.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:12:36 No.28790721 Report

Quoted By: >>28791299

>>28790705
You mean Fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:17:07 No.28790784 Report

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I play 3v3 singles so entry hazards aren't much of an issue for me, but if Smogon is going to adamantly stick with 6v6 singles aka cancer, then they really need to reign in some of the more egregious entry hazards because dear lord they have too much of an influence and render far too many Pokemon useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:20:32 No.28790832 Report

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>>28790612
It does too much. A free hit from any amount of damage, allows you to scout (Protect, basically, but without the chance penalty), stays up if the enemy doesn't do damage or enough damage... it just does too much. Think about how many stall and/or annoyer strategies rely on substitute

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:25:12 No.28790892 Report

Quoted By: >>28790959

Make sneaky pebbles a flat 1/8th against everything that is immune to Ground and no damage otherwise
Increases value of spikes, doesn't destroy certain unlucky mons

Add pokemon with abilities that remove or ignore existing entry hazards when switching in
Add new entry hazard types (Shock Trap that paralyzes switch-ins but only works once per application, Grounds and Electrics clear all layers and are immune)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:29:42 No.28790948 Report

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>>28789039
>What is sandstorm

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:30:15 No.28790959 Report

Quoted By: >>28791171

>>28790892
The paralyzis trap is beyond stupid.

Do you realize that people in singles already hate Clefable for it's omni present twave? Don't make bullshit like this worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:45:42 No.28791171 Report

Quoted By: >>28791557

>>28790959
I really wish they'd add a weaker version of Paralysis, like one that just slowed you (as a status) or had a lower chance of stopping your moves, etc.

They did it with Poison and Toxic, why can't they do that with Paralysis, and Sleep for that matter? There should be a weaker sleep that breaks on Contact moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:47:17 No.28791194 Report

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>>28787798
Only cowards use Talonflame.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:55:25 No.28791288 Report

Quoted By: >>28791372

Imo rocks & other traps should just punish tactical switching and have zero effect on KO-induced switching.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:56:17 No.28791299 Report

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>>28790721

No, it's still consistently Water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:57:55 No.28791320 Report

Quoted By: >>28791337 >>28791379

Rock-types now absorb Stealth Rock on switch-in like Poison-types absorb Toxic Spikes. How does this change the meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2016 23:59:20 No.28791337 Report

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>>28791320
Aurorus finally stands a chance

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:00:11 No.28791346 Report

Quoted By: >>28791390 >>28791431

I think if anything should be considered "centralizing" it should be SR. Not all hazards, just Rocks.

The move forces you to carry a spinner and makes entire Pokemon types virtually unusable. Not that many bird, bug and ice mons were good to begin with, but that doesn't change the unfairness. I think there should be a clause against it, personally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:01:35 No.28791372 Report

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>>28791288
I wouldn't mind this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:02:23 No.28791379 Report

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>>28791320
LYCANROC BECOMES #1

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:02:42 No.28791384 Report

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>>28790642
Hazards are fine, SR itself is bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:02:55 No.28791390 Report

Quoted By: >>28791420

>>28791346

The problem is that nerfing or removing them makes the game way more stally as there is less to punish frequent switch ins.

Spikes is good but flying type pivots and levitators would then just dominate the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:06:23 No.28791420 Report

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>>28791390
I do understand the issue about punishing switch ins, do you think removing the type effectiveness element (not that it would happen) would be a compromise?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:07:09 No.28791431 Report

Quoted By: >>28791581

>>28791346
It doesn't really forces you, there are some very successful offensive teams that don't bother removing rocks, they just wallbreak offensively.

The wake of specs Latios+Keldeo+physical Diancie proves this.

Hazard control is actually optional, some like to set up rocks as first move and in most scenarios in high play that can be seen as a mistake or old 4th gen lingering methodology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:11:17 No.28791472 Report

Quoted By: >>28791529

>>28787736
1. People need to stop bitching because hazards are only relevant in singles.
2. If retards refuse to stop playing exclusively singles, GF should make defog a tutor move in Gen VII so there is a wider variety of trap removal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:14:51 No.28791522 Report

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>>28787832
>sodomizing snowmen

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:15:39 No.28791529 Report

Quoted By: >>28791600

>>28791472
>I play VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:18:27 No.28791557 Report

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>>28791171
>What is Sticky Web?
>What is Yawn?

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:20:17 No.28791580 Report

Quoted By: >>28791650

>>28787736
reduce damage taken by half from stealth rocks so the max is 25% of HP

there, balanced

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:20:17 No.28791581 Report

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>>28791431
This. Literally the only reason I have a spinner is because I wanted to use Volcarona on a team for once. Otherwise I've never had a dedicated spinner before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:20:52 No.28791585 Report

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>>28788557
Try to say that without raughing

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:21:39 No.28791600 Report

Quoted By: >>28791921

>>28791529
>I play Smogon OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:24:54 No.28791636 Report

Quoted By: >>28792257

>>28788765
This.
Also, Stealth Rocks keep quite a lot of Pokemon in check, while also enabling easier KOs for other. And let's face it, most Shitmons are the way they are because of bad stats, abilities or movepools. A Pokemon can become OU even with a quad-weakness to rocks, as, for example, Talonflame and Charizard Y prove.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:24:58 No.28791637 Report

Quoted By: >>28791814 >>28791822

>>28790642
Pokémon is all about switching. Punishing that is like having Mega Man lose some life everytime he jumps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:25:44 No.28791650 Report

Quoted By: >>28791822

>>28791580
reduce PP to 5 (max 8) or, even better, reduce PP to 1 (max 2)

there, balanced

the main problem with Stealth Rocks is you have to clear them away up to 32 times if you have a Bug / Fire / Ice / Flying type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:39:04 No.28791814 Report

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>>28791637
>Jumping in Mega Man
Filthy Casual.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:39:35 No.28791822 Report

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>>28791637
No. It's more like an enemy placing floating traps so Megaman can't bunnyhop carelessly across the map.
>>28791650
>clear rocks
>switch sweeper in
>set up on rocks setter
>proceed to sweep
>ZOMG SO MUCH PP STALLING ROCKS TOO OP!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:46:04 No.28791921 Report

Quoted By: >>28792013

>>28791600
is that from power rangers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:49:58 No.28791974 Report

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>>28787736

No entry hazard should be able to remove 50% of the health of a Pokemon. It should do half damage and it would be fine. It's stackable with Spikes and Toxic spikes, so really no reason to have them make so much damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:51:53 No.28792008 Report

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>>28790601
PP only ever matters ingame, much like out of battle poison. They really need to rework the whole mechanic, but, I doubt they ever will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:52:09 No.28792013 Report

Quoted By: >>28792052

>>28791921
ToQger, which may or may not be used in the next season in 2017.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 00:54:42 No.28792052 Report

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>>28792013
weird how after all these years, you can still just tell when something is sentai/power rangers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 01:00:37 No.28792135 Report

Quoted By: >>28792398

Helps keep a lot of broken shit in check. Kinda hate it makes most ice type useless but oh well

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 01:05:52 No.28792218 Report

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Sneaky Pebbles

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 01:10:06 No.28792257 Report

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>>28791636
That doesn't make it right to punish the people who choose to use them.

>b-but muh karen boogeyman

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 01:26:01 No.28792398 Report

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>>28792135
Ice types where useless from the beginning.

If you are an ice type with less than 75 base speed, well you suck.

Abomasnow dodged the bullet as the face of hail stall in Gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2016 03:36:06 No.28794135 Report

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>>28787736
Norox is a fun little metagame I played with a few friends and it's worth trying.

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