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Moves that shouldn't exist

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 00:33:54 No.28905025 View View Reply Original Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 00:46:07 No.28905276 Report

Quoted By: >>28905515

>>28905025
After you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 00:47:47 No.28905320 Report

Quoted By: >>28912069

Scald

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 00:51:47 No.28905377 Report

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>>28905025
It's a very niche move in doubles.

Slam

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 00:53:59 No.28905421 Report

Quoted By: >>28906170

>>28905025

All Moves should exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 00:54:22 No.28905432 Report

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>>28905025
>He doesn't use it with ttar and sand rush stoutland for focus punch in doubles

What a shitter

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 00:55:06 No.28905446 Report

Quoted By: >>28909169

>>28905025
>can't wait to see what my pokemon's last level up moves are!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 00:55:40 No.28905457 Report

Quoted By: >>28905561 >>28906024

Hidden power REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 00:58:50 No.28905508 Report

Quoted By: >>28905938 >>28906042 >>28906200

Minimize.
I'm "fine" with Double Team since it only increases evasion by one stage, but turning 100% accuracy moves into 50% within a single turn is retarded and only turbo faggots do it, maybe they should nerf evasion boosts overall and make it so being at +6 turn 100% into 50% instead of +2

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 00:59:24 No.28905515 Report

Quoted By: >>28910275

>>28905276
No, after you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:02:07 No.28905561 Report

Quoted By: >>28905583 >>28912627

>>28905457
What's wrong with Hidden Power besides getting the type you want be a pain in the ass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:02:21 No.28905566 Report

Quoted By: >>28906489 >>28908460

>>28905025
constrict, spike cannon, camouflage, sharpen, triple AND rolling kick, snore, grasswhistle, flame burst, the pledge moves, and water shuriken

most of the shitty signature moves basically

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:02:32 No.28905573 Report

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>>28905025
>not using after you roar on something slower than your after you user

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:03:18 No.28905583 Report

Quoted By: >>28905699 >>28905877

>>28905561
Never being able to predict it on a pokemon that carries it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:03:34 No.28905588 Report

Quoted By: >>28907115

Stealth rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:10:12 No.28905699 Report

Quoted By: >>28905790 >>28905916

>>28905583
But that's part of the advantage of HP is that if it's a type that hits multiple types for super effective damage and it hits for super effective damage you'll still leave the opponent in the unknown which one it is. Let's say trainer A has a Serperior that uses hidden power and hits for super effective damage against trainer B's Magnezone. Trainer B sends out a Heatran, but Trainer A's Serperior uses Hidden Power again and still hits for super effective damage. Also it only has 60BP, how is it that bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:16:36 No.28905790 Report

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>>28905699
I think you just summed it up for me. that's why i hate HP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:16:49 No.28905797 Report

Quoted By: >>28905936 >>28906009

>>28905025
It works in doubles pretty well:
>You have a fast pokemon that knows After You (Like, say, Lopunny)
>You also have a Slow, but Very Strong pokemon with a move that will absolutely wreck the enemy team / setup sweeper (like mega heracross, as an example)
>Your opponent have two pokemon who are faster than your Wrecker, but Slower than your Lopunny, and when they get their turn, they will wreck your team before your wrecker can go.
>Lopunny goes first.
>Uses "After You" on partner.
>Suddenly, Wrecker goes first.
>Wrecker shuts down enemy team
>Enemy ragequits.

gg.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:21:12 No.28905877 Report

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>>28905583
~10-15 pokemon are actually complete dogshit without HP and would fall out of the meta due to lack of coverage.

It's not like there are a lot of types to deal with. 90% of HP users use HP grass, ice, fire or rarely ground/electric. Most pokemon that run it only run one type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:23:30 No.28905916 Report

Quoted By: >>28906009

>>28905699
>It was SE against my Steel-type, better switch to another Steel-type
Trainer B confirmed retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:24:42 No.28905936 Report

Quoted By: >>28906009

>>28905797
I think the problem is that most Pokémon that learn After You are slow as dirt.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:24:57 No.28905938 Report

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>>28905508
I'll always have a special place in my heart for minimize because of the sprite your pokemon turns into in the older games. And it stays that way!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:28:58 No.28906009 Report

Quoted By: >>28913215

>>28905916
Could be a Fire Hidden Power though, while Magnezone was low on HP.

>>28905797
>>28905936
Why not just give After You priority then? Sure it makes certain things like a +2 Excadrill with Earthquake pretty scary if the After You user is immune to ground, but doubles and triples have multiple targeting attacks deal less damage if it's hitting multiple pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:29:50 No.28906024 Report

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>>28905457
this

Hidden Power with just the right typing to counter shit that should counter you is just too damn useful.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:30:38 No.28906042 Report

Quoted By: >>28907501

>>28905508
>Battle a guy who has minimize in battle spot
>Use stomp
>Opponent disconnects

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:32:00 No.28906062 Report

Quoted By: >>28911739

Scald
stealth rock

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:35:27 No.28906106 Report

Quoted By: >>28907115 >>28911739

Stealth Rock made a variety of Pokémon unviable just because they were weak to Rock. I'm sick of people defending it just because it takes out the odd Talonflame too.
>but muh defog/rapid spin
If I have to set aside an entire slot on my team to deal with one move, then it's too centralizing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:39:16 No.28906170 Report

Quoted By: >>28909318

>>28905421
#AllMovesMatter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:41:12 No.28906200 Report

Quoted By: >>28906370

>>28905508
There's a bunch of moves that specifically counter minimize. If it's that much of a problem, carry one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:50:12 No.28906370 Report

Quoted By: >>28906426 >>28906495 >>28906575

>>28906200
Too bad out of those 6 moves Drifblim is inmune to 3 and resist one and from the other 2 one has a 75% accuracy when used against something that hasn't used minimize and the other takes one turn to hit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:53:12 No.28906426 Report

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>>28906370
lmao nigga just always run Foresight-Swift on all your teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:54:31 No.28906449 Report

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Razor Wind

Replaying Yellow earlier this year I came across so many moves I wasn't familiar with and they were all pointless.

Mega Kick and Punch are also useless and stupid.

>Signiture move of the Chans
>Normal type

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:56:05 No.28906489 Report

Quoted By: >>28906653

>>28905566

Why is water shuriken so shit? I feel obliged to have it on Greninja in game and the game really wants you to use it since he learns it twice by level up.

But it's just a water fury attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:56:20 No.28906495 Report

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>>28906370
Whoops, forgot heatcrash and shadow force.
Not that they matter much since only the emboar line can lear heat crash and only giratina and arceus can learn shadow force.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:58:57 No.28906555 Report

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Quash should not exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 01:59:50 No.28906575 Report

Quoted By: >>28906636

>>28906370
Evasion is dumb as fuck but you're also at fault for not running things that can get around that. Hell the moves don't even need to be damaging just use clear smog/haze/whirlwind/roar/unaware.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:02:55 No.28906636 Report

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>>28906575
Clear smog is a damaging move and I do run it, but that post was about the moves that specifically counter minimize and how most are useless against one of the most common (if not the most common) minimize user.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:03:44 No.28906653 Report

Quoted By:

>>28906489
+priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:15:42 No.28906884 Report

Quoted By:

>>28905025
supersonic
>only effect is confuse
>has 55 accuracy
confuse ray is straight up better and has greater distribution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:20:21 No.28906968 Report

Quoted By: >>28907115 >>28911739

>>28905025
How has Stealth Rock not been mentioned yet?
Seriously, either get rid of the thing or introduce variants for other types like Fire, Grass, or Ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:21:34 No.28906996 Report

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More like
After (You)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:24:34 No.28907050 Report

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Twister

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:27:47 No.28907115 Report

Quoted By:

>>28906968
can you read? like I know this board is filled with retards but seriously
>>28906106
>>28905588

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:29:32 No.28907153 Report

Quoted By:

how the fuck have you niggas not mentioned stealth rocks yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:30:12 No.28907163 Report

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fuck stealth rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:37:18 No.28907301 Report

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Where the rocks at? I can't see them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:43:56 No.28907443 Report

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Nobody's said it this thread yet, so Stealth Rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:44:19 No.28907449 Report

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Why has nobody mentioned sneaky pebbles yet c'mon guys

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:46:17 No.28907501 Report

Quoted By: >>28908882

>>28906042
>Use stomp
you probably wanted to sound like you're better than him but trust me, you're really not

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:48:08 No.28907543 Report

Quoted By: >>28907636

>"Hey John, what should Land's Wrath do? It sounds like it should be powerful, maybe it should have 120BP and-"

>"No."

>"Maybe it can be 100 with a 30% chance of-"

>"No. 90BP. No secondary effects. It has to be worse than Earthquake so people will only use it for the cool animation."

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:49:51 No.28907580 Report

Quoted By: >>28907633 >>28907636 >>28908120

Water Sport and Mud Sport

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:52:40 No.28907633 Report

Quoted By: >>28907900

>>28907580
>Water Sport
>almost every pokemon that learns it resists fire

What's the fucking point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:52:42 No.28907636 Report

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>>28907543
It could be good in doubles/triples since it doesn't hurt your allies. But if you're good at doubles/triples, you can plan around that.
>>28907580
Does anyone use these except for NPCs? Even casual players think these moves are garbage.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:56:08 No.28907715 Report

Quoted By: >>28907743 >>28907762

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:57:44 No.28907743 Report

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>>28907715
The move itself isn't a problem (it's just a False Swipe clone), but making it event-exclusive defeats the purpose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 02:58:25 No.28907762 Report

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>>28907715
Why the fuck did they leave it normal type? I was hoping for dark or something when they introduced it so it'd be useful for catching ghost, rock, and steel types

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:04:04 No.28907900 Report

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>>28907633
i think it was meant for support in doubles but it's meh anyway

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:06:10 No.28907935 Report

Quoted By: >>28907996

Knock Off

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:08:15 No.28907996 Report

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>>28907935
>One of the best competitive moves shouldn't exist

Okay, I bit. What now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:12:53 No.28908120 Report

Quoted By: >>28908263

>>28907580
list of pokémon who learn mud sport by level up who are not already immune to electric:

zigzagoon, krabby, mudkip (evolves into ground-type), shellos (evolves into ground type), relicanth

so, three mon can use effectively

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:15:58 No.28908189 Report

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Captivate

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:19:26 No.28908263 Report

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>>28908120
Is it one of those things meant solely for doubles? Wouldn't Lightning Rod make it redundant?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:21:52 No.28908326 Report

Quoted By: >>28908385 >>28912964

Natural Gift tries to be like a physical Hidden Power but its way worse.

It should have been that the pokemon needed to hold one of those type boosting items,

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:24:40 No.28908385 Report

Quoted By: >>28908434 >>28908443

>>28908326
If it got the same distribution as hidden power I think it would get just as much use. 100 BP unexpected coverage can be worth using an item slot for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:27:11 No.28908434 Report

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>>28908385
It's not just an item slot, it's an item and a move slot considering you only get to use it once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:27:28 No.28908443 Report

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>>28908385

>All Pokémon who can learn TMs can learn Natural Gift.

it's just a shitty move because it most situations it's a one time item that you have to waste an item slot on. If it was 70 BP but used the type boosting items like magnet, sharp beak, black belt, etc it'd actually be usable

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:27:54 No.28908460 Report

Quoted By: >>28908563

>>28905566
> grasswhistle
mcfucking fight me, nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:29:18 No.28908487 Report

Quoted By: >>28908547 >>28908914 >>28913874

>>28905025
Synchronoise. Most useless move. At least Splash has a thematic reason to be useless.

Also Acupressure and Copycat are up there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:31:15 No.28908527 Report

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>>28905025
Confide.

The TM that you forgot exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:32:37 No.28908547 Report

Quoted By: >>28908825

>>28908487

>Accupressure

Oh boy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:33:36 No.28908563 Report

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>>28908460
best sound effect worst duplicate

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:47:36 No.28908825 Report

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>>28908547
CitizenSnips.jpg

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:51:03 No.28908882 Report

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>>28907501
I'm serving up the freshest meme teams on this side of the pokeearth. If you can't handle a little stomp then get out of my kitchen.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:52:35 No.28908914 Report

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>>28908487
> hating Accupressure

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 03:58:41 No.28909053 Report

Quoted By: >>28909304 >>28911827

>>28905025
All HMs
Make the player just an item instead.
Stop requiring wasting a slot to have a slave on the team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 04:04:20 No.28909169 Report

Quoted By: >>28909264 >>28909301

>>28905446
What the fuck is a Synchronoise? First time I'm hearing of this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 04:09:04 No.28909264 Report

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>>28909169
Hits all Pokémon with the same type as the attacker. Useless on Umbreon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 04:11:13 No.28909301 Report

Quoted By: >>28909328

>>28909169
It's a psychic type move with 120 BP and 100% acc that deals damage ONLY to opponents who share the same type as the user.

It has very little distribution and can only be learned by select psychic types, normal types, all eeveelutions thanks to it being an egg move, and psyduck/golduck.

...you can imagine why the move sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 04:11:17 No.28909304 Report

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>>28909053
Wait, but Surf is actually usable. (I also use Whirlpool als trapping move on Eviolite Wartortle w/ Toxic very seldom)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 04:11:52 No.28909318 Report

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>>28906170
That's racist #DarkTypeMovesMatter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 04:12:35 No.28909328 Report

Quoted By:

>>28909301
I forgot to mention that it's special...assuming that detail matters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 05:25:17 No.28910275 Report

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>>28905515
Please, I insist.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 08:02:00 No.28911739 Report

Quoted By: >>28912420 >>28912438

>>28906968
>>28906106
>>28906062

Which pokemon happened to become PU trash instead of OU just because of le sneaky pebbles? Protip: [Your Bro] would most likely stay trash, probably even more so without Stealth Rocks to keep stronger Pokemon in check.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 08:15:58 No.28911827 Report

Quoted By: >>28911860 >>28912100

>>28909053
But surf, strength and waterfall are all good moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 08:20:31 No.28911860 Report

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>>28911827
Strength is kinda useless, as pretty much every pokemon gets return, which is usually stronger. But it's not completeley useless in-game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 08:54:47 No.28912069 Report

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>>28905320
It makes Surf as useless as Cut, Rock Smash and Flash now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 08:57:54 No.28912100 Report

Quoted By:

>>28911827
>surf
Not when Scald exists and the nerf makes it "Urf! Barf!" now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 09:09:31 No.28912211 Report

Quoted By: >>28912222 >>28912380

>>28905025
Stealth Rocks.
Literally cancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 09:10:20 No.28912222 Report

Quoted By:

>>28912211
they tried to ban stealth rocks once

everything was dragonites and focus sashers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 09:34:45 No.28912380 Report

Quoted By:

>>28912211
Stealth Rock is the only thing that keeps Stall in check.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 09:41:34 No.28912420 Report

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>>28911739
There are specifically two pokemon that aren't a higher tier because of rocks. Moltres which would be solid UU and Volcarona which should be tearing OU a new one.
It's just that Volcarona is brobait and it generates ass pain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 09:43:45 No.28912438 Report

Quoted By:

>>28911739
articuno, regice in gen iv

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 10:10:29 No.28912627 Report

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>>28905561

I dont have a problem with it but its about time its changed

- stop being depended on IV's ( becomes tutor move on a special place whatever bullshit they could come to make this change)
- with this hidden power fairy becomes possible
-Physical version of hidden power ( change secret power to become a physical version of hidden power )
- back to 70 power

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 10:12:18 No.28912645 Report

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fuck off Smogpean Union

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 10:55:50 No.28912964 Report

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>>28908326
natural gift is actually baller on things with unburden or acrobatics, its way better than proccing power herb or something

also if it didnt consume the berry itd be great since it has near-perfect synergy with the type resist berries, the type you want to resist is almost always good coverage ie occa scizor/metagross, chople ttar, yachechomp, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 11:28:05 No.28913215 Report

Quoted By: >>28914371

>>28906009
>HP Fire
>SE on Fire/Steel pokemon

PICK ONE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 12:24:31 No.28913874 Report

Quoted By:

>>28908487
>They don't know about Acupressure

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Oct 2016 12:56:48 No.28914371 Report

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>>28913215
>what is Hp Ground

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