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Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 08:23:20 No.29017014 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29017662 >>29017669 >>29020175 >>29021471 >>29021597 >>29022155 >>29022293 >>29022495

How do you think Z-moves will affect the meta?
Honestly I don't see them as reliable and amazing to give up a hold item. Maybe for pokemon like Archeops to use Acrobatics or like Hawlucha to get an Umburden boost.
All in all I don't see them affecting the meta all that much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 09:27:59 No.29017492 Report

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Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 09:50:50 No.29017662 Report

Quoted By: >>29019374 >>29022680

>>29017014
Banned.
Probably.
Theres going to be a Z move thats like Mega Kangaskhan bullshit. So i assume preemptive ban on Z moves.
Because any Z move worth giving up a hold item for is going to be seen as overpowered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 09:51:46 No.29017669 Report

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>>29017014
Worse than megas if they really can be used by any mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 09:52:10 No.29017674 Report

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They'll probably be better Gems. I don't really like Z-move so far, from what we've seen. They feel really gimmicky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 13:23:02 No.29019201 Report

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Really depends.
If they're one-time use nukes, maybe not so much, since a different held item would be better overall.

If there's a few that have more interesting effects (like the Eevee one, but not as exclusive), there could be a few that are really useful.

Overall we just don't know what they even do, besides look flash and do a lot of damage, so we'll have to wait and see.

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TopKec !UNSTjHdDlA Sun 09 Oct 2016 13:27:32 No.29019246 Report

Quoted By: >>29022112

Most might be garbage, but having a nuke could still be useful for some mons. It pushes mindgames, though, which is generally seen as uncompetitive.

Someone in another thread suggested Parasect getting a Z-move that is pretty much just priority Spore. I could see that being used, and the Eevee evolution whatever-it's-called, because of the insane buffs it gets.

I don't think they'll be as good as Megas, for example, but I feel like they might be more centralizing than them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 13:44:54 No.29019374 Report

Quoted By: >>29019737 >>29022573

>>29017662
I am curious what Smogon are going to do. I think it's more likely that they'll ban all megas and allow Z-Moves (then consider them on a case-by-case basis, like they have with megas).
The VGC and WiFi ruleset ban megas but allow Z Moves, so I imagine Smogon will do the same until they can hold a vote to decide which way to do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 13:49:29 No.29019418 Report

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there are two scenarios:

1. most of them are shit, a few are OP, they are permitted in the meta

2. they are all OP and not permitted in the meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 14:19:15 No.29019737 Report

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>>29019374
Why would Smogon ban all megas? They have never once followed VGC rules.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 14:50:58 No.29020055 Report

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Z ring isn't going to fit on my wrists...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 15:00:26 No.29020172 Report

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Testing each Z move on each mon will take a while. Most Z moves probably won't be that great anyway and the few that are good will either be exclusive to 1 Pokemon or be situational at best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 15:00:41 No.29020175 Report

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>>29017014
I don't think the Crystal goes away after use OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 15:35:00 No.29020697 Report

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>>29020175
>unburden

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 16:29:11 No.29021471 Report

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>>29017014
it's only a 1 time use attack, its shit, even when it isn't affected by types resistance/super effectiveness/immunity

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 16:37:30 No.29021597 Report

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>>29017014
evoboost baton pass will be the metagame op

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Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 16:38:48 No.29021619 Report

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>>29021471
>its shit

It's pretty much the ultimate coverage move though. Imagine teaching a Dragon pokemon a poison or steel z-move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:08:34 No.29022084 Report

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>>29021619
the pokemon need to already have an ACTIVE move with the same type as the Z move, so garchomp would need to carry poison jab-iron head to use the steel/poison z move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:10:39 No.29022112 Report

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>>29019246
>mindgames seen as uncompetitive
only in pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:10:47 No.29022115 Report

Quoted By: >>29022742

It's practically the same thing as elemental gems except you can't abuse Unburden with it.

I have a feeling only the Pokemon specific ones are going to be worth using.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:14:04 No.29022155 Report

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>>29017014
Z crystals are Gen 5 gems but better, so... yes, will affect meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:26:34 No.29022293 Report

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>>29017014
does the pokemon have to hold a gem as well? i thought the gem was on the trainer's side this time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:39:48 No.29022495 Report

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>>29017014
Have they said what this does exactly when you connect it to a game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:44:34 No.29022573 Report

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>>29019374
>The VGC and WiFi ruleset ban megas
Only the VGC and the VGC ladder on Battle Spot does. Standard Battle Spot will allow Mega Evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:52:03 No.29022680 Report

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>>29017662
How can a Z move be like Mega Kang? I don't see how a mechanic that is only usable once a battle between your entire team could be like a character with almost no flaws. The only thing I can think of is a damage dealing move that gives a super OP ability and stat buffs. But I honestly don't see that happening.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:53:05 No.29022696 Report

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>>29022495
it vibrates and lights up when you use a z-move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:53:33 No.29022703 Report

Quoted By: >>29022752

>>29022680
Do we know if it's only once for the entire battle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:55:46 No.29022742 Report

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>>29022115
Another problem is that you probably can't use Acrobatics with it, which is what most people used with Gems. It'll probably be better in Doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Oct 2016 17:56:18 No.29022752 Report

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>>29022703
Yes.

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