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Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:22:46 No.29086525 View View Reply Original Report

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>you can rub off your pokemon status condition in pokemon refresh
>rotom dex shows you red flags in places you should go to
>effectiveness of the attacks is now visible

come up with another thing that will make this game even easier

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:24:16 No.29086555 Report

Quoted By: >>29086568 >>29086601 >>29086680 >>29088316

>>you can rub off your pokemon status condition in pokemon refresh
>implying pokemon centers arent free anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:24:46 No.29086568 Report

Quoted By: >>29086601 >>29086632 >>29086638 >>29088232

>>29086555
nigga if you never had your pokemon faint BEFORE you got to a pokemon center you should just get out

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:25:14 No.29086575 Report

Quoted By: >>29086615

>>29086525
>>effectiveness of the attacks is now visible
you should already know what's effective you fucking casual

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:25:47 No.29086585 Report

Quoted By: >>29086728

>>29086525
Stop with this meme please. These things have no impact on the actual difficulty of the game.
Let's talk about underleveled opponents and boss battles without a full team instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:26:37 No.29086601 Report

Quoted By: >>29086887

>>29086568
They got rid of that in Gen 6 already

>>29086555
The trips of truth hold true

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Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:27:10 No.29086612 Report

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>>29086525
>effectiveness of the attacks is now visible
I actually adore this one, don't have to tell my daughter which moves to use
The pokemon refresh one is no worse than amie boosts

Exp. all is coming back

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:27:14 No.29086615 Report

Quoted By: >>29086845

>>29086575
As if I have to guess about those new shitmons you know shit about that you are only seeing for the second time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:27:57 No.29086632 Report

Quoted By: >>29086730

>>29086568
But Anon, in Gen IV, Poison was changed so that once your Pokemon hit one HP outside of battle, it is automatically cured.

Then in Gen V, it was made so that Poison wouldn't damage your Pokemon outside of battle.

So nobody after Gen IV has had to deal with their Pokemon fainting before they got to a Pokemon center.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:28:13 No.29086638 Report

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>>29086568
You know that stopped being a thing since gen 5 right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:28:48 No.29086649 Report

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>>29086525
>waiting time rubbing when you are 2 clicks away from a potion
it makes it harder not easier.
>using SE moves in pve, when you can one hit kill everything with a neutral surf from a pokewhore
the whole "it's easier" argument really comes from shit tier noobs who probably needed savestates to finishe pokemon yellow

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:29:12 No.29086658 Report

Quoted By: >>29087005

Friendly reminder that Pokémon Refresh is COMPLETELY optional and you will NOT be forced to use it!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:29:57 No.29086680 Report

Quoted By: >>29086719

>>29086555
Pokemon Centers require walking back and in previous gens getting your Pokemon fucked even out of battle if it had poison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:31:24 No.29086719 Report

Quoted By: >>29086797

>>29086680
They removed poison damage years ago, and this is no different to using a full heal. It's neither easier nor harder, because you can't use it mid-battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:31:52 No.29086728 Report

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>>29086585
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:31:58 No.29086730 Report

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>>29086632
I think he means them fainting in battle because status effects?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:34:16 No.29086786 Report

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>>29086525
>You can rub off your pokemon
I wish

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Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:34:24 No.29086789 Report

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>>29086525

It make the game more fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:34:44 No.29086797 Report

Quoted By: >>29086933 >>29087265 >>29087943

>>29086719
>They removed poison damage years ago,
That's what I said. In previous gens.

>this is no different to using a full heal
You mean the thing that requires buying or finding yourself? Yeah great comparison

>neither easier nor harder, because you can't use it mid-battle
Except it will do that too if this is like Amie, on top of randomly dodging hits and surviving attacks.

Stop pretending these games aren't getting easier when they clearly are.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:36:47 No.29086845 Report

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>>29086615
>As if I have to guess about those new shitmons you know shit about that you are only seeing for the second time.
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:36:49 No.29086848 Report

Quoted By: >>29086907

>people in this thread actually think nintendo will make sun/moon even a fraction harder than x/y

don't kid yourselves. nintendo have given up on meaningful single player gameplay and storytelling entirely

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:38:34 No.29086887 Report

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>>29086601
>They got rid of that in Gen 6 already
A Pokémon would be healed of poison at 1HP in DPP, and overworld poison damage was completely fucking removed in BW. But please, keep up the "Gen VI ruined Pokémon" meme, faggot.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:38:48 No.29086896 Report

Quoted By: >>29086957

This kind of sucks in terms of difficulty, but I play pokemon for battling after completing the game. This "pokemon is too easy" thing is getting old. Of course it's easy, retards. It's targeted towards 10 year old boys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:39:30 No.29086907 Report

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>>29086848
>nintendo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:40:43 No.29086933 Report

Quoted By: >>29086962 >>29087844

>>29086797
Sure OP. I'm not saying they're getting easier, but you're talking about artificial difficulty. There's nothing difficult in going to a PKMN Center, and you talk like you had to use more than 5 full heals in the entire game on past gens. These don't impact the actual difficulty of the game, at all. There are a lot of real things you could complain about, like the game not being balanced around the Exp. Share, but that point is moot too because the game isn't out yet and we know nothing about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:41:41 No.29086957 Report

Quoted By: >>29086996

>>29086896
What if they keep the info about the effectiveness in the postgame and in the battling?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:41:45 No.29086962 Report

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>>29086933
*they aren't getting easier

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:42:49 No.29086981 Report

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>>29086525
I actually think it's a good idea. I liked stocking up for my adventure, making sure I had enough healing items Pokeballs, but healing your Pokemon on the field is really cool.

The best of both words would be that using Pokémon Refresh used up some sort of items that you have to buy in some shop that specializes in that kind of stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:43:14 No.29086996 Report

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>>29086957
Then it still doesn't fucking matter unless you're at the bottom of the ladder

if anything, this makes PvP harder since you won't see kids who think Gliscor is a Poison type using Earthquake on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:43:49 No.29087005 Report

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>>29086658
Friendly reminder that people who use caps and "!" unironically are not to be taken seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:44:00 No.29087011 Report

Quoted By: >>29087038 >>29087060 >>29087083

all pokemon refresh does is remove the tedium of having to go back to the pokemon centre and return

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:45:10 No.29087038 Report

Quoted By: >>29087125

>>29087011
You don't understand, anon. It's casualization! the game's ruined forever!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:45:45 No.29087053 Report

Quoted By: >>29087153

I like that you can remove status in Refresh. It gives you more of an incentive to use a feature revolving around interacting with your Pokémon and you no longer need to stock up on a bunch of seperate healing items before you get Full Restores. You still need to stock up on Potions, so it doesn't remove the need to prepare entirely.

I like it!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:46:02 No.29087060 Report

Quoted By: >>29087075

>>29087011
>all pokemon amie does is making sure that sometimes your pokemon will get an extra hit/evasion
>all exp share does is remove the tedium of grinding
>all GF does is make sure that by placing enemies and gyms with underdeveloped mons you get to the aftergame more quickly

sure jen

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:46:45 No.29087075 Report

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>>29087060
Yes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:47:04 No.29087083 Report

Quoted By: >>29087106

>>29087011
even there, its still more tedious than using an antidote or something.
Or are those items seen as difficulty hits too by people?

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Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:47:39 No.29087090 Report

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>>29086525
Better than forget full heals...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:48:11 No.29087106 Report

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>>29087083
According to /vp/, you're never ever allowed to use items or you're a casul

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:49:15 No.29087125 Report

Quoted By: >>29087237

>>29087038
Having to go back to a Pokecenter potentially means running into a lot of wild pokemon, or just not being able to use one of your mons going forward.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:50:18 No.29087152 Report

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>>29086525
>Gen I introduced items that could instantly heal status conditions
>for only 250 or less
>can use them literally anywhere
PRE-ORDER CANCELED

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:50:19 No.29087153 Report

Quoted By: >>29087971

>>29087053
Why the fuck do we need incentives? Just have the option of interaction there, people will use it if they want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:54:19 No.29087237 Report

Quoted By: >>29087274 >>29087706

>>29087125
>potentially means running into a lot of wild pokemon
It's a good thing that you can't run from wild pokemon.
That would be casualization at its finest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:55:18 No.29087265 Report

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>>29086797
>You mean the thing that requires buying or finding yourself?
because money has always been sooooo hard to get in pokemon games

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:55:40 No.29087274 Report

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>>29087237
You can still go back to Pokemon center yourself, if you want.

If you're searching for pokemon you can stay on your route now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 00:59:21 No.29087349 Report

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>>29086525
>that dildonic bong
finally I can live the dream

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:16:52 No.29087706 Report

Quoted By: >>29088610

>>29087237
>implying there are times you can't get away

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:21:39 No.29087811 Report

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>>29086525
Boofuckinghoo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:22:52 No.29087844 Report

Quoted By: >>29088154

>>29086933
>artificial difficulty

This doesn't mean what you think it means

Walking back to a center and risking getting fucked by wild pokemon/trainers/status isn't artificial.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:24:10 No.29087881 Report

Quoted By: >>29088048

>>29086525
Effectiveness of the attacks are shown if you've already beaten that pokemon in battle

How is this different from other RPGs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:27:01 No.29087943 Report

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>>29086797
>You mean the thing that requires buying or finding yourself? Yeah great comparison
Usually the first few areas of the game are full of Antidotes laying around, then they spend the whole game sitting in your bag doing nothing. I'd love it if they finally just got rid of the shitty condition-specific healing items.

I mean, they might as well just replace them with the berries that have the same effect. Same shit, except you're slightly more likely to actually use the thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:28:01 No.29087971 Report

Quoted By: >>29088540

>>29087153
That's how game design works. You want players to have a certain experience - for instance, caring for their Pokemon to complete their journey - and so you incentivize playing that way. It's no different from an exploration-focused game placing treasure in hard-to-reach places or giving XP for uncovering the map. Systems should come together elegantly, not just be tacked-on extras that have no interaction with the main part of the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:29:28 No.29088000 Report

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>>29086612
>EXP All is coming back
EXP All was Gen 6 Exp Share.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:30:37 No.29088027 Report

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>>29086525
>Implying anyone had any issue with status conditions outside of battles thanks to berries/medicine, let alone Pokecenters
This has virtually zero gameplay impact.
>Implying a marker showing where to go next to advance the story matters at all
NPCs have always told you one way or another where to go next. The only way this would effect you is if you have shit memory, and even then, it'd be a good thing.
>Effectiveness of the attacks is now visible
Again, if you're not literally a child/complete newcomer to the series, these have zero effect on the gameplay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:31:44 No.29088048 Report

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>>29087881
Seriously. SMT gives you this. If SMT gives you something it isn't babymode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:34:53 No.29088124 Report

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>>29086525
its not like I had a shit ton of berries before

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:36:17 No.29088151 Report

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>>29086525
Why do I get the feeling that even if they added a "hard mode" that removed these things, you faggots would still bitch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:36:22 No.29088154 Report

Quoted By: >>29088371

>>29087844
Get fucked by what, you've likely already cleared everything up to the point where you need to walk back.
>wild Pokémon
>implying that's not just a time waster rather than anything difficult

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:39:41 No.29088232 Report

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>>29086568
Dude, have you played gen 5? That stopped happening there

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:43:03 No.29088316 Report

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>>29086555
At least you don't have to use your full heals or whatever the fuck you use to remove the status of your pokes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:45:18 No.29088371 Report

Quoted By: >>29088416

>>29088154
Wild pokemon you cant run from
Trainers you missed
Trainers you DIDNT miss if there's a point of no return like the exit of Mt. Moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:47:05 No.29088416 Report

Quoted By: >>29088633

>>29088371
Nigga if you missed the trainers the first time going back the way you came means you'd miss them again.
>Pokémon you can't run from
Like fucking what, the only time his happens is when you encounter Electrode or if you're an idiot using some low level Pokémon while walking through grass. These are inconveniences, not difficulty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:53:14 No.29088540 Report

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>>29087971
They could have done t better than spending time with your friends = them being magically cured. Perhaps different battle animations where they look back to you, or moments where one of your Pokemon will be randomly happy, or having your Pokemon beside you being happy...Things that don't affect difficulty but are still things you can "earn" and are cute, and relate to actually bonding with your mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:53:37 No.29088548 Report

Quoted By: >>29088617

>>29086525
Remove hack check completely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:56:23 No.29088610 Report

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>>29087706
>using slow pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:56:40 No.29088617 Report

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>>29088548
At this point, outside moves and abilities, there's no need for hack checking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:57:02 No.29088625 Report

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>>29086525
>you can rub off your pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:57:20 No.29088633 Report

Quoted By: >>29088656

>>29088416
>Nigga if you missed the trainers the first time going back the way you came means you'd miss them again.
Not necessarily. You can unintentionally take a different path or pass by some trainer moving around you were able to sneak past the first time.

>Like fucking what, the only time his happens is when you encounter Electrode or if you're an idiot using some low level Pokémon while walking through grass. These are inconveniences, not difficulty.
Or if you just be happen to be using a slow pokemon and/or your remaining pokemon is underleveled. Too bad the game doesn't let you have underleveled pokemon anymore because of the exp share.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Oct 2016 01:58:26 No.29088656 Report

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>>29088633
Even when I used slow Pokémon in older games I never had that issue. That's not difficulty, that's tedium. There is nothing difficult about running from Pokémon or using a fucking repel.

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