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ITT we balance the meta

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:31:43 No.29159801 View View Reply Original Report

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>Arcane type
>super-effective on Fairy, Ghost, Psychic
>resists Psychic, Ghost, Dragon, Dark
>immune to Fairy
>resisted by Grass, Poison, Steel, Fighting
>weak to Grass, Poison

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:32:59 No.29159827 Report

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>>29159801
u gotta be kidding me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:33:03 No.29159828 Report

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>>29159801
Care to explain your reasonings for the typing advantages/disadvantages?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:36:51 No.29159898 Report

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>>29159801
Great faggot you just made fairy 2.0

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:37:52 No.29159917 Report

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>>29159828
Some of it purely for balancing purposes, some for flavor purposes.
Fairy needs a check so Arcane has immunity and SE against. The flavor reason is that the arcane arts are sort of morally in opposition to pure goodness.
Weak to grass because it represents nature's opposition to the unnatural and because Grass needs fucking help.
SE on Ghost and Psychic because it's "real magic" whereas ghosts and psychics are BS(in our world).
The rest is just for balance and has no thoughtful flavor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:38:46 No.29159937 Report

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>Nerfing Psychic even more
Gamefreak would hire you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:38:58 No.29159938 Report

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>>29159801
So you have nerfed Braixen for no good reason, and unloaded a can of nerf on Psychics for no good reason. What's more, there are no pokemon to convert to the type, and suddenly a bunch of new pokemon have to come out wearing their robes and wizard hats. Lastly, you miss the opportunity to help Bug or Ice in their respective places of suffering while sneaking in a grass agenda that you hoped nobody would notice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:39:27 No.29159948 Report

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>>29159917
>Japanese fairy mythology
>pure goodness
Pick one.

Western and Japanese fairy folklore are completely different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:40:06 No.29159963 Report

Quoted By: >>29159990 >>29160030

>Steel gets more resists
>Psychic gets more weaknesses
>Ghost gets more weaknesses
Try again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:40:08 No.29159965 Report

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>>29159938
>Braixen
>there are no pokemon to convert to the type
Uhhh...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:41:10 No.29159990 Report

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>>29159963
Show me a Fairy pokemon that is in line with the diabolical/chaotic archetype.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:41:30 No.29159999 Report

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>>29159917
>nerfing Psychic again is "balancing"
>>29159938
Ice is only suffering because GameFreak is a bunch of idiots who don't understand how to properly distribute moves and stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:42:24 No.29160013 Report

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>>29159990
was meant for >>29159948

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:42:52 No.29160027 Report

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>>29159990
Did you mean to reply to another anon?
Also Klefki.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:42:54 No.29160030 Report

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>>29159963
Ghost is weak only to two types though (one being itself) while resisting 2 and being immune to 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:44:57 No.29160079 Report

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>>29159801
To really balance the meta, it's not even necessary to make a new type.

Just make a few adjusts to the current formula, like Poison being SE against Water and Ice resisting Water. It's also necessary to remove a few resistances to Bug attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:45:22 No.29160091 Report

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>>29159801
my possible suggestion?
>Remove Psychic type super effectiveness and resistance against psychic
Or
>Make Psychic Type super effective against Arcane

The idea being that they're evenly matched forces of the supernatural, so either every time they conflict it becomes a quick-draw battle of thought, or they're evenly matched to where neither has advantage over the other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:45:55 No.29160100 Report

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>>29159938
>Lastly, you miss the opportunity to help Bug or Ice in their respective places of suffering while sneaking in a grass agenda that you hoped nobody would notice.
From a strictly logical standpoint is there any potential type that would make sense to balance out ALL of these issues? Because Bug and Ice are pretty fucking separate( and are both pretty far from Fairy type) and both just have too many weaknesses and not enough good pokemon. Even if something came along that was immune to Fairy and only weak to Bug and Ice it still wouldn't put Bug and Ice on equal competitive ground as types that are already viable.
And the type would make no sense, lore-wise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:46:00 No.29160101 Report

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>>29159990
Whimsicott is definitely one of those prank pulling fairies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:46:47 No.29160116 Report

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>>29159990
Whimsicott
Mawile
Klefki

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:47:20 No.29160127 Report

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>>29160091
>Make Psychic Type super effective against Arcane
>The idea being that they're evenly matched forces of the supernatural
I like this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:48:30 No.29160153 Report

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>>29159965
Other than the two depicted, you smarmy cunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:49:29 No.29160173 Report

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>>29160153
>i can't form coherent thoughts so your a asshole

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:51:09 No.29160200 Report

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>>29159801
Before posting stuff like this, you should ask yourself: "Does this make me seem like an edgy, autistic, misguided fuck?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:51:20 No.29160202 Report

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>>29160173
>I greentext instead of addressing his point

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:54:06 No.29160271 Report

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>>29159801
Just rebalance the existing types, fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:57:16 No.29160351 Report

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>>29159938
>So you have nerfed Braixen for no good reason
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:57:29 No.29160361 Report

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OK, how's this?
>Arcane type
>super-effective on Fairy, Ghost, Psychic
>resists Ghost, Dragon, Dark
>immune to Fairy
>resisted by Grass, Poison, Fighting, Ice, Bug
>weak to Grass, Bug, Psychic

Pokemon that become Arcane
>Delphox(Fire/Arcane)
>Mismagius(Ghost/Arcane)
>Hypno(Psychic/Arcane)
>Bronzong(Steel/Arcane)
>Sigilyph(Arcane/Flying)
>Hoopa(Arcane/Ghost & Arcane/Dark)
>Dusknoir(Ghost/Arcane)
>Honchkrow(Dark/Arcane)
>Zoroark(Dark/Arcane)
>Togekiss(Fairy/Arcane)

>>29160200
>i don't know what edgy means
I thought summer was over?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 22:59:57 No.29160415 Report

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>>29160361
Ew lol, not good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:01:03 No.29160439 Report

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>>29160415
How would you make it less not good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:02:02 No.29160463 Report

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>>29159948
Western fairies aren't very kind either

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:18:24 No.29160809 Report

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>>29159801
You'd think arcane type would be super effective against normal aka MUGGLES

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Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:20:53 No.29160862 Report

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>>29159801
You mean Witch type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:24:15 No.29160935 Report

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>>29160439
You can't. The idea may be good but there just isn't enough Witch/Alchemy like Pokemon:/ but say what Pokemon the type is for doesn't matter

>Arcane type
>super-effective on Fairy, Ghost, Psychic
>resists Ghost, Dragon, Dark, Fire
>immune to Fairy
>resisted by Grass, Poison, Steel, Fighting, Normal
>weak to Grass, Poison, Psychic, Normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:24:52 No.29160948 Report

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>>29160173
> I can't type coherently, so I'd better make sure to use a short green-text where I can't make any typos instead of actually addressing a point, since I have already proven that I am unable to pick up on basic implicit statements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:25:10 No.29160955 Report

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>>29159801
Add resisted by ice too

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Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:25:17 No.29160960 Report

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>>29159801

>Ice-type loses its weakness to either Rock or Fighting.
>Ice-type now resists Flying and Ground.

>Fairy-type no longer resists Bug-type.

>Bug-type is now Super Effective against Fairy-type.

>Grass-type now resists Fairy-type.

Thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:26:25 No.29160986 Report

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>>29160960
All solid changes, good job

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:26:51 No.29160993 Report

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>>29160809
>>29160862
Stop it.
>>29160935
You can't just go and give Normal a resist and SE. Are you new?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:27:55 No.29161012 Report

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>>29160960
These changes would probably have a hugely positive impact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:31:48 No.29161105 Report

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>>29160993
Why not, and no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:44:29 No.29161390 Report

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>>29160960
Ice being weak to fighting doesn't make a ton of sense anyway. You ever try to punch solid fuckin' ice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:47:21 No.29161446 Report

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>>29161390
Yes. And it's a lot easier to punch and break ice than it is steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:49:20 No.29161482 Report

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>>29159801
>1985+30+1
>Still no Calorie type for food and fat mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:49:33 No.29161488 Report

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>>29161446
Okay? But it certainly isn't easy. Not worthy of a weakness to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Oct 2016 23:59:50 No.29161706 Report

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>>29160960
excellent
honestly I really hope GF will remove that horrible out of place bug resist on fairies, just like they stripped the ghost and dark resist on steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 00:01:33 No.29161739 Report

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>>29161488
it's because martial artist sometimes break blocks of ice, as well as concrete (rock), dunno about steel tough

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 00:01:52 No.29161746 Report

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>>29159917
I would say add weak to bug for the same reason as grass plus the type needs a buff

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 00:40:34 No.29162541 Report

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>>29161390

It's less that, and more that most Ice-type Pokemon aren't even solid chunks of Ice to begin with. Most Rock/Steel types are either made of rock/metal or heavily armored.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 02:04:25 No.29164162 Report

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>>29160960
Why is Ice even weak to Rock to begin with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 02:20:16 No.29164437 Report

Quoted By: >>29165140

Why would Arcanine get its own type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 02:22:21 No.29164480 Report

Quoted By: >>29165160

Psychic should be SE against Arcane because the psychic can shut down the wizard's memory, preventing him from properly casting spells.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 02:30:11 No.29164668 Report

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>>29160960
Don't nerf fairy type. Fairy type is supposed to be powerful in order to nerf Dragon type after all. If anything, fairy should be buffed so that it can deal with more dragons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 02:56:20 No.29165140 Report

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>>29164437
How many kids do you have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 02:57:26 No.29165160 Report

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>>29164480
With that logic Psychic should be SE against all types.
>>29164668
Full retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:24:07 No.29167667 Report

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>>29159948
european fairies aren't kind anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:25:20 No.29167681 Report

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>>29160079
>Poison being SE against Water and Ice resisting Water.
when this meme will die

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:27:21 No.29167707 Report

Quoted By: >>29167724

Delphox fans are so delusional wow

Chesbros remain as the superior race.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:29:09 No.29167724 Report

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>>29167707
>not liking both
Stop forcing this meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:31:04 No.29167752 Report

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>>29160960
Ice weaknesses don't change
Ice now resists Normal, Water, Flying, Electric, Ground, and Fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:31:55 No.29167764 Report

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>>29160960
>>Fairy-type no longer resists Bug-type.

This is all I want. Why nerf bug when it was a bad offensive type to begin with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:32:34 No.29167770 Report

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>>29159801
I love the idea of an actual magic type instead of Psychic, but those effectiveness and resistances need some reworking.

>resisted by Grass, Poison, Steel, Fighting
This shit is all over the place. Maybe make it resisted by all the elemental types, such as grass, fire, water, ice, electric and ground?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:33:05 No.29167778 Report

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>>29167724
No. I like good pokémon, and Delshit is terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:36:15 No.29167817 Report

Quoted By: >>29168190 >>29168220 >>29168448

Actual fix here
Psychic now resists fairy
Dark is SE against fairy and vice versa
Ice now resists flying and has neutral damage towards water
Poison resists water

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:40:00 No.29167860 Report

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>>29159801
Rather then add a fucktarded type wth dumbass shit like...
>Magic caster being resisted by fighting
Why not..

>Fairy is now neutral to bug and weak to Grass
>Grass representing nature which, the fae are screwed without/ draw their power from in some popculture

>Ice is now SE vs Electric, resists Electric and Water (Absolute Zero, the absence of Energy)
>Ice could probobly do away with a weakness as well but I wouldn't be able pick one that makes sense.

If you wanted to argue it should be neutral vs Electric, get rid of the rock/steel weaknesses? I get -why- they are SE but Ice really needs help.

Also make bug god-mode pls

-t. mono bug player

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:43:30 No.29167908 Report

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>>29167860
>ice SE against electric
Makes 0 sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:43:57 No.29167914 Report

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>>29164668

That is barely a nerf for Fairies, anon, and absolutely none of those changes would impede it from doing its job against Dragons.

>>29164162

Rock cracks open Ice? I don't know, Game Freak is retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:49:48 No.29167976 Report

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>>29159948
No, they are pretty much the same. a few are kind, most are troublemaking shitheads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:50:42 No.29167987 Report

Quoted By: >>29168270

>>29164668
Fairy doesn't need a buff but it doesn't need a weakness and the oft repeated bug type weakness makes no sense. Just remove its bug resistance or make it a mutual resistance. There's 0 reason for fairies to be weak to bugs though.

Bug should resist water though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 05:53:59 No.29168022 Report

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>>29164162
salt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 06:02:37 No.29168113 Report

Quoted By: >>29168236

>nerfing psychic even more

Fuck off with your fanfiction deviantart bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 06:10:13 No.29168190 Report

Quoted By: >>29168220

>>29167817
This is the only true fix

Prove me wrong

Protip: you can't

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 06:11:55 No.29168220 Report

Quoted By: >>29168448

>>29167817
>>29168190
It almost is. But it lacks one final thing

>rock resists itself

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 06:13:42 No.29168236 Report

Quoted By: >>29168448 >>29168544

>>29168113
Actual balance idea - Psychic becomes SE against Fairy as well as resisting it. Fairy remains resisting fighting but is no longer strong against it, now resists ghost as well as compensation. Bug resist remains but is now mutual, with Fairy-type attacks being resisted by Bug as well. Bug also mutually resists poison and resists water.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 06:15:50 No.29168270 Report

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>>29167987
>There's 0 reason for fairies to be weak to bugs though.
>Bug should resist water though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 06:28:17 No.29168448 Report

Quoted By: >>29169514

>>29167817
>>29168220
>>29168236
This is how I'd balance things
>Psychic, Grass and Bug resist Fairy
>Psychic is SE against Fairy
>Psychic is neutral against Steel
>Fighting looses Fairy weakness, but Fairy still resists Fighting
>Ice resists Water and Flying
>Rock resists itself
>Poison resists Water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 06:30:05 No.29168476 Report

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>>29159917
>Some of it purely for balancing purposes

Fuck off retard.

Pitch new eeveelutions, drawings welcome

Pitch new eeveelutions, drawings welcome Sun 16 Oct 2016 06:33:08 No.29168526 Report

Quoted By: >>29168783

>>29159801

Can someone fucking explain to me why water is not only not weak to ice, but resists it? Ice is literally the product of making water molecules stop to the point where they become immobile, why the fuck is water resistant to ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 06:34:16 No.29168544 Report

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>>29168236
Girls are weak to domestic abuse, therefore fairies should be weak to fighting types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 06:52:24 No.29168783 Report

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>>29168526
mega eevee

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 07:50:21 No.29169514 Report

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>>29168448
Nope, steel must remain defensive

Psychic has only 3 resistances, one being itself, and steel must remain one

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 07:51:59 No.29169535 Report

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>>29159801
Got you senpai

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 07:54:05 No.29169557 Report

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>>29169535
Shit
Don't introduce new types

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 08:01:21 No.29169623 Report

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>>29169535
Light is a good type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 08:58:18 No.29170074 Report

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>>29159917
>Fairy needs a check so Arcane has immunity and SE against. The flavor reason is that the arcane arts are sort of morally in opposition to pure goodness.

Banshees, Nuckelavees, Red Caps, the Ankou and the Sluagh are considered among fairies in folklore.
And those fucks make up for more interesting ghost or dark types.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 09:04:12 No.29170118 Report

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>>29169535
>2x weakness to grass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 09:30:23 No.29170306 Report

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>>29159937
no, to get hired you need to nerf bug and ice too anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 09:34:39 No.29170349 Report

Quoted By: >>29170387

>>29169535
>dark-type is named evil-type in japan
>fighting-types exist
>faggots be like "HURR DURR THERE SHOULD BE A LIGHT-TYPE"

You're worse than the faggots clamouring for Mrs.Mime because you can't be bothered to google Mr.Mime's Japanese name

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2016 09:38:37 No.29170387 Report

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>>29170349
It's named Holy-type in Japan, idiot

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