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Henk Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:06:48 No.29378853 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29378939 >>29378956 >>29379134 >>29379612 >>29379759 >>29379825 >>29379862 >>29379884 >>29380018 >>29380049 >>29380064 >>29380110 >>29380265

Will we ever get our Johto Megas?

Preferably:
Water/Dragon
Fire/Ground
Grass/Fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:08:11 No.29378878 Report

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We can hope

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:11:19 No.29378939 Report

Quoted By: >>29379141 >>29379895 >>29380158

>>29378853
>Water/Dragon

Why? Water/Dark is a much better offensive typing. Getting STAB on Crunch will benefit Feraligatr much more than the couple of extra resistances dragon typing gives it. Dragon STAB is wasted on Feraligatr.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:12:05 No.29378956 Report

Quoted By: >>29379085

>>29378853
>Fire/Ground

What would the benefit be when Typhlosion has no moves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:17:12 No.29379085 Report

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>>29378956
Typhplosions physical movepool is actually decent. If the mega turned it into a physical attacker stab EQ is always welcome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:19:22 No.29379134 Report

Quoted By: >>29379400

>>29378853
Grass/Fairy
Fire/Ground
Water/Fighting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:19:39 No.29379141 Report

Quoted By: >>29379400

>>29378939
>another water/dark mega
>another water/dark starter
>another dark type alligator pokemon
>crunch would literally be the only stab, doesnt even get knock off or sucker punch
>competing with crawdaunt, gyarados, and sharpedo as a dding/sding physical water sweeper
feraligatr being a water dark type is dumb, it would be competing with way too much other pokemon to fulfilling the same niche

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:32:42 No.29379400 Report

Quoted By: >>29379511

>>29379141
STAB Crunch still does something. Dragon STAB does literally nothing.

You're forgetting that Feraligatr already competes with those other Pokemon whether it is a mega or not. A second STAB to a very useful attacking type will help it out tremendously in over taking the others.

>>29379134
Water/Fighting wouldn't be awful either. No fighting move to take advantage of Sheer Force though. But Super Power and Brick Break would enjoy the STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:38:03 No.29379511 Report

Quoted By: >>29379587

>>29379400
Im not arguing for water/dragon
yes feraligatr competes with them no matter what, but something other than water dark would help give an incentive to use feraligatr rather than forcing them into the same exact niche

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:42:00 No.29379587 Report

Quoted By: >>29379712

>>29379511
The incentive to use Feraligatr is that it becomes the best option. None of those pokemon have DD + Sheer Force + a Mega. That would instantly make Feraligatr outpace the water/dark competition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:43:37 No.29379612 Report

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>>29378853
Water/Ice or Water/Dark Feraliatr keeping sheer force would be better, he has crunch and ice punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:49:57 No.29379712 Report

Quoted By: >>29379847

>>29379587
Yes, but that would be unfair to other waterdark pokemon, plus theres no gurantee feraligatr would become better than them. Im arguing for a solution that would help make all of them viable. Also, rarely do megas keep their abilities, so focusing on sheer force isnt realistic (speed boost sharpedo). Water dark is just not interesting IMO, but you are free to feel otherwise

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:52:46 No.29379759 Report

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>>29378853
>Mega Feraligatr gets Strong Jaw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:56:56 No.29379825 Report

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>>29378853
Grass Dragon is Godlike for neutral stabs, Water Dark is as well a ridiculously effective neutral stab choice.

Why the fuck do people want to turn Meganium into a higher BST Whimsicott with movepool issues?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:57:50 No.29379847 Report

Quoted By: >>29379945 >>29379951 >>29379962

>>29379712
>Also, rarely do megas keep their abilities
Audino, Medicham, Latis, Blaziken, Scizor, TTar all keep their ablility. Not keeping Sheer Force would make it all moot as Feraligatr would be useless. Literally doesn't matter what second typing it gets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:58:24 No.29379862 Report

Quoted By: >>29379899

>>29378853
will we ever get more megas?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 16:59:42 No.29379884 Report

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>>29378853
I would rather they only gave Gatr a Mega Evolution, and instead focused on the Sinnoh Starters.
Typhlosion and Meganium are too shit to get Megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:00:21 No.29379895 Report

Quoted By: >>29379923 >>29379934 >>29380140

>>29378939
Water/Dragon is arguably better because of STAB Outrage. If Feraligatr learns Knock Off then I personally would consider a Water/Dark mega. As it stands though I think it's unimaginative and overrated. Gyarados already has a Water/Dark mega anyway, why would you want to shove Gatr further into its shadow? Give it something to differentiate itself from Gyarados.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:00:35 No.29379899 Report

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>>29379862
Call me delusional but I think it depends on the D/P remakes, if we get them this gen. If those games don't have new megas, we won't get anymore megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:01:52 No.29379923 Report

Quoted By: >>29379998

>>29379895
I think it should be Water/Ice just to be a little different, other than walrien and the bunch of ice/water we had in gen 1 we really dont have nice water/ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:02:26 No.29379934 Report

Quoted By: >>29379992

>>29379895
Stab outrage doesn't have SE moves and it's easy as fuck to switch in a resistance.

Dark is stupidly hard to switch in when combined with water.

Are you dumb or just trying to protect your headcanon, dark is better than dragon on a sheer force Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:02:54 No.29379945 Report

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>>29379847
Unless it gets another good ability, like Tough Claws, for example

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:03:07 No.29379951 Report

Quoted By: >>29380029

>>29379847
You could give him Tough Claws which is a greater boost than Sheer Force and keeps the secondary effects of his moves. Sheer Force isn't as good if he doesn't have Life Orb.

Really, a great fix to the guy would be to give him a Water/Dragon mega with Tough Claws as an ability and to add a lot of speed. Then you have a bulky attacker with incredibly strong moves and several ways to boost its stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:03:49 No.29379962 Report

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>>29379847
They keep ONE of their possible abilities, heck, Audino would much rather want Regenerator than Healer too.

Besides, Sheer Force isn't as good if you don't have to ability to abuse LO with it. It's one of the reasons why Camerupt's Mega is comparatively mediocre to others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:05:19 No.29379992 Report

Quoted By: >>29380106

>>29379934
If you would read you'd understand I'm trying not to make Feraligatr turn into Mega Gyarados 0.5, you obnoxious moron.

If Feraligatr had Knock Off it'd make a Dark-type mega more worthwhile but his strongest fucking Dark-type move is Crunch which isn't that great even with Sheer Force. Furthermore giving him a different ability isn't out of the question for a mega. Tough Claws Outrage hits very hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:05:36 No.29379998 Report

Quoted By: >>29380063 >>29380114

>>29379923
>Water/Ice
Why do you want it to be even more shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:06:15 No.29380018 Report

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>>29378853
Fuck, that Typhlosion looks awesome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:06:33 No.29380029 Report

Quoted By: >>29380108

>>29379951
That is still stopped hard by steel fairy and unaware users...

Seriously dude, dark gives a better chance to break through defensive cores than dragon, making it dragon with though claws and that move pool makes it an inferior zard X. Are you going to dump 35+ on speed...

That's unrealistic for a mega on a starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:07:27 No.29380049 Report

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>>29378853
>Fire/Ground
It's the weakest of the 3 megas

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:08:18 No.29380063 Report

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>>29379998
Great STAB coverage, why else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:08:19 No.29380064 Report

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>>29378853
We aren't getting new megas ever dude.
Megas were gen 6's throwable gimmick. Just like gender differences for gen 4 and regional forms for gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:10:42 No.29380106 Report

Quoted By: >>29380138

>>29379992
Nobody uses Outrage anymore because it's a bad move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:10:48 No.29380108 Report

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>>29380029
MegaZard X gets 46 extra attack so it's not exactly unbelievable for Gatr to gain 30 more speed.

Unaware users are few and far in between. Quagsire's barely ever used and Clefable sits in OU. Swoobat is shit.

Feraligatr is stopped by bulky waters and fairies anyway, the idea is to remove his counters so he can break through everything else. I'm not trying to create a mega that breaks the game, I'm trying to create one that fixes Feraligatr's more prominent issues such as speed and move power. If I really wanted to break him I'd make him Water/Poison with Huge Power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:11:07 No.29380110 Report

Quoted By: >>29380200

>>29378853
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-19-pokemon-boss-explains-why-sun-and-moon-move-away-from-mega-evolution

Ever? Maybe. Soon? No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:11:22 No.29380114 Report

Quoted By: >>29380209

>>29379998
>ice fang
>ice punch
>ice beam
>blizzard

beats water/dark or water/dragon. if it were up to be it would stay pure water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:12:31 No.29380138 Report

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>>29380106
Then what would you suggest? Gatr's problems are move power and speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:12:41 No.29380140 Report

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>>29379895
Outrage is useless in Gen VI

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:13:31 No.29380158 Report

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>>29378939
Come on anon-kun...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:15:47 No.29380200 Report

Quoted By: >>29380285

>>29380110
>Z moves are implemented so shitmons are used more
>literally every pokemon learns Z moves
I don't understand this logic. Did I just get Masuda'd?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:15:58 No.29380209 Report

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>>29380114
Too bad Ice is a detrimental typing in almost all situations.
>Ice Beam
>Blizzard
fucking kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:18:43 No.29380265 Report

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>>29378853
>Keep typlhosion pure fire
>Gets earth power and grass knot
>Competitive

>Meganium fairy or steel
>Wish,some steel or fairy moves
>Heatproof

>Ferligatr dragon to go with Charizard and sceptile
>Sheer force
>Hone claws and dragon rush

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:19:51 No.29380285 Report

Quoted By: >>29380305

>>29380200
To be fair we don't know how many Z-moves there are yet or how many pokemon specific z-moves there are. There could be ones like Eevees for fully evolved pokemon that actually make them good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:20:05 No.29380295 Report

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R8 the gimmicks /vp/

Regional forms > megas >>> z moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 17:20:57 No.29380305 Report

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>>29380285
Based on how megas were handled last gen I wouldn't get my hopes up

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