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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:24:58 No.29385048 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29385073 >>29385100 >>29385116 >>29385121 >>29385160 >>29385216 >>29385352 >>29385388 >>29385391 >>29385646

Apparently, Z-moves can land Critical Hits. What are your thoughs about this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:26:32 No.29385073 Report

Quoted By: >>29385157

>>29385048
>Z-moves don't have priority
Well shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:26:51 No.29385075 Report

Quoted By: >>29385125

I don't really care, I just hope some of my opponents will use them too. I hated how megas were a big buff you got pretty early in X/Y but you fought only a handful of opponents that used them too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:27:58 No.29385100 Report

Quoted By: >>29385125 >>29385134

>>29385048
They won't anon, it's just a win button for the player. I expect the endboss and maybe your rival will use it in a friendly match.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:29:00 No.29385116 Report

Quoted By: >>29385990

>>29385048
so they're basically like the gen V Gems only they work for every move and you don't lose your item so you can't use Fugium Z then spam Acrobatics at 110 BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:29:10 No.29385121 Report

Quoted By: >>29385161 >>29385507

>>29385048
>Rowlet3 used Laser Focus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:29:26 No.29385125 Report

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>>29385100
>>29385075
meant to reply to you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:29:27 No.29385127 Report

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I'm really hoping they implement z moves better than they did megas.
Like youngster joey whipping out the normal z move unexpectedly. I want this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:29:58 No.29385134 Report

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>>29385100
It's not necessary a win button
Protect,resistences,immunities,and priority moves all work against it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:31:42 No.29385157 Report

Quoted By: >>29385190 >>29385224

>>29385073
Yeah, this nearly kills the argument of "It totally makes shitmons viable!".

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:31:47 No.29385160 Report

Quoted By: >>29385224 >>29385267 >>29385305 >>29385320 >>29385365

>>29385048
Meant to make shitmons viable. Doesn't get priority so rhydon and other mons with low speed will still be shit.

If you want to some up the meta here's a screenshots

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:31:51 No.29385161 Report

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>>29385121
That depends on its stats and hidden ability
If it's stats are shit or its hidden ability is useless then it's getting killed before it can use the Z-move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:33:10 No.29385190 Report

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>>29385157
That was never an argument, just a fucking excuse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:34:48 No.29385216 Report

Quoted By: >>29385396

>>29385048
Thanks for the spoilers jackass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:35:25 No.29385224 Report

Quoted By: >>29385284 >>29385303 >>29385388

>>29385160
>>29385157
At this point,why even make Z-moves
Why not locate the type with the most shitmons and give them a new ability that can help them with their overall weakness

The only semi-cool thing to come out of it is super sayian evee baton pass teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:38:28 No.29385267 Report

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>>29385160
Tfw you'll never get a free kill with Rock-type Z-move Rampardos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:38:44 No.29385270 Report

Quoted By: >>29385298 >>29385413 >>29385470 >>29385501

>introduce Megas
>give most of them to either already good Pokémon or to shitmons that are still shit when Mega
>introduce Z-Moves
>they are useless on shitmons

Now watch Alolan forms having the exact same stat spread as their regular form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:39:03 No.29385284 Report

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>>29385224
Half of the pokemon out there are shit mons because Game Freak didn't know how to make good abilities in gen 3. They should have spent this time revamping a bunch of abilities and moves. Which is still possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:40:14 No.29385298 Report

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>>29385270
The only mons I see making Z-moves even remotely work are speedsters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:40:29 No.29385303 Report

Quoted By: >>29385386 >>29385387 >>29385402 >>29385410 >>29385454 >>29385462

>>29385224
GF has this bizarre mindset that they must never change any pokemon's ability, stats or movepool to preserve some kind of consistency, even if the change would be welcomed by everyone. That's why GF introduced incenses when they could simply have made baby pre-evos hatch from eggs without the need for incense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:40:32 No.29385305 Report

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>>29385160
>they thought this was a good idea
Welp, back to making Megas. At least they showed they can make shitmons like Mawile viable this way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:41:08 No.29385320 Report

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>>29385160
I sure can't wait for the Dragon meta to return with Dragon Z Meteors and Dragon Z Poison Jabs and Dragon Z whatever because dragons learn all sorts of moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:43:01 No.29385352 Report

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>>29385048
They can be used once so I don't have to care about them unless I lack significant coverage. I don't play competitive either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:43:41 No.29385365 Report

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>>29385160
>It's on a move basis and not a type basis
You ready for the return of dragon meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:44:44 No.29385381 Report

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So Z moves are pretty much slightly better, flashier gems?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:44:49 No.29385386 Report

Quoted By: >>29385460

>>29385303
but they buffed some older mons in Gen 6

they could have done more but it's a start, I guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:44:52 No.29385387 Report

Quoted By: >>29385460

>>29385303
And Nidorina/Nidoqueen never having their egg groups fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:44:53 No.29385388 Report

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>>29385048
Sounds like it's substitute ninjack baton pass into a razor claw super luck honchcrow or absol that also got night slash and other + crits. If the sub holds I can give it a dire hit to bump it from 50% crit to 100% crit z-moves.

>>29385224
GF just does dumb shit every gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:45:09 No.29385391 Report

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>>29385048

Cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:45:30 No.29385396 Report

Quoted By: >>29385796

>>29385216
Just stop browsing /vp/ until the games are out if you consider Z-moves possibly landing crits a huge spoiler.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:45:52 No.29385402 Report

Quoted By: >>29385460

>>29385303
>What is Scolipede?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:46:22 No.29385410 Report

Quoted By: >>29385460

>>29385303
tfw we'll never get shadow tag chandelure

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:46:35 No.29385413 Report

Quoted By: >>29385465

>>29385270
>Now watch Alolan forms having the exact same stat spread as their regular form.

Please don't jinx it, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:46:43 No.29385415 Report

Quoted By: >>29385525

Can priority moves be passed through z moves? That´d be the shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:49:06 No.29385454 Report

Quoted By: >>29385488

>>29385303
List of Pokemon who had their base stats buffed in gen 6:

http://www.serebii.net/xy/updatedstats.shtml

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:49:23 No.29385460 Report

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>>29385386
Only 10 points and it was mostly useless buffs with a few exceptions.

>>29385387
They'll probably never fix that.

>>29385402
Only real ability retcon. That's one, anon.

>>29385410
Technically they retconned out Shadow Tag Chandelure, but to be fair it was never officially released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:49:25 No.29385462 Report

Quoted By: >>29385477

>>29385303
This. They decided to finally change some BSTs (which could have actually made a lot more mons viable) in Gen 6, and instead all they did was add +10 to defense for some of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:49:32 No.29385465 Report

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>>29385413
>We'll get a repeat of gen II sneasel where its learnset is useless trash and it has to live with tm's

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:49:44 No.29385470 Report

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>>29385270
Official site already mentioned that Alolan Sandslash is slower than the original, so the stat spreads are most likely different for all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:50:04 No.29385477 Report

Quoted By: >>29385518

>>29385462
A few got some extra attack

It was cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:50:35 No.29385488 Report

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>>29385454
yeah they did it fucking once barely at all to random shitmons and that fixed everything.

point still stands, they evidently dont retcon as much as possible and when they do its mostly shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:51:06 No.29385501 Report

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>>29385270
Hey now. Some megas really 180'd a few Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:51:31 No.29385507 Report

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>>29385121
Do we know if Rowlet leans towards special or physical at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:52:02 No.29385518 Report

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>>29385477
Still not nearly enough to actually change anything. Frankly, I wish they took the resources they put into making the Megas into actually fixing the fucked movepools and BSTs a lot of mons have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:52:21 No.29385525 Report

Quoted By: >>29385618 >>29385695

>>29385415
They can and it literally fuck the meta in the ass
The only mons who could effectively use Z-moves are fast ones who probably already have priority moves meaning you just give them a nuke to replace an item
What's even worse is that it's on a move basis so dragons have a nuke for fairy types in particular

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:56:59 No.29385618 Report

Quoted By: >>29385698

>>29385525
>aqua jet giga water attack huge power azumarill
My body is ready

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 21:58:27 No.29385646 Report

Quoted By: >>29385745 >>29386014

>>29385048
I'm ready for Shuckle's new record. It's going to be in the billions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 22:01:04 No.29385695 Report

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>>29385525
So you're telling me that Eevee can now be a viable Baton Passer just cause of its Z-move and Quick Attack ?

Holly

Shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 22:01:11 No.29385698 Report

Quoted By: >>29385729 >>29385806

>>29385618
That's only the start
Let me put this thought in your mind
Dragonite

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 22:02:27 No.29385729 Report

Quoted By:

>>29385698
>[Screams internally]

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 22:03:25 No.29385745 Report

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>>29385646
It's already in the billions IIRC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 22:05:50 No.29385796 Report

Quoted By: >>29386149

>>29385396
We have spoiler options for a reason. 4chan is supposed to be a spoiler free zone and you fags are ruining it with your leaks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 22:06:31 No.29385806 Report

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>>29385698
>Rock type Z-move Accelrock Lycanroc that completly fucks Talonflame in the ass
>Normal type Z-move E-Speed from Mega Ray and Arceus
>Flying type Z-move BB from a Talonflame
>literally any Prankster user move acording to its Z-move like Electrium-Z Moewstic or Ghostium-Z Sableye

GOOD

HELL

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 22:17:04 No.29385990 Report

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>>29385116
I never thought of it that way. Shame they're worse than gems, since Unburden and Acrobatics users can't take advantage of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 22:18:44 No.29386014 Report

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>>29385646
Doesn't it need a Metronome?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2016 22:26:26 No.29386149 Report

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>>29385796
Just wondering, is finding out that Z-Moves can crit that big of a spoiler? I can understand things like plot and Pokemon, but this is a minor fact that will likely have little-to-no impact on how you enjoy or play the game.

I'm genuinely asking, not trying to be rude or anything.

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