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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 16:06:13 No.29438097 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29441569 >>29444362 >>29446969 >>29447059

Zinnia is a good character

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 16:07:42 No.29438114 Report

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Lillie, however, is batshit crazy and stupid

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 16:16:39 No.29438261 Report

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 16:18:48 No.29438291 Report

Quoted By: >>29438585 >>29438657 >>29444416

I'd hardly call her a character at all. She was just a big truckload of exposition with a name.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 16:37:04 No.29438585 Report

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>>29438291
she ded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 16:39:03 No.29438620 Report

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>>29438585
No, because people have adamantium bones in the manga

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 16:40:07 No.29438640 Report

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>>29438585
No but crippled in a wheelchair

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 16:41:03 No.29438657 Report

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>>29438291
why did fug attack her anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 19:16:08 No.29441001 Report

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Nice tits too

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 19:19:56 No.29441044 Report

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She's a good character, just surrounded by bad writing. What we hear of her story and what we see of her role is very interesting. And it was nice seeing someone like her on the side of good for once.

I still like her, though. But if she saw more consequences to her actions and had her learn from her mistakes some more, she would have been one of my favorite characters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 19:29:25 No.29441203 Report

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>>29441044
She already is my favorite character from ORAS, mainly because everyone else was insufferable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 19:33:39 No.29441282 Report

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I want to rape Zinnia.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 19:49:11 No.29441569 Report

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>>29438097
FOR ME TO POOP ON

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 19:49:57 No.29441588 Report

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>>29441282
NO!

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 19:51:26 No.29441616 Report

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good for fucking, maybe

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 19:52:02 No.29441627 Report

Quoted By: >>29441724 >>29441783 >>29441908 >>29444002 >>29447114

So who is Aster? In the manga she's just a friend or w/e, but it makes me curious.

I like to imagine that Aster was his daughter, since her being a caring mother who lost her child makes Zinnia much more compelling.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 19:58:18 No.29441724 Report

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>>29441627
Non-specific on purpose. You're supposed to fill in the blanks.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 20:01:52 No.29441783 Report

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>>29441627
She's like 16 how the fuck would she have a kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 20:03:03 No.29441810 Report

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>>29441282
Zinnia wants to rape you

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 20:04:35 No.29441851 Report

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>>29438657
Because he was tired of her fucking shit and he knows that Sapphire is the best waifu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 20:04:40 No.29441852 Report

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>>29441724
If I recall correctly, Shigeru Ohmori said that Aster was the Lorekeeper before Zinnia

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 20:05:21 No.29441869 Report

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>>29438657
iirc in the manga she's pulling the strings and responsible for awakening Groudon and Kyogre (since she wanted to summon fug)
Fug got pissed

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 20:06:49 No.29441908 Report

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>>29441627
I'm a Slowpoke and just realized
>Aster
>Zinnia
>A
>Z

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 20:06:52 No.29441910 Report

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>>29441783
we've already established in the pokemon world it's standard practice to let your 10 year old children leave home and go on adventures. I'm sure that most of the girls who leave end up getting raped once or twice while staying in pokemon hostels.

Explains why all of the protags except may/brendan are raised by single mothers.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 20:07:12 No.29441918 Report

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>>29441869
She does that in the games. But they don't portray her as a good guy like the games

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 20:07:40 No.29441928 Report

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>>29441783
Zinnia doesn't seem like she'd use protection or contraceptives. Plus she's kind of immature, so I imagine she was just irresponsible and got pregnant by accident.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 20:10:04 No.29441975 Report

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>>29441852
That would make the most sense, but Word of God should always be taken with a grain of salt.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 21:05:59 No.29443115 Report

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Oh, oh wow. A Zinnia thread without flame wars about whether or not she's a good character or a shitty one. I'm impressed /vp/

Keep the thread like this for a little while, I'll return and actually contribute something later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 21:51:30 No.29444002 Report

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>>29441627
Aster was the original Lorekeeper who was supposed to tame Rayquaza and stop the meteor. She was younger than Zinnia, not actually her daughter but Zinnia looked after her and developed a sort of motherly bond with her. Then she died, and the title passed to Zinnia. Zinnia blamed herself for her death and went a bit nutty under the pressure knowing she wasn't prepared for the role, and started talking to Aster's Whismur as if was actually Aster.

That's my take on it, nothing else fits enough to explain it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 21:57:16 No.29444107 Report

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Good on paper, very good in fact. Boring as hell in the games themselves though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 22:11:27 No.29444362 Report

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>>29438097
Good idea, friggin poor execution.

Someone on the writing staff loved her too much. Majority of fans despise her.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 22:14:22 No.29444416 Report

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>>29438291

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2016 22:18:15 No.29444522 Report

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>>29441918
They portray her as a straight up villain in the manga.

She becomes egocentric and extremely selfish, was responsible for Norman turning out like he did, Ruby's scar, etc.

And then she tried to take control/tame Fug, (who'd already chosen Ruby and Sapphire) who also knew she awoke the other two stooges, so he wasn't having it and she finally got her comeuppance by getting crippled.

Whereas her only real crime in the game besides instigating terrorism, vandalism and grand theft was being boring and kind of nuisance.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 00:20:35 No.29446942 Report

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>>29441282
I want Zinnia to force me to lick her toes.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 00:22:30 No.29446969 Report

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>>29438097
Eat shit, asshole!
Fall off your dragon!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 00:24:44 No.29447006 Report

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The best part about Zinnia is that she got crippled in the manga. I haven't seen a character this insufferable in a long time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 00:28:57 No.29447059 Report

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>>29438097
...because?

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 00:30:24 No.29447086 Report

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>>29441975
>That would make the most sense, but Word of God should always be taken with a grain of salt.

They were pretty specific about what Aster was. This isn't Miyamoto we're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 00:32:30 No.29447114 Report

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>>29441627
>I like to imagine that Aster was his daughter, since her being a caring mother who lost her child makes Zinnia much more compelling.

Your imagination was disproven some time ago. Drop your mourning mother fantasies already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 00:42:07 No.29447271 Report

Quoted By: >>29447508 >>29447641 >>29447645 >>29447801

Could someone please give me her run down? Never played oras, but her design is really nice.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 00:55:44 No.29447508 Report

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>>29447271
She's hot.
Just watch any let's play on youtube of the Delta Episode. It's short.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:02:28 No.29447641 Report

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>>29447271
She's a hastily inserted character designed to have Delta Episode revolve around her. When she is around, all other NPCs become incompetent and incapable of resisting her. She randomly knows meta shit her character has no business knowing, because shitty exposition.
She fucks up Steven's plan to stop a meteor from destroying the world, because she thinks she can get Rayquaza to destroy it. She can't.
Thankfully the MC exists. Otherwise she would have doomed the world to destruction because she's a stupid bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:02:46 No.29447645 Report

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>>29447271
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Delta_Episode

Basically, there's a meteor about to destroy the world and the plan is to teleport the thing to another dimension. Seems like a good plan, but Zinnia shows up and ruins it. Her reasoning is that you might be dooming another world in the other dimension and she already has a different plan of her own. This is after you find out she was secretly behind team Aqua/Magma summoning the primal mons that almost destroyed the world so her reasoning and motives seem questionable. Then you find out she's part of a dragon cult that thinks she can use Rayquaza destroy it, which is supposed to explain why she's been running around stealing mega stones, but fug doesn't cooperate so you wind up doing it instead after it eats a macguffin you've been carrying around almost the whole game. Then she disappears, her task being completed by you, and everyone's mad she didn't face any sort of consequences for her dastardly deeds.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:06:22 No.29447710 Report

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>>29447641
Also for no reason she acts like a feral child in her battle intro, even though there's no indication of this being part of her characterization at any other point.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:06:58 No.29447717 Report

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>>29446942
that doesn't sound very sanitary

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:08:07 No.29447734 Report

Quoted By: >>29447791 >>29447837

>>29447641
>>29447645
Thanks. She seems to be a victim of overconfidence. I will comfort her and together we will become strong, and she can finally tame him.
>>29447710
Feral child?

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:09:56 No.29447768 Report

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>>29438640
Got pics of her in the wheelchair?

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:11:20 No.29447791 Report

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>>29447734
She makes this pose when you battle her, but stands upright and acts like a normal person any other time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:12:01 No.29447801 Report

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>>29447271
Incredibly simply put, great design but a completely retarded character. There's a reason GF has been using the Gym/Elite 4/Champion progression for six generations, they can't write their way out of a paper bag. The Delta Episode honestly makes me a bit worried what SuMo is going to look like, since there's apparently even more of a focus on the story.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:13:10 No.29447824 Report

Quoted By: >>29447868

>>29441910
Can't see it.

"Squirtle, hit the bad man who touched me where I pee until he stops moving"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:13:42 No.29447828 Report

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>>29447717
That's why I have to clean them.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:13:56 No.29447830 Report

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>>29447801
I think the difference is, they had to awkwardly insert Zinnia into an existing traditional pokemon game.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:14:46 No.29447837 Report

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>>29447734
>Feral child?
She's kind of nutty. Gif related.

Really though, she's just a victim of bad planning on GF's part. The Delta Episode takes maybe 15 minutes because you just fly from one cutscene encounter to another with a lot of talking but you're not really doing much. If they worked her into the game like they should have I think people wouldn't be so hypercritical.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 01:16:49 No.29447868 Report

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>>29447824
>bad man shoots the turtle

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 02:58:38 No.29449823 Report

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Zinnia did nothing wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 03:02:05 No.29449892 Report

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>>29447868

Pokemon tend to shrug off tidal waves crashing boulders bites from things that crush concrete punches from things that shatter steel and actually bullet punches.I think it'll be fine

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 03:04:40 No.29449940 Report

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>>29443115
>RWBY
Please don't come back.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 03:18:48 No.29450245 Report

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>>29449940
>Posting internet memes
Stay out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 03:40:44 No.29450675 Report

Quoted By: >>29451940

Only decent part about ORAS was the Delta Episode. I really enjoy lore though, and it set up the scene really nicely for Sun & Moon. I constantly remember wondering after playing that and then hearing Masuda's tie up quote what exactly the next game would be. Never would have that the lore would have become so complex since then

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 04:54:39 No.29451940 Report

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>>29450675
I can't quite tell if you're being serious.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 05:37:34 No.29452491 Report

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I want to lick her ....

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