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Introduce Invisicles as an Ice Counterpart to Stealth Rock

Give the moves a chance to fail, and even moreso if used consequetively, but will 100% succeed if used by their respective types.

Also, Faster mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 06:54:56 No.29453228 Report

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>>29453218
ya, the only non legendary ice type in ou

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 06:55:57 No.29453237 Report

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>>29453226
if stealth rock doesn't uncuck rock why would invisicles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 06:57:54 No.29453256 Report

Quoted By: >>29453843

>>29453193
Stop making Ice types slow and defensive and start making them fast and hard-hitting. That solves the vast majority of Ice's problems. Also, give them movesets and abilities worth a damn, and give Hail the same kind of defensive boost to Ice types that Sandstorm gives to Rock types, so Hail is a viable weather, and that will make it so the defensive Ice types that DO exist can maybe have some kind of niche to fill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 06:59:39 No.29453273 Report

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>>29453237
>Give the moves a chance to fail, and even moreso if used consequetively, but will 100% succeed if used by their respective types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:00:05 No.29453275 Report

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>>29453226
This doesn't solve Ice's main problem. Ice is already an awesome attack type. Giving it new moves doesn't change anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:00:07 No.29453276 Report

Quoted By: >>29453307

eitheir modify resistances and weakness like gen 6 did with steel(although it's my understanding that they reverted those changes with SM) or start building ice and rock Pokemon with speedier and more offensively based stat spreads. Right now they're really into making slow defensive ice and rock types, despite ice and rock being awful defensive typings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:00:53 No.29453282 Report

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>>29453273
Why not just give it to a select few ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:03:29 No.29453300 Report

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>>29453193
You know what we need? A buff to Hail. A way to make actually useful. As useful as ALL THE OTHER WEATHER EFFECTS.

I really don't know why Gamefreak never improved Hail when Ice types clearly need the most help out of Fire, Water, and Rock.

So, what buffs do you guys think would make Hail and Ice types simultaneously good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:03:41 No.29453301 Report

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Hail now boosts the Defense of Ice-types by 50%.

Sand Rush and Sand Force equivalents for Hail, distributed to just enough Non-Ice types to help diversify Hail teams.

Remove Ice Beam from the movepools of roughly 75% of non-Ice types that currently learn it, particularly Water-types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:04:06 No.29453307 Report

Quoted By: >>29453327 >>29453828

>>29453276
Where did you hear that they reverted the Steel changes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:04:28 No.29453310 Report

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>>29453300
well if sandstorm increases sp def of rock types it would be logical to increase the def of ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:06:45 No.29453327 Report

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>>29453307
It's just a rumor I've seen floating around /vp/, so take it with a grain of salt. I probably should've worded it differently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:07:19 No.29453334 Report

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>Glalie gets a mega
>it's STILL less viable than Froslass

Speed is everything.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:08:13 No.29453344 Report

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>Tyranitar
If you want to make rock types more viable in OU, its simple:
A) stop giving them all shit low speed stats and most importantly
B) give them an actual strong, reliable 100 BP/Accuracy Rock stab move that they can abuse like EQ instead of relying on shit moves like Ancient Power or low accuracy moves like Rock Slide or Stone Edge
Rock is a fucking amazing offensive typing. The mons are just fuck by base stats, move pool, and abilities (study is decent, but nothing special).

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:08:18 No.29453346 Report

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Ice loses its Fighting weakness and gains resistances to Ground and Flying.

Rock now resists Ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:10:10 No.29453370 Report

Quoted By: >>29453417 >>29453443

Would rock be viable if its ground weakness were removed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:15:31 No.29453417 Report

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>>29453370
Heck, make it resistance so the ground/rock relationship is like water/ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:18:07 No.29453441 Report

Quoted By: >>29453463

>>29453193
We have had this exact same thread multiple times a day for at least the last 2 weeks

you have had 20 years to get the fuck over it and i suggest you do it, because gamefreak is wholly uninterested in doing anything except the bare minimum.

your only recourse is to make a romhack or fangame or to allow gamefreak to continue shitting into your open mouth

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:18:21 No.29453443 Report

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>>29453370
Really wouldn't matter much since water still its it on the special side and rock types are notorious for having bad speed/Special atk and def. Losing a weakness can do wonders for a mon, but at most itll increase their presence in the lower NU/RU tiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:21:01 No.29453463 Report

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>>29453441
Ice actually wasn't shit for 20 years. It was okay in Gen 1.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:23:46 No.29453495 Report

Quoted By: >>29453509

>>29453193
Make Ice-type super effective against Water. It would make Ice more useful and Water less OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:25:27 No.29453509 Report

Quoted By: >>29453521 >>29453546 >>29453550 >>29453555 >>29453573

>>29453495
they did that already

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:27:18 No.29453521 Report

Quoted By: >>29453535 >>29453546 >>29453564

>>29453509

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:28:04 No.29453535 Report

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>>29453521
i said THEY DID THAT ALREADY

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:28:50 No.29453546 Report

Quoted By: >>29453563 >>29453573

>>29453509
>>29453521

freeze-dry

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:29:02 No.29453550 Report

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>>29453509
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:29:24 No.29453555 Report

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>>29453509
A move that only a few Ice-types learn doesn't count.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:30:05 No.29453563 Report

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>>29453546
It's okay guys, Fighting is now Super Effective against Grass!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:30:05 No.29453564 Report

Quoted By: >>29453573 >>29453589

>>29453521
He's talking about Freeze-Dry, which is 70 BP and can only be learned by eight (8) Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:30:56 No.29453573 Report

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>>29453509
>>29453546
>>29453564
Make it a TM all Ice-types can learn, and make a Physical variant of it. Then it'll be all good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:32:23 No.29453589 Report

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>>29453564
>8)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:34:00 No.29453613 Report

Quoted By: >>29453623 >>29453719

In other news. Ghost type moves now make you invulnerable, Flying moves always hit and Poision moves reset stat changes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:34:34 No.29453623 Report

Quoted By: >>29453655

>>29453613
none of that is true

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:34:57 No.29453625 Report

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Fuck it, make 2 good physical rock and Ice TM moves. Both 100% accurate and with at least 80-90 BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:38:50 No.29453655 Report

Quoted By: >>29453668

>>29453623
It's as true as Ice is Super Effective against Water

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:40:07 No.29453668 Report

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>>29453655
Freeze Dry is Super-effective on Water, but that's my opinion and you're entitled to your own (imo)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:41:46 No.29453683 Report

Quoted By: >>29453698 >>29453710 >>29453719 >>29453759

>>29453668
Phantom Force makes you invulnerable for a turn
Aerial Ace doesn't miss
Clear Smog removes stat changes

One move is not representative of the entire type. Otherwise Fighting is Super Effective against Grass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:42:31 No.29453690 Report

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>>29453463
>Ice wasn't shit in gen 1

True, due to a mixture of reason:

Steel didn't exist(super-effective to ice, but also drives up the usage of Fire and Fighting), Fighting was garbage, Fire was mediocre at best. Rock was pretty mediocre as well due to the lack of power on Rok Slide.

Also, the Ice types in gen 1:
Cloyster, Dewgong, Lapras: Also had the always stupidly good Water-type
Jynx: Also Psychic type, I don't need to say more than that.
Articuno: Legendary.

Even then, Articuno and Dewgong fails to reach OU.

Ice was good in gen 1 because a good amount of types were bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:43:41 No.29453698 Report

Quoted By: >>29453716

>>29453683
>Flying Press
Took me a while

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:45:07 No.29453710 Report

Quoted By: >>29453726 >>29453732

>>29453683
those are all just opinions

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:45:40 No.29453716 Report

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>>29453698
Fire type moves burn 100% of the time, but don't use Normal because you'll die after using them!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:45:57 No.29453719 Report

Quoted By: >>29453730

>>29453613
>>29453683
This. Ice type needs to be super effect against Water. One move doesn't mean shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:46:48 No.29453726 Report

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>>29453710
Damage control in full force.
This is an anonymous image board, you can admit being wrong, your e-penis won't shrink.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:47:29 No.29453730 Report

Quoted By: >>29453745

>>29453719
i think water should be super effective against ice because water makes ice become more water by adding the hotness of the liquid water to the coldness of the icy ice and causes the melting to occur

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:47:44 No.29453732 Report

Quoted By: >>29453742

>>29453710
Oh right, Phantom Force making you invulnerable for a turn is just an opinion. I forgot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:49:05 No.29453742 Report

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>>29453732
good to see that you remembered, friend
have a nice night, talk to you tomorrow

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:49:23 No.29453745 Report

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>>29453730
Or the other way around. Water freezes on contact with a fucking Ice Beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:51:41 No.29453759 Report

Quoted By: >>29453767

>>29453683
Don't forget that all Water, Steel and Normal type moves always hit first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:52:27 No.29453763 Report

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We need thermal RPS, Water beats Fire, Fire beats Ice, Ice should beat Water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:53:33 No.29453767 Report

Quoted By: >>29453784

>>29453759
Yeah, Normal hits even more first, but you die afterwards as a result.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:56:43 No.29453782 Report

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Take away some of their weakness. You can't really do much else cause if you buff rock, ice gets fucked more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:57:02 No.29453784 Report

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>>29453767
And it can Burn, Paralyze or Freeze your Pokemon. Man, Normal is OP as fuck.4

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Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:57:26 No.29453787 Report

Quoted By: >>29453813

What is gained from having this same fucking thread day in and day out
>DAE think Weavile and Mamoswine are the only good ice types lololol
>Yeah, It should resist Water and Flying and Ground and Bug!
>Yeah, I agree
>lol same
>Yeah, and Water needs o be weak to poison, too, right?
>Yeah, definitely!

That's it. That's all that happens. If you want this shit to happen then make your own pokemon game or something where Ice is far and away the best type. It's like /r9k/ where it's just an echo chamber of bitching

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 07:59:19 No.29453795 Report

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ice now resists water
ice now resists dragon

ice is no longer weak to steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 08:00:44 No.29453801 Report

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Nerf water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 08:04:44 No.29453813 Report

Quoted By: >>29453822

>>29453787
By that logic, the entire board is pointless, since nothing will ever come out of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 08:07:31 No.29453822 Report

Quoted By: >>29453841 >>29453859

>>29453813
now you're smartening up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 08:08:17 No.29453828 Report

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>>29453307
Some dude thought hakamo-o was steel and then concluded that they must have returned to the old steel since night slash hits it for nve damage lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 08:09:18 No.29453834 Report

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>>29453275
Give Aurora Veil good distribution amongst Ice types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 08:10:07 No.29453841 Report

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>>29453822
Which means since there's nothing better to talk about we might as well discuss this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 08:10:23 No.29453843 Report

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>>29453207
>>29453256
Or maybe fix the type chart so that good and viable Ice types aren't pigeonholed into a single build barring legendary-tier stats or a broken ability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Oct 2016 08:12:18 No.29453859 Report

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>>29453822
T-that also means my whole life has been pointless. It's like there's no point in life...

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