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Eusine and Zinnia

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 22:49:35 No.29598759 View View Reply Original Report

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>tfw GameFreak made a better Zinnia years ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 22:54:36 No.29598854 Report

Quoted By: >>29598975 >>29599065 >>29599080 >>29599112 >>29605412

I wish Eusine had been "shoehorned into the main plot" then maybe he would have been memorable

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 22:57:53 No.29598954 Report

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Eusine is one of my favorite characters in the entire franchise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 22:58:38 No.29598975 Report

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>>29598854
For the wrong reasons. People already hate making the legendary catch in HGSS mandatory

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:00:55 No.29599027 Report

Quoted By: >>29599359

But Eusine isn't cheap waifu material, anon!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:02:29 No.29599065 Report

Quoted By: >>29603187

>>29598854
fpbp

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:03:01 No.29599080 Report

Quoted By: >>29599206 >>29599842 >>29603167

>>29598854
unmemorable is better than actively annoying

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:04:50 No.29599112 Report

Quoted By: >>29599253 >>29599379 >>29601473

>>29598854
He was plot-important in Crystal, I think

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:07:15 No.29599162 Report

Quoted By: >>29599359 >>29602268

B-BUT MUH WAIIIFUUUU
Virgins past the age of 18 need to be gassed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:08:48 No.29599190 Report

Quoted By: >>29599254 >>29599553

Unrelated, but is Deoxys supposed to be catchable on the first try? It just seemed a little too easy for me to be able to catch it like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:09:40 No.29599206 Report

Quoted By: >>29603167

>>29599080
This, I wouldnt want a good character ruined for the sake of more relevance.

niche quality>broad hate

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:09:44 No.29599207 Report

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>>29598759
I don't care what anyone says

Seeing Zinnia getting BTFO by Rayquaza at the top of Sky Pillar was hilarious

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:10:11 No.29599222 Report

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>>29598759
Please, Eusine was a flamboyant annoying faggot.
Sure he's not Zinnia bad, but he was bad anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:10:32 No.29599230 Report

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>>29598759
Of course Eusine is better than Zinnia. Literally every single character in Pokemon is better character than Zinnia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:11:32 No.29599253 Report

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>>29599112
Nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:11:34 No.29599254 Report

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>>29599190
He has a catchrate of 3, which is the lowest catchrate possible. You were lucky, or unlucky if seen from another point of view.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:12:19 No.29599270 Report

Quoted By: >>29599287 >>29599359 >>29599514

>It's a "this character is bad because they didn't praise and coddle the protagonist at every opportunity" episode

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:12:49 No.29599279 Report

Quoted By: >>29599408

>>29598759
1. When the text reads "SAAAAAAVE THE WORLD!!" in a mocking tone, it weakens the argument since it's a valid idea being treated as invalid via author's bias.

2. There was no main plot in HGSS aside from going on the gym challenge. Or if you would treat Team Rocket/interaction with the evil team as being the main plot, then Zinnia's relevance was tied to the main plot no matter what since the ORAS main plot actively involved the weather trio.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:13:06 No.29599287 Report

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>>29599270
Zinnia praised the fuck out of the MC too, idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:17:14 No.29599359 Report

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>>29599270
Are you retarded? The MC is literally the only person Zinnia coddled.

>>29599162
>>29599027
This, honestly

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:18:01 No.29599379 Report

Quoted By: >>29599418 >>29599465

>>29599112
>Plot-important
If you mean he just happens upon you in his own search for Suicune being plot-important to the game, you have the wrong idea for what qualifies as "plot-important."

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:19:42 No.29599408 Report

Quoted By: >>29599501 >>29603167 >>29606511

>>29599279
>there was no reason to tie Zinna to the evil team's actions at all. Rayquaza wasnt a part of the main plot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:20:10 No.29599418 Report

Quoted By: >>29599465

>>29599253
>>29599379
bear in mind the last time I played a gen 2 game was when I was 10.

also, didn't Eusine help summon Ho-oh
in Crystal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:22:25 No.29599465 Report

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>>29599379
>>29599418
I think the search ended in Bell Tower in Crystal, but in HGSS it extended into Kanto and was separate from the Box Legendary plot.

This was probably because the Bell Tower needed to be available in case you chose HeartGold instead of SoulSIilver

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:24:29 No.29599501 Report

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>>29599408
What are you implying? I can't tell if you're just greentexting for no reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:25:12 No.29599514 Report

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>>29599270
>He thinks this is the problem people have
It's not about how much a character strokes your ego. They both do it, like nearly all Pokemon characters. But at least Eusine felt like a normal person when he said it. Not like "OwO what's dis? You're the ultimate chozen 1"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:26:08 No.29599537 Report

Quoted By: >>29599718

>>29599501
I think I instinctively greentexted that when I didnt need to. Never mind the color

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:26:42 No.29599553 Report

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>>29599190
>First playthrough of ORAS Deoxys takes 5000 ultra balls
>Second playthrough he's caught in 1 quick ball
K

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:27:47 No.29599581 Report

Quoted By: >>29599633 >>29603167

>op never learned the difference between its and it's in third grade
opinion instantly discarded. no right to talk about anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:29:33 No.29599622 Report

Quoted By: >>29599687 >>29599703

>>29598759
You basically described two different characters, you realize that, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:30:07 No.29599633 Report

Quoted By: >>29600434

>>29599581
>retard never learned that a sentence needs a subject and a verb in third grade
Your opinion has been instantly discarded. You have no right to talk about anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:32:38 No.29599687 Report

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>>29599622
isnt that obvious?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:33:21 No.29599703 Report

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>>29599622
Yes. But he described how one was done better

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:34:05 No.29599718 Report

Quoted By: >>29599794

>>29599537
Then if you don't consider Rayquaza a part of the main plot, Zinnia by extension is not part of the main plot and there is still no problem. Her goal was always to get in touch with Rayquaza which is why she infiltrated the evil team since they were the most connected to the weather trio.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:34:48 No.29599729 Report

Quoted By: >>29601625 >>29603167

>>29598759
Just imagine if Eusine and Zinnia had swapped designs or genders. Than there would be no fighting waifu fags trying to defend Zinnia

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:37:57 No.29599794 Report

Quoted By: >>29600075

>>29599718
She is secretly one of the evil team grunts, and becomes the person who inspired the events of the main plot in the first place

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:39:45 No.29599842 Report

Quoted By: >>29599909 >>29600107

>>29599080
Not really if a character is unmemorable then what's the point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:41:21 No.29599878 Report

Quoted By: >>29600002

>>29598759
Zinnia > Eusine
At least she didn't go around with a name that literally sounded like a pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:42:49 No.29599909 Report

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>>29599842
Would you rather a character you like be made worse just to be more popular? I legitimately dont get this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:46:32 No.29600002 Report

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>>29599878
how is that relevant

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:48:58 No.29600075 Report

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>>29599794
>She is secretly one of the evil team grunts
I acknowledged that.

>and becomes the person who inspired the events of the main plot in the first place
Since these games a remake, they were going to provoke the weather trio regardless. If anything, her plans which were revealed in the post-game so didn't actually re-write the main plot, filled in the gaps for why they'd want to wield the weather trio rather than build/steal technology to do so anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:49:53 No.29600107 Report

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>>29599842
Then the character served their purpose and you can move on easily enough. An annoying character can ruin the experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:54:06 No.29600209 Report

Quoted By: >>29600373 >>29600412 >>29600832

>>29598759
don't forget he's got a better theme than her, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nQiEDlEfXc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:57:13 No.29600303 Report

Quoted By: >>29600560

>>29600075
But the point was that she is put into the main plot. If you acknowledged why she was, what is the argument?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Nov 2016 23:59:42 No.29600373 Report

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>>29600209
Hell no. Zinnia's theme is great. Really the only thing about the character I enjoy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:01:24 No.29600412 Report

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>>29600209
almost sounds like something from an ace attorney investigations game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:02:19 No.29600434 Report

Quoted By: >>29600779 >>29603263

>>29599633
typical desu. the moment someone points out that someone has failed in grammar at the most fundamental of fundamental levels, someone complains about the normal native usage of the person pointing that out in order to defend them

you should legitimately kill yourself if you don't know the difference between its and it's. or you should just take the 5 seconds it requires to learn. pick one, and don't defend people who can't do it unless they have legitimate brain problems

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:06:49 No.29600560 Report

Quoted By: >>29600779

>>29600303
Because the pic in the OP claimed she was shoehorned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:15:44 No.29600779 Report

Quoted By: >>29601058

>>29600560
But she was given importance in the main plot in a way that was entirely unnecessary

>>29600434
defaulting to complaining about grammar is the definition of not having an argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:17:28 No.29600832 Report

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>>29600209
This founds fucking great. Can someone post Zinnia's theme for reference? I always hear people sing it's praises

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:26:04 No.29601058 Report

Quoted By: >>29601358

>>29600779
If it's a matter of necessity we could cut out so much in these games. GF considered Battle Frontier unnecessary, for example.

You could consider Aarune unnecessary since we didn't need him in the original games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:27:07 No.29601090 Report

Quoted By: >>29601408 >>29601625

>>29598759
Good job! You accurately compared an ally to the player character to an anti hero. Great point noting that Eusine encourages you and aides you in finding Suicune while Zinnia, the villainous character who stole your friend's keystone, is mean and rude!!! XP pwned!!!1!!1!

Compare Bianca and Lysandre next!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:36:27 No.29601358 Report

Quoted By: >>29601419

>>29601058
>If it's a matter of necessity we could cut out so much in these games.
Yeah, but see, that's not what you two were talking about. As I read it, this is about Zinnia being jammed into the roll of mastermind behind the plot. ADDING, not cutting.
=V

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:38:38 No.29601408 Report

Quoted By: >>29601662

>>29601090
>Zinnia, the villainous character
>mfw when the character is so poorly written that some people actually think that this is how she was supposed to be interpreted as

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:38:59 No.29601419 Report

Quoted By: >>29601589

>>29601358
Rayquaza is the superior to Groudon and Kyogre, so it's not a stretch to say she went the route of getting them to fight to spur it into showing itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:41:12 No.29601473 Report

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>>29599112
No. He was just as forgettable there too

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:45:55 No.29601589 Report

Quoted By: >>29601898

>>29601419
Yes?
That's exactly why she manipulated Magma/Aqua. To bring down Fug since he'd have to put the babies back in their place. You are agreeing that she was pulling the strings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:47:36 No.29601625 Report

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>>29599729
There really wouldnt be.

>>29601090
You think she was meant to be villainous?
Anon, she was meant to be the enlightened one who knew more than the foolish, naive scientists.

It would be better to compare Cyrus and Lysandre.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:48:49 No.29601662 Report

Quoted By: >>29601918 >>29601994

>>29601408
No. She's an anti hero. She's the equivalent to Archie and Maxie. She tried to summon her favorite legendary by stealing shit from others. She has good intentions but bad actions. She was corrupt to a level where she became underhanded. Rayquaza proves it. Her grandma proves it. If you actually paid attention to her rather than /vp/'s head canons about her, you'd see you're wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 00:59:28 No.29601898 Report

Quoted By: >>29602001 >>29602107

>>29601589
Right and I said it's not unnecessary since it actually flows.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:00:05 No.29601918 Report

Quoted By: >>29602234

>>29601662
>She tried to summon her favorite legendary by stealing shit from others.
You're not really wrong, but why do people make it out to be that she was trying to summon Ray for shits and giggles? I thought it was specifically to destroy the life-ending meteor.

And anti-hero or no I think she was just mentally defunct. If she could just summon Ray with keystones why wouldn't she just go with that plan first instead of the whole "let's make ubermons fight and endanger the world?" She could even have asked for the keystones first. I could understand if they didn't believe her and refused so she had to steal them afterwards, but to not even try?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:03:19 No.29601994 Report

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>>29601662
>you can only disagree with me if you werent paying attention

She was in no way being positioned in the same way as Archie or Maxie, as they were never position as even possibly in the right. People didnt just shrug after getting robbed by Aqua and Magma. Hel, Archie and Maxie were made more sympathetic than her, showing regret in the climax, and afterwards as well

It's not about what she is supposed to be, but how well they made that come across.

Not to mention she was written by someone who literally did this already. This isnt just /vp/ disliking her either

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:03:51 No.29602001 Report

Quoted By: >>29602200

>>29601898
But if it works without her than it's literally by definition unnecessary.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:07:22 No.29602065 Report

Quoted By: >>29602107

I thought Zinnia wasn't great, but I stopped caring and just saw it and enjoyed it for what it was. I agree with pic related in the end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:09:31 No.29602107 Report

Quoted By: >>29602200

>>29601898
making sense=/=being necessary

>>29602065
the climax of the episode was indeed the best part. The only good part, really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:13:06 No.29602170 Report

Quoted By: >>29602788

Suicine was a side plot legendary so he got a side plot character.

Rayquaza is, what? The big daddy of the two big daddy legendaries of the game? Of course the plot is going to warp arond him and whatever trainer is obsessed with him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:14:42 No.29602200 Report

Quoted By: >>29602350 >>29602378

>>29602001
>>29602107
Again, you can make an argument against a vast majority of the game being necessary since what you appreciate is subjective. To Game Freak, who is the deciding factor, she was necessary, hence she was in the games to fulfill the various roles she does.

The game could've done without Aarune with Secret Contests, Lisia with Contests, modifying all the evil team admins, soaring in the sky, Dexnav, primal evolution, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:16:57 No.29602234 Report

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>>29601918
I mean, I'm not denying she's a bit retarded. I agree with you there, it's just to me she came off more like a villain than an ally like Eusine.

I saw her as this character who was initially supposed to be the bad ass mystery trainer you need to hate, but later learn to sympathize with once you learn her history. Similar to Archie, Maxie, Silver, etc. Just the difference is her development happened to the span of 5 minutes, rather than the entire game like the others, so I guess I see why some people aren't seeing this the same way as me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:18:58 No.29602268 Report

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>>29599162
Anon, if you're suicidal you can just tell us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:23:13 No.29602350 Report

Quoted By: >>29602612

>>29602200
Yes, but you're arguing is that we need to take all the additions or none of them. Some things can be unnecessary but add to the game for people, while others can be unnecessary and take away from it for them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:25:52 No.29602378 Report

Quoted By: >>29602612

>>29602200
>To Game Freak, who is the deciding factor, she was necessary, hence she was in the games to fulfill the various roles she does.
But nobody was talking about what John Gamefreak ended up going with. What's being discussed is whether or not what they went with was necessary after the fact.

>The game could've done without Aarune with Secret Contests, Lisia with Contests, modifying all the evil team admins, soaring in the sky, Dexnav, primal evolution, etc.
These non-plot relevant items would be considered technically unnecessary like Zinnia, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:30:14 No.29602454 Report

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Eusine isn't female and doesn't interrupt the story too much so that instantly makes him better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:36:26 No.29602612 Report

Quoted By: >>29602875 >>29603075

>>29602350
And from there you can see it's subjective about what you decide to accept, so unnecessary isn't a real criticism.

>>29602378
Necessary after the fact doesn't matter for the above reason.

If you consider those technically unnecessary, that brings me to my next point of saying Eusine is technically unnecessary too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:37:36 No.29602636 Report

Quoted By: >>29603075 >>29604152

Colress>Eusine

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:44:16 No.29602788 Report

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>>29602170
suicune was the box legendary of crystal, yet Eusine didn't feel overbearing in its story

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:45:09 No.29602801 Report

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My grip with Eusine is that there someone else willing to put effort into capturing a legendary and fuck before I do.

Zinnia is just autistic for living in the cave too long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:48:22 No.29602875 Report

Quoted By: >>29603271

>>29602612
>Eusine is technically unnecessary too.
Yes. I'm not sure what led you to believe I would disagree with this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 01:58:05 No.29603075 Report

Quoted By: >>29603271

>>29602636
obviously

>>29602612
How can it not be considered a real critisism because it is subjective?

You're trying to boil this down to an argument so abstract that it doesnt resemble the real argument anymore. The whole point was that she was inserted in the plot in a way Eusine was not, and that the way it was not being good. All you really had to do was disagree that it was a bad way of inserting her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:02:28 No.29603167 Report

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>>29598759
>>29598975
>>29599080
>>29599206
>>29599408
>>29599729
These people get it!

>>29599581
>OH SHIT A GRAMMAR ERROR THAT WAS PROBABLY A TYPO! OP BTFO!!!1!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:03:38 No.29603187 Report

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>>29599065
dfyfr hjh jm

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:06:58 No.29603262 Report

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>>29598759
U forgot
>Potentially caused the destruction of own world

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:07:00 No.29603263 Report

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>>29600434
>someone complains about the normal native usage of the person pointing that out in order to defend them
>using technically improper grammar is okay because it's """"native"""" usage, but a very common typo that even most native English speakers have made? clearly proof of brain problems

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:07:28 No.29603271 Report

Quoted By: >>29603457 >>29603636

>>29602875
The main point of the discussion being had where we can overlook Eusine as acceptable and Zinnia as not.

>>29603075
Because you said it yourself by relying on the word "good". OP is trying to base his subjective opinion that Eusine is better on a picture that attempts to present itself as objective by citing elements of the characters yet it clearly displays a bias against Zinnia. You may not like Zinnia as an addition to ORAS, but there's no objective basis for it, is what I'm getting at.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:09:08 No.29603297 Report

Quoted By: >>29603603

I didn't even know Eusine existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:17:43 No.29603457 Report

Quoted By: >>29603639

>>29603271
The picture is not trying to be objective, it's just presenting arguments on why I preferred the execution of Eusine. I dont know if /vp/ is spoiled into thinking everyone counts thier opinion as fact.

You're free to think she's a fine addition to the games, even if I disagree with you as I dislike her in pretty much every way. I dont need to include a disclamer of (in my opinion) after every use of the word good for it to be clear this is my opinion. (I am OP)

Also, the main point of discussion was that Zinnia was placed in the main plot in a way Eusine wasnt. This has gone so far off the discussion is another thing entirely, apparently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:25:17 No.29603603 Report

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>>29603297
Did you not play Crystal or HGSS? If so I feel sorry for you not experiencing his great theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1WgYVFgvN8

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:26:27 No.29603636 Report

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>>29603271
But that's not what we were discussing. We're just discussing the necessity of Zinnia.

We have Emerald as a basis for what it was like for Fug to appear without Zinnia existing. They could've done the same thing, but you only get possession of Groudon or Kyogre depending on game (because sales).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:26:29 No.29603637 Report

Quoted By: >>29603679 >>29603925

>>29598759
>all this hate for Zinnia
>People will love her again after the "Z Episode" in S/M

why bother

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:26:40 No.29603639 Report

Quoted By: >>29603925

>>29603457
Alright, that's fine, my quarrel is over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:27:16 No.29603647 Report

Quoted By: >>29603800 >>29603854 >>29603925

>>29598759
Sun+Moon postgame will resolve unanswered questions around Zinnia and make her more likable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:28:53 No.29603679 Report

Quoted By: >>29603703 >>29603753

>>29603637
>love her again
>again

People never loved her in the first place. The only way opinion on her would improve would be if she underwent significant character development between XY and SM. Hopefully she doesn't appear at all, like how Generations completely cut her out of the episode dealing with Rayquaza.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:29:55 No.29603703 Report

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>>29603679
*between ORAS and SM

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:32:06 No.29603738 Report

Quoted By: >>29603925

>>29598759
Eusine looks stupid tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:32:52 No.29603753 Report

Quoted By: >>29603804 >>29603925

>>29603679
there was some love for her when ORAS released, and then /vp/ just became an anti-Zinnia circlejerk after they realized she was a literal mary sue character.

I'm not saying i liked her, but don't say no one on /vp/ ever liked her. and i don;t think gamefreak would add a new plot-heavy character just for the remake games, she will probably be the new postgame character since Looker is forgettable by most people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:35:23 No.29603800 Report

Quoted By: >>29603850

>>29603647
horse shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:35:28 No.29603804 Report

Quoted By: >>29603847 >>29603919 >>29604158

>>29603753
She isnt coming back, she is utterly despised in Japan apparently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:37:46 No.29603847 Report

Quoted By: >>29603936

>>29603804
I've seen this mentioned a lot, any particular reason she's so disliked in Japan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:37:52 No.29603850 Report

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>>29603800
She mellows out and becomes a bare footed beach bum who gives your trainer daily masages while apologizing to the person playing the game for beking so awful.

Trust me, my dad is the blacksmith at Gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:38:02 No.29603854 Report

Quoted By: >>29603919 >>29604158

>>29603647
That would ruin the post-game. Don't jinx us, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:41:52 No.29603919 Report

Quoted By: >>29604158 >>29604250

>>29603804
>>29603854
>Zinnia and Aster are types of flowers
>Delta episode took place around outer space
>Z Moves
>Zygarde Forms in S/M
She's here to stay, and will probably be in D/P remakes as well. accept it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:42:04 No.29603925 Report

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>>29603639
Yeah my dude/dudette, I hate the whole """objectively""" thing /vp/ does as well. Though you probably should have known that it wasnt trying to be objective due to the thread having a discussion rather than a shitposty argument

>>29603738
Objectively wrong

>>29603637
>>29603647
Let's not shit up SM with another Zinnia story.

>>29603753
Hell, a few people still like her. Though I do think they would add a new plot heavy character just for ORAS. There is a tonne of plot in the Ruins of Alph Arceus event but it stayed in HGSS

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:42:34 No.29603936 Report

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>>29603847

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:55:03 No.29604152 Report

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>>29602636
>HOWEVER
>I agree

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:55:12 No.29604158 Report

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>>29603804
>>29603854
>>29603919
Zinnia denialfags about to get BTFO

>>29603304

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:59:16 No.29604239 Report

Quoted By: >>29604314

>>29598759
>Battles you at the last second, to see how good you are, though Rayquaza has already chosen you instead of her, with Rayquaza on your team
But that's wrong. She battles you first at the beginning of the Delta Episode, in Granite Cave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 02:59:59 No.29604250 Report

Quoted By: >>29604275

>>29603919
Isnt the flower naming convention something they've done for years?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 03:00:59 No.29604275 Report

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>>29604250
its mostly notable in XY>ORAS>SM

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 03:03:24 No.29604314 Report

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>>29604239
I literally completely forgot that. Thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 03:09:17 No.29604436 Report

Quoted By: >>29605316

In my opinion, Eusine is way more annoying and useless than Zinnia because he keeps interrupting you with his fucking Suicune while you're just minding your own business.
Zinnia is actually relevant to the plot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 03:58:19 No.29605316 Report

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>>29604436
He interrupts you briefly a few times. That's no where near as bad as Zinnia, who is like cancer in the Delta episode. Her being forced into the plot is exactly what ruins it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 04:00:10 No.29605350 Report

Quoted By: >>29606301

>>29598759
You're basically trying to make up for Eusine's character, or rather his lack of character, to make him look like he was of any importance in Crystal or HGSS

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 04:04:18 No.29605412 Report

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>>29598854
He will always be that Suicunefag for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 04:56:28 No.29606301 Report

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>>29605350
He didn't have to be important though. Not every plot needs to be the most important thing in the region

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>>29599408
And this is why they should have made Emerald. What were they thinking?

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