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Will this form finally do Ninetales and the Ice type justice?

Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 10:59:43 No.29609611 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29610114 >>29614173 >>29615970 >>29616012

Hidden Ability: Magic Guard
HP: 75
Atk: 55
Def: 80
SpA: 112
Spd: 90
Spe: 113
BST: 515 (+15)

Neutering its basically useless attack stat felt necessary and this Ninetales does look less like its inclined towards physical attacks but slightly fluffier so marginally buffed in physical defense.

I anticipate a minor stat boost to alolan formes so I've been conservative at +15 BST.

Though I love its typing and design I admit the Fairy subtype is kind of arbitrary. Anyhow this looks like it could be fast and a good special attacker. Could we have an actually effective Ice type here, akin to a special based Weavile but not quite so fast?

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 11:04:30 No.29609647 Report

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Shiny is also a cute.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 11:18:56 No.29609735 Report

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Learnset includes: Magic Coat, Moonblast, Barrier, Mirror Coat, Draining Kiss, Baby Doll Eyes , Misty Terrain, Ice Shard, Aurora Veil (I'm hoping this is gamefreak FINALLY doing something potentially positive for Ice type pokemon, i.e. I am hoping it is exclusive to Ice types), Heal Block, Extrasensory, Energy Ball (Like regular Ninetales), Safeguard, Calm Mind, Psycho Shift

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 11:53:39 No.29609987 Report

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>No one wants to talk about glorious magic arctic fox :(

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 12:06:02 No.29610114 Report

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>>29609611
I don't think Alolan forms will have a Stat boost as that would make them severely out class the normal forms we know.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 12:39:50 No.29610363 Report

Quoted By: >>29610384 >>29610690

>>29610114
>then what is the point in more shitmons like Raticate and Persian and sadly Ninetales, anon?

Unless they really min max the stats which gamefreak have done in the past with like, Mega Beedril and Mega Pidgeot, then I don't see how shuffling about awful BST will really do much. Because of this they may well even buff the regular mon too.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 12:43:10 No.29610384 Report

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>>29610363
New typing, abilities, moves, and possibly swapped stats how does that not already breathe new life into them? The point is to change them up but not make the original form outclassed otherwise there would be no point to use them over the original, they also didn't become stronger by living in a new region they just adapted.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 12:48:20 No.29610425 Report

Quoted By: >>29611193 >>29611201

Weavile is already the mon that did the Ice type justice. It showed that Ice isn't shit once it's on s Pokémon that can actually fucking use it offensively.

I doubt Ninetales will be amazing, not because of the 4x weakness but because Ice/Fairy don't really do anything for each other. If it keeps base 100 Speed or gets more or should be decent.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 13:13:39 No.29610690 Report

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>>29610363
The point is to make them new and fresh again, not to ensure that they're more competitively viable. I could see a bst shuffle, but I doubt Alolan forms will have higher bsts than the originals. They aren't upgrades, they're just sub-species.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 13:44:40 No.29611038 Report

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HA: Dazzling

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 13:47:02 No.29611072 Report

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>>29610384
Its not necessarily about them 'becoming stronger' anon it is that gen 1 BSTs suffer terribly from power creep.

If anything I'm expecting min maxing shenanigans.

On the other hand too anon, yes they shouldn't outright outclass their counterpart but expecting something like Alolan Raticate to just be as shit as the regular one is pointless, if anything variants like Muk outright just make it better because it has an even better defensive typing and now secondary STAB options with Sucker Punch, Crunch and the like.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 13:52:13 No.29611134 Report

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>>29611072
Minmaxing will more or less be necessary to make them any great, although I believe some of them may change roles. If a formerly physical attacker becomes special focused, or a formerly defensive Pokemon becomes fast and frail, it would prevent them from occupying the same niche, which means the Alolan would not outclass the common form outright.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 13:52:19 No.29611138 Report

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>>29610690
Which is why I mentioned that the base species might receive the same boost to their BST.

Trying to reaarange the BST of something like Sandslash where it is already low makes it very tricky without just making its SpA like 10.

Certain ones like Exeggutor with a decent BST could probably simply swap like atk and spA but how can you increase Sandslash's potential attack and defense enough to be worth the effort without minimizing say its speed and spA.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 13:55:22 No.29611181 Report

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Reminder that its HA will be Snow Warning and there's nothing you can do about it.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 13:55:25 No.29611182 Report

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>>29611134
This is what looks to be the case with Exeggutor where its spA and atk are probably swapped and potentially with Golem. But what of the likes of Sandslash and Ninetales where it looks like their stats will probably be very similar? Making them Ice types with their BSTs just seems doomed to fail.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 13:56:29 No.29611193 Report

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>>29611181
Forgot about this. Even better.>>29610425

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 13:57:33 No.29611201 Report

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>>29610425
I kind of meant more Special Attacking Ice types. I Should have been more specific.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 14:03:22 No.29611261 Report

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>>29611182
Snowslash looks like its going to be slower, which is obviously already a problem.
They might turn it into a mixed wall or mixed attacker rather than physically focused, or just surprise us with a specially-defensive/physically-offensive combo with an ironically frail physical defense for a Steel-type.
I do hope most of the Pokemon with Alolan forms get a +10 BST, for both common and Alolan. It would also give GF just a little bit more to work with without having to totally minmax shit.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 14:21:54 No.29611468 Report

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>>29611038
This would save it.
It'll probably get Snow Warning though.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 14:25:35 No.29611516 Report

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>>29611468
I honestly hope the Alola Forms don't just get reskinned abilities for HAs.
Alolan Muk at least has to get something different, since Poison Touch is just its regular ability. If it's Poison Point I'm gonna be mad as hell

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 14:58:29 No.29611916 Report

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>>29611516
Watch it be Poison Point anon

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 14:58:46 No.29611919 Report

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>>29611916

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 16:26:38 No.29613072 Report

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>>29610114
People already did some calcs with Alolan Raticate and apparently it got an increase in HP, so it shouldn't be suprising if we see their BS rearranged a little.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 17:05:57 No.29613619 Report

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>>29613072
the HP increased but another stat probably decreased as well

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 17:43:20 No.29614136 Report

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>>29613619
Lol sl what is the freakibf point? Unless they've reduced its spA to 1.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 17:45:49 No.29614173 Report

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>>29609611
>Aron used Iron Head!
>Klink used Gear Grind!
>Mega Metagross used Heavy Slam!

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 17:48:40 No.29614216 Report

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>>29611261
In any case it doesn't really have the raw stat total to do any of these roles well. This is what I mean about stat increases, its pretty much necessary to not make the form utterly pointless and unusable

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 19:49:25 No.29615941 Report

Quoted By: >>29616175

Sandslash
HP: 75
Attack: 100
Defense: 110
Sp. Atk: 45
Sp. Def: 55
Speed: 65

Alolan Sandslash

HP: 75
Attack: 105
Defense: 120
Sp. Atk: 30
Sp. Def: 75
Speed: 45

This is what I envision if it has the same bst as Sandslash. Not much really changes. Unless it gets the possible hail variant of chlorophyl its just another slow bulky ice type to get obliterated.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 19:51:22 No.29615970 Report

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>>29609611
>scissor used metal punch!

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 19:54:24 No.29616012 Report

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>>29609611
I want it to have an anti priority ability just so my mono ice team can do something better about bullet punch

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Anonymous Wed 02 Nov 2016 20:06:17 No.29616175 Report

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>>29615941
I'd so much prefer Frosty Terrain over fucking Hail. I don't want to make my team primarily Ice/Psychic to avoid self-damage.
Considering they went the easy route on the Tapu Terrains, I don't think we'll be getting any more of those this generation. That, and we already have the shittiest weather for Ice, and I don't expect Terrain/Weather combos for the same type.

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