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Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:18:13 No.29719145 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29719190 >>29719520 >>29719540 >>29719614 >>29719870 >>29719996 >>29720082 >>29721730 >>29722826

>GF should add a Sound type for all the moves that interact with Soundproof
By that logic they should also add a Bullet type for all the moves that interact with Bulletproof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:19:50 No.29719190 Report

Quoted By: >>29719564

>>29719145
Sound can be interpreted as an element or force of nature.
Bullets are not.
/Thread this for me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:33:23 No.29719520 Report

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>>29719145
>sound is mostly normal which fairy showed they're ok with stealing
>bullet is spread throughout a bunch of types

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:34:37 No.29719540 Report

Quoted By: >>29720511

>>29719145
Don't forget Powder type, Bite type, Pulse type and Punch type then

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:35:32 No.29719564 Report

Quoted By: >>29719612 >>29719944

>>29719190
>fighting is an element or force of nature
>poison is an element or force of nature
>bug is an element or force of nature

top kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:36:17 No.29719589 Report

Quoted By: >>29719610 >>29719918 >>29720060 >>29724168

The issue with a sound type is that you strip normal of most of it's special attacks, and you also create a type that is entirely special with no reasonable way to make a physical move for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:37:12 No.29719610 Report

Quoted By: >>29722989

>>29719589
Make it Rhythm type and include dancing attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:37:18 No.29719612 Report

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>>29719564
You're only validating why it should be a type more
If they can be types, then why can't Sound or even the Bullet type for that matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:37:23 No.29719614 Report

Quoted By: >>29719717 >>29720564 >>29720779 >>29721825

>>29719145

Sound type would strip Mega Gardevoir, Sylveon, and Aurorus of their best attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:41:48 No.29719717 Report

Quoted By: >>29719844

>>29719614
You say that like it's an issue.
They nerfed an entire type just to handle one Pokemon.
They added an entire feature to fuck over on Pokemon.
They added an entire type to handle 3 threats.
This isn't a problem at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:46:44 No.29719844 Report

Quoted By: >>29719875

>>29719717
Mind elaborating on the first two points?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:48:06 No.29719870 Report

Quoted By: >>29720742

>>29719145
And there are multiple pokemon that could easily be Sound type, Exploud, Chatot, Kricketune, Mr. Mime, Chimecho, Bronzong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:48:18 No.29719875 Report

Quoted By: >>29720000

>>29719844
Aegislash and Zoroark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:49:08 No.29719890 Report

Quoted By: >>29720511

They should instead have Crushing/Piercing/Slashing/Sonic/Ethereal sub-typing for moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:50:31 No.29719918 Report

Quoted By: >>29720060 >>29720176

>>29719589
Yeah, this is always the issue that comes up.

As of Gen VI, Normal has 66 Physical moves and 19 Special moves, but 7 of those special moves would become Sound type:
Boomburst, Echoed Voice, Hyper Voice, Relic Song, Round, Snore, Uproar

Only 12 special moves would remain Normal type:
Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Judgment, Razor Wind, Sonic Boom, Spit Up, Swift, Techno Blast, Tri Attack, Trump Card, Wring Out, Weather Ball

Of those Judgment and Techno Blast are exclusive to Arceus and Genesect; Sonic Boom does set damage (and might become Sound also), while Hidden Power isn't really a Normal move, leaving us with only 8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:51:31 No.29719944 Report

Quoted By: >>29722661 >>29722923

>>29719564
Are you saying those aren't? Being a force of nature literally just means it is natural and not synthetic. Bullets are a human invention, which we often validate as unnatural. Poison and Fighting exist in the natural world you know.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:53:40 No.29719996 Report

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>>29719145
There are also several Pokémon whose primary method of attack Lore-wise comes from sound. At least the Exploud, Chimecho, Noivern, Pyroar and Chatot lines could be retconned like they did with fairy. Hell, the Jigglypuff line retained the normal typing so it could still have stab on "Sound" moves. Speaking of which, Fairy type was an egg group long before it was a proper type. The only other such pre-existing non-type is Sound. In conclusion, kys, or prepare to when Sound is made the next type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:53:50 No.29720000 Report

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>>29719875

Team Preview has been around since Pokemon Stadium, it has nothing to do with Zoroark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:55:51 No.29720060 Report

Quoted By: >>29720256

>>29719589
>>29719918
But none of that actually sounds like an issue considering Normal still would have more of the essentials than any other type. Tri-Attack is a fine move and Hyper Voice was used much more often on non-normal types due to pixilate and aerilate. Swift, Tri-Attack, Wring-Out and Hyper Beam are more than some types like Rock gets, like Ancient Power, Power Gem and

no wait that's actually all they have.
How many specially offensive normal types are there even that would want to use normal moves? Porygon-Z and Togekiss were both doing fine not running hyper voice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:56:40 No.29720082 Report

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>>29719145
Sound would be a good type because there are moves that directly correlate to sound waves and also uniquely have a property that they cannot be blocked by substitute. They also have Pokemon, like Jigglypuff and Exploud who use sound as a core defining characteristic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 21:59:37 No.29720176 Report

Quoted By: >>29720284 >>29720425

>>29719918
Of those 8, the list gets smaller. Razor Wind, Trump Card and Spit up are unusable trash and Weather Ball is never used for it's Normal part. Bringing it down to Hyper Beam, Swift, Tri Attack, and Wring Out. Hyper Beam is a gimmick, Swift is too weak to be worth a damn, and Tri Attack has a tiny distribution. Wring out is legitimately the only one worth a damn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 22:02:12 No.29720256 Report

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>>29720060
Rock is such a piss poorly designed type to begin with. They obviously want it to be defensive but it's got weaknesses out the ass, it has no physical move with 100% and it's special moves are scarce and trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 22:03:06 No.29720284 Report

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>>29720176
Tri-Attack having a tiny distribution doesn't make it not worth running if more pokemon end up getting it. Swift is decent on technician. Wring-Out has even worse distribution than tri-attack. It wouldn't be hard to just make more like how fairy got a bunch of moves last gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 22:09:21 No.29720425 Report

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>>29720176
Don't you think if GF would have added the Sound type, they would, in the same gen, introduce new specially based normal type move with good usability and good distribution?
>inb4 GF doesn't know what they are doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 22:12:09 No.29720511 Report

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>>29719540
>>29719890
kinda like Final Fantasy 7's physical elements:
>Cut - Used to describe an attack that uses an edged weapon.
>Hit - Used to describe an attack that uses a blunt weapon.
>Punch - Used to describe an attack that uses a piercing weapon.
>Shoot - Used to describe attacks that use projectile weapons.
>Shout - Used to describe attacks that are sonic or energy-based in nature.
>Hidden - Unknown. Very few attacks have this element. Any that do can be protected against by linking any non-Element Materia with the Elemental Materia in a character's armour.

Slashing, Hitting/Crushing, Punching (fists), Piercing and Biting can be variants of Physical.
Sound and Pulse and Beams can be Special.
Powder is status.
Bullet can be either.
Weather and Terrain are their own categories.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 22:14:02 No.29720564 Report

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>>29719614
Game freak doesn't care about how you make your teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 22:15:33 No.29720609 Report

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Why can't we just have a group of moves that do something special?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 22:21:36 No.29720742 Report

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>>29719870
>Mimes
>sounds

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 22:23:18 No.29720779 Report

Quoted By: >>29720822

>>29719614
Gardevoir and Sylveon can just use Moonblast. Aurorus is utter shit anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 22:25:37 No.29720822 Report

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>>29720779
>Gardevoir and Sylveon can just use Moonblast

No they can't, Moonblast is much weaker than Pixilate Hyper Voice and doesn't go through subs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 22:58:16 No.29721674 Report

Quoted By: >>29721724

>grasswhistle gets a type change
>metal sound gets a type change
>noivern loses dragon typing
>only one type to bypass subs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:00:18 No.29721724 Report

Quoted By: >>29721772 >>29721809

>>29721674
Are you retarded? GRASSwhistle and METALsound would keep their typings. And Noivern obviously wouldn't lose its dragon typing it would be a Sound/Dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:00:27 No.29721730 Report

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>>29719145
almost all sound moves are normal type. Exactly like Dark and Fairy moves introduced before the types.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:01:54 No.29721763 Report

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Sound is just an aspect of Normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:02:15 No.29721772 Report

Quoted By: >>29721801

>>29721724
just like ROCKsmash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:03:22 No.29721801 Report

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>>29721772
That's been a fighting type move since the beginning though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:03:37 No.29721809 Report

Quoted By: >>29721831 >>29722007

>>29721724
Flying is the primary type, and therefore, isn't going to change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:04:16 No.29721825 Report

Quoted By: >>29721868

>>29719614
Then make pixalate work with sound type instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:04:27 No.29721831 Report

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>>29721809
It's name is literally noise and wyvern combined

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:05:46 No.29721868 Report

Quoted By: >>29721927

>>29721825
How many exceptions are you planning to make to get this to work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:08:43 No.29721927 Report

Quoted By: >>29722120

>>29721868
Hyper voice is literally the only use for -late abilities.
No reason for it to not work with sound.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:12:17 No.29722007 Report

Quoted By: >>29722081

>>29721809
That's completely stupid. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PRIMARY TYPE IN POKEMON. The order in which types appear is ENTIRELY CONVENTIONNAL and has no effect whatsoever on the game as well as on its design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:14:30 No.29722081 Report

Quoted By: >>29722137

>>29722007
>has no effect whatsoever on the game as well as on its design.
Pokémon tend to reflect their primary typing more strongly than their secondary typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:15:33 No.29722120 Report

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>>29721927
Yep. Pinsir sure does lay down the hurt with its Aerilate Hyper Voice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:15:56 No.29722137 Report

Quoted By: >>29722578 >>29722916

>>29722081
Total bullshit
And even if its wasn't, it would be completely subjective; like, your autistic interpretation, or rather, your autistic invention of non-necessary patterns in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:33:41 No.29722578 Report

Quoted By: >>29722638

>>29722137
If you have to resort to words like 'autistic' to get your point across, then you're admitting defeat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:36:18 No.29722638 Report

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>>29722578
Certainly not, haha
I'm just showing how much I disdain this particular opinion

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:37:06 No.29722661 Report

Quoted By: >>29722765

>>29719944
steel is a human invention

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:41:02 No.29722765 Report

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>>29722661
The "steel" type is not literally steel, it covers all different kinds of metal, or at least the classic ones, including iron, which certainly isn't a human invention
In fact, we could even say that the metals that steel pokemons are made of certainly doesn't correspond to any real world metal

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Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:43:33 No.29722826 Report

Quoted By: >>29722900 >>29722937

>>29719145
>Water/Bullet type

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:45:55 No.29722877 Report

Quoted By: >>29722894

I don't want sound, but it makes more sense than fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:46:33 No.29722894 Report

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>>29722877
Dubs confirms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:47:02 No.29722900 Report

Quoted By: >>29722957

>>29722826
Would Tortank become Bullet type then?
If not, Bullet type definitely shouldn't exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:47:46 No.29722916 Report

Quoted By: >>29723041

>>29722137
If the order of typings had no influence at all, then why did it take til Gen V to get a monotype flying, and Gen VI to get a primary dual type flyer?

Gamefreak could have given literally any other Pokemon Flying type first

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:47:54 No.29722923 Report

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>>29719944
>Martial Arts, a literal human invention, exists in the natural world

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:48:17 No.29722937 Report

Quoted By: >>29722957

>>29722826
Would Blastoise become Bullet type then?
If not, Bullet type definitely shouldn't exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:49:08 No.29722957 Report

Quoted By:

>>29722937
You're not escaping this. >>29722900

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:50:28 No.29722989 Report

Quoted By:

>>29719610
meloetta will get retyped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2016 23:52:56 No.29723041 Report

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>>29722916
>why did it take til Gen V to get a monotype flying
because literally all previous flying types also had other types? I really don't see the problem here

>why did it take til Gen VI to get a primary dual type flyer
there is no need for a reason since it literally doesn't matter at all
GF could literally have used dice to decide which type is the first displayed in the pokédex, it wouldn't have changed anything

Also, please, PLEASE, stop using this idiotic expression of "primary type" as if this concept existed in the game; a type cannot be primary or secundary, literally nowhere in the games do these terms appear, they are wholly your inventions and they certainly aren't technical language

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 00:27:11 No.29724168 Report

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>>29719589
Normal special attacks could just be called Pulse, Beam, and Blast.

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