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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 00:54:53 No.29725348 View View Reply Original Report

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>85/105/80/105/105/65
Is this the most nonsensical stat distribution in relation to design? Seriously, what were they thinking? Which fucking employee at GF looked at Decidueye's design and thought "I think its worst stat should be speed." and which fucking employees agreed with him? THERE IS NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR THIS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 00:56:34 No.29725420 Report

Quoted By: >>29725514

>sniper with fucking tree trunks for legs and death grip root claws
>being fast

the only reason to expect it to be fast is its dex blurb and imagine actually trusting the dex

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 00:56:37 No.29725425 Report

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>>29725348
Gen 5 tier stat distribution desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 00:58:21 No.29725514 Report

Quoted By: >>29728973 >>29731938

>>29725420
You don't much about combat archery do you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 00:58:36 No.29725530 Report

Quoted By: >>29727391 >>29729342 >>29733393

>>29725348
Please, this thing looks like it'll be great in VGC. Unique typing, equal offenses defences, pair it up with trick room and it'll be pretty based, I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 00:58:48 No.29725542 Report

Quoted By: >>29725770 >>29732292

>>29725348
I didn't know archers, you know, the stealthy and mostly stationary people, were supposed to be Olympic runners.

You're a moron OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 00:59:45 No.29725584 Report

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God shut the fuck up already

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 01:04:35 No.29725770 Report

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>>29725542
Archers actually are meant to be fast. Only in modern archery has the typical archer just stood in place and firing at targets. And even in historical art work and prints shows that Archers of the past used everything they could to be fast as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 01:37:59 No.29727276 Report

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im gonna be shocked if it doesnt get shadow sneak at some point because it was great stab on aegislash in xy vgc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 01:38:47 No.29727304 Report

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>>29725348
it's close, but not a single one of those is correct

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 01:40:48 No.29727391 Report

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>>29725530
>grass/ghost
>just BARELY slow enough to work in trick room, but will be outsped by staple trickroom mons in the 17 meta like PG2
>neither of its offenses are particularly good
>one hundred and five stats wasted in sdef

Without a good HA it will be a slightly better trevenant at best and that's only because of his signature move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 01:41:32 No.29727430 Report

Quoted By: >>29728164

Hopefully it gets stakeout as a HA

>Spirit Shackle
>Sucker punch/shadow sneak if it has that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 01:57:49 No.29728164 Report

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>>29727430
It gets sucker punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 01:59:51 No.29728251 Report

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>>29728164
I know that, the uncertainty is on Shadow Snacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:15:22 No.29728799 Report

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>>29725348
Decidueye is going to be the worst starter this Gen and there is nothing you can do about it. Get fucked owlfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:20:20 No.29728973 Report

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>>29725514

Do you? Or did you just watch the video of the trick archer guy and think that's how archery in combat actually works?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:21:33 No.29729003 Report

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>>29725770

I seriously doubt they ran and shot at the same time.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:26:34 No.29729149 Report

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>>29725348
>being surprised and mad that the worst starter in existence is just that

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:31:07 No.29729282 Report

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>>29725770

Also, I'm sure you recall the type of archery in the Robin Hood stories. Standing still shooting at targets is a plot point.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:34:23 No.29729342 Report

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>>29725530

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:43:07 No.29729578 Report

Quoted By: >>29729618 >>29729888 >>29731272 >>29731878

>>29725348
1.) the numbers aren't final yet. The HP stat is projected to be 90+, anything below 90 is not really correct.
2.) It has a ~90/80/105 defensive spread. That is fucking incredible. On top of the fact that it has a great defensive typing, having TWO immunities, and key resistances to water, electric, AND ground.
3.) You ADHD OFFENSE ONLY kiddies really need to calm down. Deci has great defensive spread, and with toxic/will o wisp in combination with shackle, this thing will be a stall killer while being a stall monster itself. ESPECIALLY if it gets roost.
4.) Fuck you, you fucking retard, try thinking outside of HIT FAST AND HARD for once in your life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:44:41 No.29729618 Report

Quoted By: >>29735061

>>29729578
It's weak to Fire, Ice, Dark, Ghost, and Flying. That really does not help it defensively at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:51:13 No.29729815 Report

Quoted By: >>29729886

Players: "Rowlet is Grass/Flying. Dartrix is Grass/Flying. Rowlet3 is definitely Grass/Flying."

Game Freak: "Nope, Grass/Ghost."

Players: "Well, Rowlet3 has to be really fast because it appears to be an archer and archers usually have high speed stats in RPGs."

Game Freak: "Sorry, it has base 65 speed. It's almost as slow as Chesnaught."

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:53:12 No.29729886 Report

Quoted By: >>29730500

>>29729815
>and archers usually have high speed stats in RPGs.
Are there still people that fall for the D&D archer meme?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:53:17 No.29729888 Report

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>>29729578
I just don't have faith.

Primarina fills the bulky special offense/support thing. Incineroar is the pure offense one. Where is this supposed to fit in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:54:45 No.29729940 Report

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>>29725770
>Archers of the past used everything they could to be fast as possible.
m8, the Mongols were famous for even being able to shoot from horseback.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:06:29 No.29730308 Report

Quoted By: >>29730452 >>29730480 >>29730503

So... we don't know it's HA (which propelled Greninja, Serperior, etc into higher tiers) or its movepool, and people are already claiming that Decidueye's gonna be trash? We also know that it'll deal decent damage at the least from either the physical or special side, be able to survive hits adequately with the correct investments and has access to at least one priority move.

Is this shitposting because 'obnoxious owlfags btfo ebin vp meme xDD musclecat FTW' or are people not familiar with paper versus practice? Or, my personal favorite, trendy cynicism?

Color me interested. I was expecting Greninja/Infernape v2.0, but it's obviously meant to fit a different niche other than HIT HARD AND FAST.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:08:46 No.29730378 Report

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>>29725348
I miss Dating A Team Magma Grunt so much

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:10:57 No.29730444 Report

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Don't really care about it's stats desu, the owl is the only visually appealing starter so it's going to get picked even if I just drop it for something better later.

Would pick Litten if it didn't turn into bara fapbait

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:11:16 No.29730452 Report

Quoted By: >>29730615

>>29730308
It has a good chance if hitting RU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:12:14 No.29730480 Report

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>>29730308
Because its stats will probably be like a Mew clone's, but with shit speed. A good HA could save it, but I can't see it being great without it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:12:53 No.29730500 Report

Quoted By: >>29730657 >>29730682

>>29729886
Rangers in DnD aren't even that fast, anon.
In 5e only one of their subclasses can dash without sacrificing their attacks for a round.
Rogues get Bonus action dash, which means they can double their speed and still stab someone.
Monks also get this and their land speed increases as they level up.
Barbarians straight up get speed increases too.
Hell, a Fighter with a bow is more mobile than a ranger.
Ranger is good at hiding and sniping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:12:59 No.29730503 Report

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>>29730308
priority? the arrow gives priority?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:16:49 No.29730615 Report

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>>29730452
Good. Ubers and OU get boring really fast with the same generic setups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:18:22 No.29730657 Report

Quoted By: >>29730953 >>29731004

>>29730500
A lot of people assume that DEX = SPEEEEED

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:19:11 No.29730682 Report

Quoted By: >>29730953 >>29731812

>>29730500
>5e
There's your problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:29:02 No.29730953 Report

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>>29730657
Dex would = Attack as far as rangers are concerned.
And even then rangers aren't really that great without setup.

>>29730682
I bet you love sucking wizard dick in pathfinder.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:30:45 No.29731004 Report

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>>29730657
A lot of people also assume that DEX > STR.

They're not necessarily completely wrong, but still.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:38:59 No.29731272 Report

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>>29729578
offense is the only thing that matters when the metagame revolves around 2hkoing everything, and plenty of pokemon have the tools to do that to this sack of shit
instant UU, only slightly better than the old grass/ghosts nobody uses

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:57:44 No.29731812 Report

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>>29730682
5e or not the DnD classes that traditionally go fast are monks and barbarians. 5e's kind of weird in it throws rogues into the mix

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 03:59:15 No.29731858 Report

Quoted By: >>29731886 >>29731919 >>29731995

I can deal with the speed on it's own.
But who sees an ARCHER and goes, oh yeah, mixed attacker.
Then you combine that with shit speed and even a crazy HA can't help it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:00:11 No.29731878 Report

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>>29729578
>5 (FIVE) ridiculously common weaknesses
>vulnerable to every status and every entry hazard
>great defensive typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:00:36 No.29731886 Report

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>>29731858

D&D Rangers could cast magic spells. So there's that I guess. But I see what you mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:02:03 No.29731919 Report

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>>29731858
I don't get why everything but the speed is average. Let's make an archer as bulky as it is powerful. Like what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:02:48 No.29731938 Report

Quoted By: >>29732329

>>29725514

Archers are a stationary offense line with shit mobility and low dps.

Aiming takes time, asshat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:04:27 No.29731973 Report

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I'm still choosing it, but i'm probably going to end up boxing it and just using other mons post game. yall fucked up GF.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:05:17 No.29731995 Report

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>>29731858
>But who sees an ARCHER and goes, oh yeah, mixed attacker.
Archery is ranged and physical(as opposed to melee and physical, like attacking with fists or rocks, or ranged and special, which is beams and lasers and shit) so it can feasibly be both

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:14:43 No.29732248 Report

Quoted By: >>29732333

Smogon don't matter you brainwashed wankers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:16:49 No.29732292 Report

Quoted By: >>29732329

>>29725542

Archers usually get their attack off before their enemy. Does "Speed" need to be foot speed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:18:48 No.29732329 Report

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>>29732292

See >>29731938

You need to concentrate to hit a moving target.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:19:09 No.29732333 Report

Quoted By: >>29732607

>>29732248
Bad stats matter when it can't manage to stay alive against the AI.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:26:35 No.29732478 Report

Quoted By: >>29732795

>>29725348
>85/105/80/105/105/65
That's still better than Primarina and it's 60 hp

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:32:31 No.29732607 Report

Quoted By: >>29732705

>>29732333
that just means you suck ass cause the games are not hard at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:35:48 No.29732683 Report

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>>29725770
except actual war archers who stood completely still in a column of other archers and fired volleys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:35:58 No.29732688 Report

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>>29725348
He's a ground owl who can't fly, of course he'd be slow as fuck. Honestly I like him more now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:36:45 No.29732705 Report

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>>29732607
Why would I use garbage PU shittermon to get 200 Maison wins
It probably couldn't manage 20.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:37:38 No.29732723 Report

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>>29729003
They did. Even would ride on a horse to shot arrows as well.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:38:50 No.29732748 Report

Quoted By: >>29732819

Is Speedboost his only hope now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:40:38 No.29732795 Report

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>>29732478

We have no info whatsoever on Poppmaid's stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:41:53 No.29732819 Report

Quoted By: >>29732861

>>29732748
>Its HA is an ability that gives non-contact attacking moves +1 priority

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:43:31 No.29732861 Report

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>>29732819

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 04:50:04 No.29732989 Report

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>>29732723

That's a pretty sweeping generalization (the running part, not the horse archery), especially given that the running technique only works with very small recurve bows. As >>29729282 said, based on Robin Hood who used an English long bow. AND youre not running around shooting with one of those fuckers. You stand and stop.

Joe Merrick !iEv2QfmDUg

Joe Merrick !iEv2QfmDUg Tue 08 Nov 2016 05:08:36 No.29733393 Report

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>>29725530
>unique typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 05:11:29 No.29733460 Report

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>>29725348
All they had to do was swap speed and special defense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 06:50:01 No.29735061 Report

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>>29729618
All those are just x1 weaknesses. None of the Tapus are of that typing. And is Knock Off a TM anymore? Not to speak Knock Off is nerfed is Deci is using its Z stone

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