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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:05:26 No.29760782 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29760828 >>29760855 >>29760990 >>29761096 >>29761103 >>29761175 >>29761317 >>29761410 >>29761587 >>29761616 >>29761621 >>29761869 >>29762875 >>29762933 >>29763115 >>29763408 >>29763888 >>29765624

>Gengar raped
>Bravest Bird raped
>Shit starters
Sun & Moon confirmed worst Gen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:06:33 No.29760823 Report

Quoted By: >>29760966 >>29761592

>Gengar raped
>Bravest Bird raped

These are good things

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:06:36 No.29760828 Report

Quoted By: >>29760966

>>29760782
t. Smogonfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:07:22 No.29760855 Report

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>>29760782
you mean best?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:07:31 No.29760859 Report

Quoted By: >>29760907 >>29763090

What happened to Gengar?

Where can I see all these balance changes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:07:56 No.29760877 Report

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nerfing smogonbird was a good thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:08:44 No.29760907 Report

Quoted By: >>29763439

>>29760859
They gave it Cursed Body instead of Levitate. I don't think there is any place you can read only the balance changes though.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:09:20 No.29760925 Report

Quoted By: >>29761809

Wait, is it really a replacing levitate?
It's not a HA?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:09:28 No.29760929 Report

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I fail to see how is that bad apart from shit starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:10:07 No.29760966 Report

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>>29760823
>>29760828
>implying Gengar was ever a problem

Meanwhile genies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:10:58 No.29760990 Report

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>>29760782
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:14:05 No.29761096 Report

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>>29760782
the change for Gengar pains me, but boy am I glad that this annoying bird got nerfed. I'm getting my Lycancroc ready to kill every single one of them. Best Generation since Gen 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:14:13 No.29761103 Report

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>>29760782
>gengar's levitate removed
>mega-gengar never had levitate

>implying that talonflame being nerfed into oblivion is a bad thing
>implying that talonflame would be worth the shit from an ass even with old gale wings with all the abilities and moves they put in that completely cuck priority beyond recognition

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:16:21 No.29761175 Report

Quoted By: >>29761254

>>29760782
What happened to Smogonbird?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:18:13 No.29761254 Report

Quoted By: >>29761280 >>29761411 >>29761483 >>29764258 >>29765173

>>29761175
gale wings only works at full health

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:18:42 No.29761280 Report

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>>29761254
F

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:19:48 No.29761317 Report

Quoted By: >>29761456 >>29761489

>>29760782
Neither of the first two things are bad and the starters are only shit if you're a Smogonfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:21:11 No.29761361 Report

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What's new about bravest bird?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:22:18 No.29761410 Report

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>>29760782
>Poor Quagsire raped
>Ledian still fucked

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:22:22 No.29761411 Report

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>>29761254

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:23:31 No.29761456 Report

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>>29761317
a common argument seems to be already "insert random OU Pokemon not in Alolan Dex" is going to annihilate "insert SM starter".
Good luck with your non Alolan Dex registered Pokemon to play the only metagame that matters to GF and Pokemon, VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:24:21 No.29761483 Report

Quoted By: >>29761903

>>29761254
But why? There's a bunch of abilities that stop priority now.

>whimpods evo has the same ability but worded differently and affects both sides
>vikavolt is slow as fuck
>Starters are pretty decent now at least statwise but everything else is meh

I think I woke up in bizzaro world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:24:28 No.29761489 Report

Quoted By: >>29761562

>>29761317
>the starters are only shit if you're a Smogonfag
They look like shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:25:21 No.29761527 Report

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Shit starters? In what way?

They're going to be great in VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:26:18 No.29761562 Report

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>>29761489

Ebin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:26:54 No.29761587 Report

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>>29760782
Where are you from, op? You spell "best" weird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:26:57 No.29761592 Report

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>>29760823
>gengar
>bad

literal faggot spotted

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:27:36 No.29761616 Report

Quoted By: >>29761758

>>29760782
>Sun & Moon confirmed worst Gen?

>can't save right in front of starter selection and have to watch 3 minute cutscene every soft reset
>can't see the pokemon's sex on the nickname screen
I don't know what they thought.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:27:44 No.29761621 Report

Quoted By: >>29761673

>>29760782
Competitive fags are the cancer killing Pokémon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:29:10 No.29761673 Report

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>>29761621

without the competitive part it's just a child game. Are you a child, anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:30:34 No.29761724 Report

Quoted By: >>29761823 >>29762192

Tell me they raped that fucking piece of shit Excadrill too

I want to see that cuck last night cry salty tears

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:31:18 No.29761758 Report

Quoted By: >>29761812

>>29761616
I think they thought it was funny to watch you degenerates struggle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:32:41 No.29761809 Report

Quoted By: >>29761870

>>29760925
Speaking of which, didn't Arbok for buffed? Like, 50+ atk?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:32:45 No.29761812 Report

Quoted By: >>29761876 >>29763545

>>29761758
I just want a qt grill owl, why must gf make things difficult. Sucks for people that want to SR for a shiny too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:33:05 No.29761823 Report

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>>29761724
http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1478621572299.jpg

Nope. Excadrill is fine. The only "nerf" he got is that we have several new weather setters now, so he can't expect to keep Sandstream the whole time.

Not that it's that big a deal since he has fucking MOLD BREAKER anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:34:15 No.29761869 Report

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>>29760782
Hey now they made some shitmons better

I'm mixed on gengar since 1/3 prominate ground types in Ou already raped it

Bird nerf is nice, but man fuck these starters

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:34:15 No.29761870 Report

Quoted By: >>29762022 >>29762130 >>29762223 >>29762291 >>29762350 >>29762560 >>29762878 >>29763607 >>29763948 >>29765173

>>29761809
+10.

Dugtrio's OU now though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:34:23 No.29761876 Report

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>>29761812
Yeah, everyone is just gonna use pkhex on their hacked 3ds.

It's like they love to punish honest people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:35:05 No.29761903 Report

Quoted By: >>29762019

>>29761483
Whimpod got a bug type Extremespeed that works like Fake Out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:37:49 No.29762019 Report

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>>29761903
Sweet jesus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:37:52 No.29762022 Report

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>>29761870
Don't forget the Stab boost for steel, new ability tangled hair and all the new resistances that come with it.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:40:26 No.29762130 Report

Quoted By: >>29762204

>>29761870
>All these shitmons getting great abilities
>Pelliper can now take full accuracy thunders for free

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:40:50 No.29762150 Report

Quoted By: >>29762300 >>29763393

>>29762022
Uh... no.

Regular Dugtrio is pure Ground, has 100 Atk and Arena Trap. Regular Dugtrio is CERTAINLY going to be OU.

Alolan Dugtrio doesn't have Arena Trap, and his strongest Steel Stab is fucking METAL CLAW.
Alolan Dugtrio will end up in RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:41:47 No.29762192 Report

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>>29761724
If you mean that guy who complained about Dugtrio then sadly you won't see him cry since A-Dugtrio doesn't have Arena Trap either and won't bumfuck fairies like expected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:42:09 No.29762204 Report

Quoted By: >>29762276

>>29762130
Pelliper can now hit with a fully accurate Hurricane.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:42:56 No.29762223 Report

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>>29761870
>Dugtrio with 100 base attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:44:14 No.29762276 Report

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>>29762204
Its stats are still shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:44:30 No.29762291 Report

Quoted By: >>29766513

>>29761870
link to this file?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:44:47 No.29762300 Report

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>>29762150
But I don't wanna use old Pokemon.

Let me dream anon.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:45:55 No.29762350 Report

Quoted By: >>29762700

>>29761870
Damn Swellow can take out the boombox now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:46:04 No.29762355 Report

Quoted By: >>29762437 >>29762482 >>29762557 >>29762700

Well guys, who does Gengar need to fear in the upcoming vgc metagame?
Apart from Alolan Dugtrio and Garchomp, no one is as fast as Gengar or possesses stab, so better calm the fuck down.

Smogon - no fucks given.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:47:57 No.29762437 Report

Quoted By:

>>29762355
Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:48:48 No.29762482 Report

Quoted By:

>>29762355
I of course meant in connection with Levitate being gone.
Apart from that everything stays the same, of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:49:11 No.29762496 Report

Quoted By: >>29766513

LINK TO BUFF/NERF LIST?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:50:34 No.29762557 Report

Quoted By: >>29762657

>>29762355
uhh... Groudon? The premier offensive threat of the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:50:34 No.29762560 Report

Quoted By: >>29763795 >>29763853

>>29761870
Holy Shit, Corsala just shot up to useable tier now that it has some decent defensive stats to work with its great movepool and abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:51:35 No.29762600 Report

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>galewings make completely useless instead of just more balanced
>gengar shat on for no real reason
>unaware shat on for no real reason
>meanwhile mega fug and all those broken megas aside from kang will be left untouched

how can one company fuck up so much?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:53:11 No.29762657 Report

Quoted By: >>29762890

>>29762557
Err, smogonfag detected.
VGC17 won't include Groudon btw, so in terms of matching speed and stab, apart from Garchomp and Alolan Dugtrio Gengar remains equally viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:54:07 No.29762700 Report

Quoted By: >>29762790 >>29762928 >>29762990

>>29762350

Swellow @ Choice Specs
>Boomburst
>Heat Wave
>Air Slash

Not great, but he's appreciative of the boost.

>>29762355
>What does Levitate loss REALLY mean?

He can't switch in as easily anymore, meaning he'll need to come in on resisted hits or after a KO.

He's affected by Spikes and Spider Web now.

He can't afford to stay in against anyone who may have a Ground Move as a damaging attack (Read: 1/3rd of all Physical Attackers), rendering his Sub/Disable set more or less useless.

In VGC specifically, you can no longer throw out Earthquakes with Gengar on your side, and your opponent doesn't need a special coverage move for Gengar anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:56:24 No.29762790 Report

Quoted By: >>29762969 >>29763534

>>29762700
But does MGar at least still have Shadow Tag? Or was that changed to fucking Levitate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:58:12 No.29762875 Report

Quoted By: >>29762905

>>29760782
you forgot
>Zygarde raped

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:58:17 No.29762878 Report

Quoted By:

>>29761870
>no old pokemon with dazzling/queenly majesty

literally one job

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:58:41 No.29762890 Report

Quoted By: >>29763012

>>29762657
okay, so if it doesn't really affect his usefulness by getting rid of Levitate, then why did they need to change it at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:59:03 No.29762905 Report

Quoted By:

>>29762875
How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:59:37 No.29762928 Report

Quoted By: >>29762969

>>29762700
He still has Shadow Tag, but again, you can no longer switch Gengar in on your own or your opponent's EQ, and he's not going to enjoy getting smacked with Sticky Web anymore (Spikes is pretty much a non-factor in VGC).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 21:59:46 No.29762933 Report

Quoted By:

>>29760782
gengar and talonflame deserved it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:00:39 No.29762969 Report

Quoted By:

>>29762928
meant for
>>29762790

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:00:54 No.29762990 Report

Quoted By: >>29763295

>>29762700
good points! Not happy with the Gengar nerf, but I guess its role will simply change to a classic switch in for Fairy types.
As an Earthquake partner in VGC I'd recommend actual birds (though weak to electric) or Mismagius.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:01:41 No.29763012 Report

Quoted By: >>29763281

>>29762890

Anyone who says it doesn't affect his usefulness is retarded. Not being able to fire off your own EQ's while Gengar's on your side is going to hurt Gengar's usage pretty bad.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:03:50 No.29763090 Report

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>>29760859

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:04:32 No.29763115 Report

Quoted By: >>29763218

>>29760782
What happened to Talonflame?
And do we know if Gengar has a HA now or not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:07:37 No.29763218 Report

Quoted By: >>29763250

>>29763115
Gale wings only works at full health.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:08:18 No.29763250 Report

Quoted By: >>29763372

>>29763218
I thought it was at half health?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:09:04 No.29763281 Report

Quoted By: >>29763356

>>29763012
lol is Earthquake with Gengar on your side the only way you play Pokemon?
Think of something new.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:09:23 No.29763295 Report

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>>29762990
>its role will simply change to a classic switch in for Fairy types

Unlikely. 60/60/75 Defenses means he can NOT take a hit, even resisted - which is why having 3 immunities was so important to him. In VGC it's even worse - he needed that immunity to come in, as it was an immunity to the most common attack in the metagame. If he comes in on a resisted hit, he'll get hit with a Priority move or Sucker Punch the next turn and he'll basically be useless.

No, his only role from this point on in VGC will be revenge killer - expect several Specs and Scarf sets to show up before he gets dropped from most teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:10:09 No.29763322 Report

Quoted By: >>29763382

Has Speed Boost been raped too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:10:52 No.29763356 Report

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>>29763281
You basically just recommended him to not use Gengar now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:11:21 No.29763372 Report

Quoted By:

>>29763250
I could be wrong. Either way, it doesn't work unless the pokemon has some amount of HP left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:11:32 No.29763382 Report

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>>29763322
>has Speed Boost been raped too?

Nope, Blaziken is still going to stay Uber as fuck.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:11:45 No.29763393 Report

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>>29762150
You do know Alola trio gets iron head, right?
Not having arena trap is crap though, I'll give you that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:12:12 No.29763408 Report

Quoted By:

>>29760782
I want to see Gengar getting raped now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:13:07 No.29763439 Report

Quoted By:

>>29760907
If it lost levitate and one of its abilities is cursed body, what are the others?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:15:34 No.29763534 Report

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>>29762790
Not usable in VGC regardless

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:15:49 No.29763545 Report

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>>29761812
>SRing for starters
> not just using MM

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:17:39 No.29763607 Report

Quoted By: >>29763810

>>29761870
What about gen 1 VC mons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:23:03 No.29763795 Report

Quoted By: >>29763853

>>29762560
I love it. I've been praying for Corsola to useable for years.

Its not a premiere wall but its carved itself a niche as decent one with a million ways to recover

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:23:27 No.29763810 Report

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>>29763607
Their stats get recalculated as they get transferred.

Their IV's are changed ((Original IV x2) +1) as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:24:28 No.29763853 Report

Quoted By:

>>29762560
>>29763795

Don't get TOO happy, Corsola is basically going to stay in PU forever until it gets an Evo that lets it use Evolite.

That said, at least it'll be useable in PU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:25:31 No.29763888 Report

Quoted By: >>29763945

>>29760782
It's to early to tell. Wait until everyone gets a chance to play the game fully, and then determine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:26:47 No.29763945 Report

Quoted By:

>>29763888
You mean the worst gen thing or those guys getting fucked?

Cause all those guys got fucked pretty hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:26:56 No.29763948 Report

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>>29761870
Delcatty buffed. Focus Sash + Protect, Sucker Punch and Play Rough. Cute Charm and Attract might be useful now. Damn it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:27:58 No.29763983 Report

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Literally shitty mons got buffed and fucking follow-like-sheep mons are now nerfed. This is actually amazing, SmogonFags on Suicide Watch only.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:28:57 No.29764022 Report

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Guys can you post the pic of pokemon in the game like from past gens because i know it was shown but i forgot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:35:39 No.29764258 Report

Quoted By: >>29764508

>>29761254
Wew lad

I mean its still fast as fuck but thats honestly ridiculous

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:41:59 No.29764508 Report

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>>29764258
The point before was that Talonflame beat the fuck out of Scarfers.

She can't do that anymore.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 22:59:58 No.29765173 Report

Quoted By:

>>29761870
>Drought torkoal
>Snow warning Vanilluxe

>>29761254
Can still tailwind, and roost back up to full on a prediction
I feel like lefties talonflame might pick up popularity

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 23:01:08 No.29765215 Report

Quoted By: >>29766056 >>29766129

Whats Alolan Dugtrio's typing this could make or break the game for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 23:11:40 No.29765624 Report

Quoted By:

>>29760782
It's going to be a fun gen for VGC, aka the best format.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 23:24:59 No.29766056 Report

Quoted By:

>>29765215
Ground/Steel

I look at these stats, moves, and abilities and all I see is chaos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 23:27:16 No.29766129 Report

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>>29765215
Ground/Steel

It's worse than post buff vanilla Dugtrio and has to compete with Smogonmole without half the options Smogonmole has

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Anonymous Tue 08 Nov 2016 23:38:47 No.29766513 Report

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>>29762496
>>29762291
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