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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 13:54:41 No.29779923 View View Reply Original Report

HOly shit, uber glass cannon.
Amazing design buzzwole absolutely btfo, moon bros we win again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 13:58:26 No.29779972 Report

Quoted By: >>29780030

>>29779923
>not bug/steel or bug/psychic

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:01:21 No.29780007 Report

Quoted By: >>29781547 >>29781588

>>29779923
So what sets would work on this? A special set with Quiver Dance, Bug Buzz, Focus Miss, and Ice Meme sounds workable, but I think most would ditch QD in favor of some physical STAB to kill key threats (and because it can really only set up on mons with zero offense).

I think a physical attacking set with Low Kek and U-Turn would turn out well in Ubers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:01:23 No.29780008 Report

Quoted By: >>29780021 >>29780045 >>29780056 >>29785054

>>29779923
>silver wind is ice type now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:02:46 No.29780021 Report

Quoted By: >>29780048

>>29780008
Capped mid transition. That's obviously blizzard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:03:10 No.29780030 Report

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>>29779972
For what purpose?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:03:24 No.29780033 Report

Quoted By: >>29780048

>>29779923
I don't care about that, but did they change the typing of Silver Wind from Bug to Ice? Or is that an error?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:04:14 No.29780045 Report

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>>29780008
Judging by how it has the same BP and accuracy as blizzard, there's probably a mix-up between the two moves here. Maybe silver wind replaces TM14?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:04:20 No.29780048 Report

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>>29780033
>>29780021

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:04:46 No.29780056 Report

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>>29780008
>Silver Wind how has 110 BP and 70% accuracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:04:54 No.29780058 Report

Quoted By: >>29780106 >>29780366

>>29779923
>Spearow used peck!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:05:21 No.29780066 Report

Quoted By: >>29783309

Why use this over Deoxys?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:08:36 No.29780106 Report

Quoted By: >>29780130

>>29780058
I'm pretty sure Spearow doesn't have 151+ speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:10:45 No.29780130 Report

Quoted By: >>29780217

>>29780106
>what is choice scarf

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:12:25 No.29780148 Report

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>>29779923
Literally my moms Deoxys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:12:55 No.29780154 Report

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>>29779923
I'm a Moonbro but I hate this thing. Buzzwole all the way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:13:34 No.29780164 Report

Quoted By: >>29780193 >>29780268

>implying Buzzwole isn't better in every single way
>implying moon will ever be better than sun

I thought denialfags were all gone

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:15:32 No.29780193 Report

Quoted By: >>29782551

>>29780164
>implying mosquito shit will be anything but UU

At least this one has pottential

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:17:03 No.29780217 Report

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>>29780130
cant outspeed even with choice scarf

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:19:33 No.29780248 Report

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holy sh*t.... it's faster than deoxys...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:19:43 No.29780249 Report

Quoted By: >>29780270 >>29780282 >>29780313 >>29780366 >>29781661 >>29784029 >>29784157

>Talonflame used Brave Bird!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:20:57 No.29780268 Report

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>>29780164
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:21:00 No.29780270 Report

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>>29780249
>talonflame
The bird is dead, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:21:46 No.29780282 Report

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>>29780249
Might as well just explode a electrode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:23:54 No.29780313 Report

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>>29780249
>talonmeme

lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:24:44 No.29780330 Report

Quoted By: >>29780353 >>29780366

>>29779923
>Charmander used Ember!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:26:01 No.29780353 Report

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>>29780330
>Any pokemon faster then 151
Literally gave it 151 just to fuck over the 150 mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:27:02 No.29780366 Report

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>>29780330
>>29780249
>>29780058
Stop this meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 14:27:03 No.29780367 Report

Quoted By: >>29781468

>>29779923
This thing easily outclasses Deoxys and Deoxys-A just by it's ability alone.

If that wasn't enough, it has significantly greater offensive STAB.

Are we on the verge of a BL tier under Uber?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 15:48:48 No.29781468 Report

Quoted By: >>29781597

>>29780367
Surprised no one is talking about Beast Boost. Literally a glorified Moxie for Legendaries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 15:54:39 No.29781547 Report

Quoted By: >>29781652

>>29780007

Knowing the metagame, it's going to use choice band/u turn and not much else

I would say it's too frail for quiver dance, I honestly feel like substitute would fair it better. It can force a lot of pokemon out, so if you get lucky and predict the switch, you'll be protected from priority by the sub.

Otherwise it doesn't have a ton outside of a fighting attack, an bug attack, and ice beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 15:57:38 No.29781588 Report

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>>29780007
It can't waste turns on something like quiver dance with bulk like that. It needs to run LO or choice band. CB U-Turn and LO mixed sweeper will be the main sets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 15:58:11 No.29781597 Report

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>>29781468

It won't be that useful for this ultra beast. It's just going to boost speed which is already high enough. The only thing this would help is allow players to risk running modest/adamant over a speed nature. Either way this thing is forced out by priority so all the speed boosts in the world won't make the difference

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 15:59:09 No.29781611 Report

Quoted By: >>29781668 >>29781684 >>29781702

I love this thing but I'd be surprised if it even made OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:00:29 No.29781626 Report

Quoted By: >>29781676

>>29779923
Is he catchable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:01:19 No.29781640 Report

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>>29779923

which hidden power is best if you already have fighting/ice/bug coverage?

I'm guessing rock or fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:02:22 No.29781652 Report

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>>29781547

It has variety because you won't know if it's a quiver dance or a choice band set until it uses its move.

Unless Deoxys-N is OU this gen, then Pheromosa is going to Ubers as well, since it has a better typing and better ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:02:58 No.29781661 Report

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>>29780249
>Implying it'll come out at 100% after Stealth Rocks
>Implying it could outspeed this thing otherwise

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:03:25 No.29781667 Report

Quoted By: >>29781885 >>29784475

it's going to be OU, bros.
mawile is back, aegislash is back, it needs ice beam JUST for landorus, skarmory is a thing, celesteele will be a thing, toxapex will be a thing, regular blaziken will probably survive a few months, tapu fini will probably be a thing...
this thing will have to run something along the lines of U-turn / Ice Beam / HJK / Poison Jab which doesn't touch ferrothorn, gets worn down quick by rocky helmet users by u-turning out... also buzzwole looks like a bretty good check thanks to its bulk. as a speedy attacker, it will compete with LO deoxys-s, who trades utility and unpredictability for raw power.
also, most neutral priority will fuck this thing up.
it will be a big threat, but trust me, definitely not uber at first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:03:32 No.29781668 Report

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>>29781611
Are you retarded? Unless you mean too good for OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:03:51 No.29781676 Report

Quoted By:

>>29781626
>he

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:03:52 No.29781678 Report

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>Focus sash/sturdy anything use peck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:04:09 No.29781684 Report

Quoted By: >>29781701

>>29781611
A guy ran calcs to see how well OU's current top mons would handle Pheromosa.

The answer was poorly. Mega Walls like Venusaur and Sableye could briefly prevent its onslaught, but only a few times. Priority users could threaten it, but most couldn't switch in more than once, or relied upon revenge-killing.

The anon determined that only one Pokemon could reliably beat Pheromosa; Talonflame. But that was before the news dropped.

This thing is going to be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:04:56 No.29781694 Report

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>>29779923
Even as a moonbro it upsets me I can't get him normally, designwise buzzswole is way better. At least pkhex exists so I can get thr better UB02.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:05:14 No.29781701 Report

Quoted By: >>29781727 >>29781729 >>29781730 >>29781747 >>29783960

>>29781684
What news? What did I miss?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:05:17 No.29781702 Report

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>>29781611

I honestly feel like it will be OU.

Could be banned, but that movepool just isn't there. It gets shut down easily by choice scarf, priority, sturdy, and anything that can take a single fighting/ice/bug attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:07:00 No.29781727 Report

Quoted By: >>29781749 >>29781753 >>29781901

>>29781701
gale wings only works if youre at full hp

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:07:10 No.29781729 Report

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>>29781701
GF stone-cold killed Talonflame and drop-kicked it into RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:07:14 No.29781730 Report

Quoted By: >>29781753

>>29781701
brave bird doesn't function if talonflame isn't at 100% health.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:07:34 No.29781738 Report

Quoted By: >>29781781

>>29779923
>Pidgey used gust
Buzzmeme is ugly, but at least it's useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:08:08 No.29781744 Report

Quoted By: >>29781781

>>29779923
>There are people who think this thing isn't broken
Why are people so terrible at competitive here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:08:16 No.29781747 Report

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>>29781701
gale wings only work with 100% health

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:08:35 No.29781749 Report

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>>29781727
Gengar nerf, now talonflame nerf and a new stall friend with almost 150 in both defenses? Loving this gen already

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:08:40 No.29781753 Report

Quoted By: >>29781780 >>29781912

>>29781727
>>29781730

Oh boo hoo.

Just swap brave bird for acrobatics, and keep the field free of sneaky pebbles. Even if you do take damage, talonflame is fast enough to outspeed almost all of its threats.

Cancer bird isn't going anywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:09:16 No.29781759 Report

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Me First would be lolzy for killing ghosts and dragons

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:10:14 No.29781780 Report

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>>29781753
>downgrade to a move that requires no item in order to function
>cannot hit steel types without recoil damage or not even able to kill a scizor

talonflame is cooked dude. people will try to cling to it but that fucker is going to UU at minimum

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:10:17 No.29781781 Report

Quoted By: >>29781843

>>29781738

Oh no, pheromosa actually attacked instead of letting the gust hit it.

>>29781744
Literally anything that can take a hi jump miss, a bug buzz, or an ice beam kills it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:14:48 No.29781837 Report

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Did someone say Giratina?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:15:23 No.29781843 Report

Quoted By: >>29781885

>>29781781
Which is why it will not be used at the start of a battle but to clean up already weakened teams. Considering it has no counters and no revenge killers other than full health Talonflame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:18:10 No.29781885 Report

Quoted By:

>>29781843
>no counters
>>29781667

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:19:39 No.29781901 Report

Quoted By:

>>29781727
what the fuck
Source?

Bravest birb wasn't even that strong

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:20:29 No.29781912 Report

Quoted By: >>29784177

>>29781753
If you want to use Acrobatics, you lose out on Scarf, Band, and Leftovers.
The next best Flying move is fucking Aerial Ace.
You also can't use Flare Blitz without losing Gale Wings.
Sand Stream completely nullifies Talonflame now.
Talonflame is now incapable of switching into any Pokemon at all without losing its revenge-killing abilities, lest it be hit or poisoned.
If it faces a goddamn Ferrothorn, it's cooked. Hell, anything with Rough Skin, Iron Barbs, or a Rocky Helmet.

Because when Talonflame loses out on its priority Brave Bird and Roost, it loses everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:20:33 No.29781913 Report

Quoted By:

>>29779923

This plus Tapu Lele are going to rule Doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:20:50 No.29781917 Report

Quoted By:

>>29779923
what program is this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 16:57:23 No.29782551 Report

Quoted By:

>>29780193
Smogonfag pls, keep jacking off to a cockroach.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 17:01:24 No.29782618 Report

Quoted By:

>>29779923
UM what is Toxapex

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 17:12:37 No.29782808 Report

Quoted By: >>29784191

>>29779923
IT CAN LEARN SPEED SWAP

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 17:43:16 No.29783309 Report

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>>29780066
Outspeeds it and other 150-speed mons, Fighting STAB, strongest move can be spammed without stat drops, it is situational but not completely outclassed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 17:48:55 No.29783425 Report

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>>29779923
>Third fastest Pokemon
>Can run as a mixed sweeper
>STABs have great coverage
>Ability is basically a Speed increasing Moxie
Holy shitsnacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 17:51:19 No.29783464 Report

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>moon gets uber UB
>sun gets UU filler UB

How mad are you sunfags?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 17:51:47 No.29783473 Report

Quoted By:

So Jolly with Life Orb is best build?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 17:53:20 No.29783492 Report

Quoted By:

She's too cold, anon, too cold in Refresh/Amie ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:01:06 No.29783627 Report

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I thought this thing is insanely broken at first, but there are some less obvious ways of managing it. Merely having a Ghost type on your team will dissuade it from clicking HJK to kill things, and so will majority of defensive Steel types by running Protect just to chip it. Aegislash, Jellicent and Toxipex all hard counter it while taking minimal recoverable damage from U-Turn and also have multitude of ways to punish loss of momentum. Even teams not specifically preparing for it will have varying levels of counterplay, at least early into S/M where former ubers like Aegislash will dictate the meta. It's still a monster though and will get swiftly removed from OU should Aegi be rebanned, and possibly even earlier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:10:58 No.29783778 Report

Quoted By:

WIll they be usable in battle tree and battle facilities is the question,as their stats are lower than even pseudos

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:14:42 No.29783845 Report

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>>29779923
oh man its 1 bst in speed higher then Deoxys N and has worse attack stat
its gonna be Ubers
but its gonna be a dead weight

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:16:16 No.29783871 Report

Quoted By: >>29783939

>>29779923
I
FUCKING
NEED
TO
KNOW
WHERE
DO
YOU
GUYS
GET
THOSE
IMGES
FROM
IF
THERE
IS
A
SITE
OR
SOMETHING

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:16:51 No.29783886 Report

Quoted By: >>29783915

As soon as OU drops I will be using scarf aerial ace dugtrio on every team just to remove this thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:18:34 No.29783915 Report

Quoted By:

>>29783886
Scizor one shots it with Bullet punch 80% of the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:19:26 No.29783939 Report

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>>29783871
You couldn't search it yourself, couldn't you? Fucking newfriends wanting the spoon as always.
And don't tell me you're old, you would know by know how to use the archive.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Kaphotics Here

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:20:32 No.29783960 Report

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>>29781701

They took Talonflame out back and shot him. It was tragic, there were kids there and everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:23:38 No.29784010 Report

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With bravest birb kill people will be bringing Mega Pinsir to counter Beauty if she becomes meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:24:46 No.29784029 Report

Quoted By:

>>29780249
>Talonflame
Anon....

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:24:48 No.29784030 Report

Quoted By: >>29784078

>Glassiest of glass cannons
>In a game where priority is fucking everywhere with almost no counters

Scarf anything flying is going to shit on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:27:32 No.29784078 Report

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>>29784030
80% of ghost types counter it

its move pool is Normal bug Ice and Fighting
fling is the only move it can hit ghost for Super effective

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:32:32 No.29784157 Report

Quoted By:

>>29780249
>X used Stealth Rock!
>bird is kill!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:33:55 No.29784177 Report

Quoted By: >>29784827

>>29781912
What about flyium-Z? Could work with acro

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:34:39 No.29784183 Report

Quoted By: >>29784294

It's literally Deoxys-A

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:34:59 No.29784191 Report

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>>29782808
>yfw speed swapping with tail glow Xerkitree

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:36:57 No.29784224 Report

Quoted By: >>29784234

>>29779923
Forget about me, did you

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:37:49 No.29784234 Report

Quoted By: >>29784262

>>29784224
banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:39:20 No.29784262 Report

Quoted By: >>29784453

>>29784234
You're right, you can still use regular sableye. + the ban only lasts for this VGC also I don't play comp

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:40:49 No.29784294 Report

Quoted By:

>>29784183
its worse then Deoxys A worse then Deoxys N too
and has no Moves
it can barely take out gengar with HP dark

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:45:02 No.29784380 Report

Quoted By: >>29784413

>>29779923
>151 is barely green
no wonder people have been freaking out about stats, these colors give a bad impression

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:46:59 No.29784413 Report

Quoted By: >>29784437

>>29784380
>these colors give a bad impression
Do you think people can't look at the numbers and just look at the pretty numbers or something? The distributions of most Pokemon are completely horrendous and barely anything goes over 500BST. Most things have bad stats, it's a undeniable fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:48:25 No.29784437 Report

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>>29784413
I know, but details like that affect perception a lot even if it shouldn't

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:50:06 No.29784453 Report

Quoted By: >>29784596

>>29784262
Smegon is trying to ban it too.
Fuck them. Just play Wi-fi. Sableye deserves better.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:51:34 No.29784475 Report

Quoted By: >>29784848

>>29781667
Does Aegislash finally have fucking levitate? Getting murdered by Earthquake fucking triggers me

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 18:59:17 No.29784596 Report

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>>29784453
That's what I'm gonna do, also this gen brought nice fairy killers so all is good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 19:14:22 No.29784827 Report

Quoted By:

>>29784177
z-stones aren't consumed on use and therefore do not boost acrobatics

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 19:15:44 No.29784848 Report

Quoted By:

>>29784475
Aegislash will never have anything other than Stance Change. Its intrinsic to its design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 19:19:47 No.29784917 Report

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Pair this thing with Tapu Lele in doubles and watch other Pokémon fall faster than dominoes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 19:28:42 No.29785054 Report

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>>29780008
It's not, my cutiefly learned it and it's still Bug-type obviously.

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