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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 05:30:58 No.29795979 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29796089 >>29796119 >>29796433

So now that it's confirmed it's possible to get an other nature than hardy for Ash-greninja when you transfer it to the main games, which would be the best nature, moveset and item for it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 05:34:24 No.29796015 Report

Quoted By: >>29796049

Same exact nature's as normal Greninja, same movesets but with Water Shuriken as the water move, same items as normal Greninja.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 05:36:10 No.29796033 Report

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Timid, life orb.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 05:37:32 No.29796049 Report

Quoted By: >>29796109 >>29797017

>>29796015
Wouldn't it be better to have it be modest/timid instead of hasty/naive like protean greninja? Especially since SM doesn't have a move tutor which makes its physical movepool more shallow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 05:40:40 No.29796089 Report

Quoted By: >>29796109 >>29796178

>>29795979
Well I remember Greninja as a mixed attacker and with its stats I'm sure it'll do just fine with this set. Pretty much hits everything decently hard.

Ash-Greninja @ Life Orb w/ Naive
Water Shuriken
Ice Beam
HP Fire / Dark Pulse
Gunk Shot

16 Atk/ 240 Sp Atk/ Speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 05:42:30 No.29796109 Report

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>>29796089
*252 Speed

>>29796049
Ahh good point, so it wouldn't get Gunk Shot. U-Turn is also an option I guess

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 05:42:47 No.29796119 Report

Quoted By: >>29796157 >>29796845

>>29795979
How do you get a different nature? Can you breed the ability?

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 05:45:31 No.29796157 Report

Quoted By: >>29797220

>>29796119
When you transfer it to the main games it gets a random nature.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 05:47:24 No.29796178 Report

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>>29796089
You can't get gunk shot in SM for it. U-turn maybe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 06:01:07 No.29796364 Report

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Do we know if you can proc Battle Bond with U-Turn?

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 06:06:58 No.29796433 Report

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>>29795979
Ash-Greninja @ Focus Slash / Timid

Water Shuriken
Dark Pulse
Grass Knott
Ice Bean

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 06:35:12 No.29796845 Report

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Timid with Life Orb

Water Shuriken
Dark Pulse
Ice Beam
HP Fire/U Turn/Hydro Pump?

I dunno, I'm not a big competitive battler nowadays

>>29796119
Supposedly it's nature changes when transferred, dunno about IVs though (if they don't big whoop since it's got 31/31/31 in attacking stats already)

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 06:40:17 No.29796906 Report

Quoted By: >>29797150

Is Battle Bond even worth using over Protean? What are the real perks of it that justify continuing to use water shuriken?

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 06:48:26 No.29797017 Report

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>>29796049
SM may not have one, but the next games might. Taking hits is gonna kill you anyway. Best to stick with Hasty/Naive

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 06:58:39 No.29797150 Report

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>>29796906
Positive things
>hits a lot harder in with special moves and the physical moves that it has STAB on, without STAB it's pretty much the same to protean greninja
>is faster
>water shuriken has a minimum 60 base damage, a maximum 150 and and average 90 which makes it the hardest hitting priority move in the game. 5x water shuriken from a naive life orb 252 sp atk Ash-greninja hits harder than modest 252 sp.atk Primal Kyogre's origin pulse.

Negative
>more frail since it can't change type and adapt to the opponent, especially now when z-power happy hour gives greninja +1 in every stat
>you need to KO a pokemon before using it

All Ash-greninja really has over protean greninja is that it would be a better late game sweeper that can KO already damaged pokemon or just U-turn if they switch out knowing you will use Ash-greninja and need that KO. Plus you really need that hydro pump on it so regular greninja can hit as hard as possible so it can get that KO to become Ash-greninja.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 07:02:38 No.29797220 Report

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>>29796157
Is it when transferred as a gift or when picked up?

If it's the former I don't see how to SR for it.

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