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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 11:44:27 No.29800353 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29800370 >>29800393 >>29800487 >>29800663 >>29800824 >>29800858 >>29800876 >>29801644 >>29802441 >>29804676

>65 base speed
JUST FUCK ME UP

And I was gonna pick him too...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 11:45:31 No.29800367 Report

Quoted By: >>29800481 >>29801278

two posts until owlfag shows up and tries to convince people that its better than primarina and incineroar with retard logic

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 11:45:54 No.29800370 Report

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>>29800353
70. Dont pick for stats faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 11:47:59 No.29800393 Report

Quoted By: >>29800486

>>29800353
70. Incineroar has 60.
Also, does it matter with everything being SLOW this gen ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 11:54:55 No.29800481 Report

Quoted By: >>29800507

>>29800367
>Decidueye has 70 base Speed, not 65
>It's still faster than the other two
>Picking a starter for stats is dumb in the first place and defeats the purpose, just use what you think looks fun to use
>No one fucking cares what you use for the single player
I don't see how this is retard logic. Quit looking for things to be mad about and starting shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 11:55:06 No.29800486 Report

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>>29800393
It'll be extra painful next year then (assuming no significant balance patch): no one will use 98% of gen7 pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 11:55:11 No.29800487 Report

Quoted By: >>29800542 >>29800570 >>29800960

>>29800353
70 Speed, at least it has Sucker Punch coming from 107 Attack (which is 4 points higher than Greninja's 103 Sp. Attack)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 11:56:41 No.29800507 Report

Quoted By: >>29800566 >>29800620

>>29800481
>the way you play is wrong

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 11:57:41 No.29800523 Report

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Nigga they all slow.
Just pick the one you want for a change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 11:59:28 No.29800542 Report

Quoted By: >>29800562 >>29801650

>>29800487
Sucker Punch got nerfed to 70 BP, and no STAB.

Might as well use Shadow Sneak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:00:51 No.29800562 Report

Quoted By: >>29800727 >>29800796

>>29800542
Wow priority really got fucked this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:01:06 No.29800566 Report

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>>29800507
Are you saying that there is any other way to play Pokemon other than doing what you want to do with the permitted options and having fun with it, in any manner of speaking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:01:32 No.29800570 Report

Quoted By: >>29800581

>>29800487
...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:02:15 No.29800581 Report

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>>29800570
Eat my ass, Red.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:03:14 No.29800592 Report

Quoted By: >>29800618 >>29800907 >>29801908

70 isn't so bad in Alola. I mean, if everything's slow, nothing is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:04:09 No.29800603 Report

Quoted By: >>29800616

>>29800581
Are you insulting him or asking for a sexual favour?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:04:57 No.29800616 Report

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>>29800603
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:05:13 No.29800618 Report

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>>29800592
This would be true if alola mons were the majority, but they're not even the majority in their own region.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:05:24 No.29800620 Report

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>>29800507
Shut the fuck up
There's no wrong way to play Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:07:04 No.29800645 Report

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>>29800566
yeah it's to not pick the owl and instead commit suicide

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:08:15 No.29800663 Report

Quoted By: >>29803360

>>29800353
I mean ... 70 is above the average speed state in gen 7, which is around 63

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:12:37 No.29800727 Report

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>>29800562

That seems to be the new meta they want to push, but they did this like retards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:16:15 No.29800765 Report

Quoted By: >>29800779

How fast is lewd seal?

I noticed my owl is slower than like half the pokemon I fight despite it being 10+ levels over them, which was pretty weird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:17:01 No.29800779 Report

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>>29800765
60

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:18:21 No.29800796 Report

Quoted By: >>29800838

>>29800562
not smogon bird tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:20:52 No.29800824 Report

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>>29800353
Decent bulk, SD+ two priority moves (one stab), Baton Pass and a trapping move (not sure about trap pass mechanics these days) isn't too bad.
I haven't played much meta since gen 4, and pretty much skipped last gen's, but it could probably find some use in UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:22:05 No.29800838 Report

Quoted By: >>29801219

>>29800796
?
it suffered the most

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:23:55 No.29800858 Report

Quoted By: >>29801546

>>29800353
>Sticky Web
>Speed Swap
>Trick Room
I wish people would stop bitching about this already. Use the slow speed to your fucking advantage now that priority is kill. Stall has literally been a thing for 6 generations and they don't focus on speed at all. Get gud and stop complaining

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:25:12 No.29800876 Report

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>>29800353
>not trying to win with pokemon you like
>not bringing out his strong point

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:28:10 No.29800907 Report

Quoted By: >>29801572

>>29800592
>Everybody will be using Alola Pokemon in competitive

Kek.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:32:13 No.29800960 Report

Quoted By: >>29801817

>>29800487
Like that means anything. Greninja's SpA is meh without Protean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:48:33 No.29801219 Report

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>>29800838
why? because priority rock? yeah no

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:53:48 No.29801278 Report

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>>29800367
But DEcidueye is better than Incineroar. Incineroar is a poor man's Arcanine.

COmpetitively speaking Primarina is simply an inferior Sylveon. At least Decidueye has a niche with Spirit Shackle

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:54:46 No.29801291 Report

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Jolly nature and 252 in Attack and Speed right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:55:09 No.29801297 Report

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>>29801219
>he doesn't know

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:55:32 No.29801306 Report

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>>29801219
>He doesn't know

Oh wow

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:55:52 No.29801313 Report

Quoted By: >>29801725

>>29801219
Gale Wings only works at full health now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:56:28 No.29801327 Report

Quoted By: >>29801725

>>29801219
nobody tell him, let him find out for himself

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:56:37 No.29801328 Report

Quoted By: >>29801725

>>29801219
>not knowing
Bravest Bird is dead anon, nerfed to h*ck and back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 12:57:35 No.29801344 Report

Quoted By: >>29801409

>>29801278
And Decidueye is just 10 faster than Dhelmise, which surpasses it on almost everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:02:36 No.29801409 Report

Quoted By: >>29801657

>>29801344
You mean 30 faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:11:52 No.29801546 Report

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>>29800858
is it worth using sticky web in competitive
I mean by the time you use it you may already be fucked by wasting a turn on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:13:21 No.29801572 Report

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>>29800907
Well there are also some Kanto mons allowed
Did not see the full list

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:13:34 No.29801577 Report

Quoted By: >>29801737

>>29801278
If that's you argument then Incineroar also has a niche in Darkest Lariat and Throat Chop

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:17:31 No.29801627 Report

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>>29801278
Decidueye is poor man's Gourgeist-Average

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:18:50 No.29801644 Report

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>>29800353
Good nature and movesets for this fucker?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:19:29 No.29801650 Report

Quoted By: >>29801691

>>29800542
This is not true. Sucker punch is still 85.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:19:52 No.29801657 Report

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>>29801409
It is?
My mistake then.
Still gonna go for the Wailord smasher.
My point was that all the starters are all "Poor man's X"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:22:38 No.29801691 Report

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>>29801650
It was never 85
It was 80
Now it is 70

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:23:22 No.29801700 Report

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Still the best Alola starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:24:39 No.29801725 Report

Quoted By: >>29801832 >>29801866 >>29801896 >>29802128 >>29802181

>>29801306
>>29801313
>>29801327
>>29801328
HUE
anon must be crying in a corner right now
Gale Wings now only works if health is at 100%
Gengar lost Levitate
Bunch of moves got nerfed
Megamom now just hits 1.25x I'm ok with this
Dark Void is now just 50% accuraccy and Smeargle can't use it (only works if used by Darkrai)
Most mons on Gen 7 are slow as fuck

What the fuck is GF planning for competitive?

Also, Leech Life went from 20 to 80, those Zubats will hit HARD.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:25:47 No.29801737 Report

Quoted By: >>29801800

>>29801577
Darkest Lariat is pretty much useless because no one boosts defense ever except for BP chain teams. Those are however too rare to be really relevant

Throat Chop is nice but the most relevant voice-moves users are Mega Gardevoir and Sylveon, and why the fuck would Incineroar ever stay in front of them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:31:43 No.29801800 Report

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>>29801737
BP chains can just pass to Sylveon against Darkest Lariat anyways.

Weavile gets Throat Chop too and it's a way better mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:32:31 No.29801817 Report

Quoted By: >>29801868

>>29800960
Greninja can have any STAB it wants with Protean, but it still retaining its 103 SpA and without a Life Orb it can't KO many Pokémon.

Decidueye might not have STAB Sucker Punch but with Life Orb it is stronger than it, but its low Speed hurts it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:33:59 No.29801832 Report

Quoted By: >>29801873 >>29801879 >>29802128

>>29801725
>gengar lost levitate
??

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:36:23 No.29801866 Report

Quoted By: >>29801896

>>29801725
leech life got to 80? oh god

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:36:36 No.29801868 Report

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>>29801817
The STAB is a huge difference. Not to mention that Decidueye's STAB attacks are kind of low in power. Sure, Dark Pulse and Ice Beam aren't the heaviest hitting, but it gets Gunk Shot and Hydro Pump which are much stronger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:37:09 No.29801873 Report

Quoted By: >>29801885 >>29801956 >>29802128

>>29801832
Yep.
Nerfed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:37:38 No.29801879 Report

Quoted By: >>29801885 >>29801956 >>29802128 >>29802282

>>29801832
Yup. The ghost is kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:38:22 No.29801885 Report

Quoted By: >>29801956 >>29801970

>>29801873
>>29801879
what the fuck?
what does it have now?

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:39:39 No.29801896 Report

Quoted By: >>29801961

>>29801866
>>29801725
WHAT? I kek'd out loud

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:40:29 No.29801908 Report

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>>29800592
Vanilluxe will fuck you up.
That's how slow you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:43:50 No.29801945 Report

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>>29801278
Arcanine doesn't have Fake Out, or STAB Snarl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:44:26 No.29801956 Report

Quoted By: >>29801978

>>29801873
>>29801879
>>29801885
what does it have?
WHAT DOES IT HAVE?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:44:41 No.29801961 Report

Quoted By: >>29802144

>>29801896
Leech life at 80 + Boosted quiver dance Rimbombee = GG

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:45:16 No.29801970 Report

Quoted By: >>29802003 >>29802128

>>29801885
I'm so, so sorry.
Cursed Body

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:45:47 No.29801978 Report

Quoted By: >>29802003 >>29802128

>>29801956
cursed body

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:47:42 No.29802003 Report

Quoted By: >>29803285

>>29801978
>>29801970
FOR
WHAT
FUCKING
REASON

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:49:12 No.29802019 Report

Quoted By: >>29802042

GF developers are fags, that's the reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:50:28 No.29802042 Report

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>>29802019
They don't understand how their own game works anymore, this entire gen is proof of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:56:47 No.29802128 Report

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>>29801978
>>29801970
>>29801873
>>29801879
>>29801832
>>29801725
rip king of ou
6 generations straight

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:58:03 No.29802144 Report

Quoted By: >>29802236

>>29801961
quiver dance is for special attacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 13:59:48 No.29802181 Report

Quoted By: >>29802297

>>29801725
I saw somewhere that Quag got nerfed but I dont know the specifics. How bad is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 14:03:59 No.29802236 Report

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>>29802144
oh yeah right

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 14:07:06 No.29802282 Report

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>>29801879
Honestly, Gengar isn't that fucked. Gengar got fucked, yes, but not completely and utterly fucked. Gengar will still be OU, just not as strong as he used to be. At least Gengar can pull off some terrain shenanigans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 14:08:18 No.29802297 Report

Quoted By: >>29802334

>>29802181
Unaware only works when the pokemon that has it is attacking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 14:10:27 No.29802334 Report

Quoted By: >>29804193

>>29802297
>tfw have to breed and train a magic guard Clefable now because unaware got useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 14:16:00 No.29802441 Report

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>>29800353
I think I'll pick the Owl, has interesting typing and I like the design of the whole line.

SuMo looks like it's gonna be pretty easy, so picking the shitmon as a starter seems like a boon to me, since I won't be able to rely on it to steam roll everything and I'll have to experiment with different mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 14:45:33 No.29802873 Report

Quoted By: >>29803144

Unaware isn't useless. It's just only good on offensive Pokemon.

They'll probably start putting it on more offensive Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 15:05:30 No.29803144 Report

Quoted By: >>29803310

>>29802873
>Nerf Unaware to make it only useful to offensive Pokemon
>Give it to Pyukumuku, who can't learn any attacks
Is Pyukumuku the most cucked Pokemon of the Alola region? His Innards Out gimmick is useless with his stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 15:13:22 No.29803285 Report

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>>29802003
IT GOT CURSED!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 15:15:17 No.29803310 Report

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>>29803144
You know Wobbuffet before Shadow Tag? It's a bit like that. At least it learns Taunt I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 15:17:47 No.29803348 Report

Quoted By: >>29803370

Can't we all just agree that they're all pretty terrible?

At least the Unova starters were redeemable with their HA, except for Samurott.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 15:18:49 No.29803360 Report

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>>29800663
Does this value include non fully evolved mons? If so it's pointless to mention.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 15:19:34 No.29803370 Report

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>>29803348
Emboar is still pretty bad. Like Primarina and Incineroar are at least better than those two. Maybe Decidueye too.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 15:26:01 No.29803454 Report

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as an owlfag im actually more disappointed in incineroar
i expect rowlet to be dogshit from day one,i was prepared for that.
but a fire/dark sweeper with fighting type coverage would have been monstrous if they didn't give it broken legs

they really dropped the ball on a lot of these new mons which is so bizarre because they made some real clever good changes to oldermons.
its like they are bipolar and spend one week fixing shit and the next week shitting all over everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 15:28:54 No.29803493 Report

Quoted By: >>29803653 >>29804416

Incineroar will be good in VGC because of its movepool and ability.
Decidueye will habe niche usage in OU with either Shackles + SD/NP + Baton Pass or Defog / Roost
Primarina will be shit at every level of high tier competitive because of bad HP and Defense. It might land mid to low UU if its lucky

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 15:40:46 No.29803653 Report

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>>29803493
Yeah I don't see any of them being higher than UU. At all. Pretty sure it'll be Primarina > Incineroar > Decidueye. But none of them are good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 15:48:15 No.29803755 Report

Quoted By: >>29804138

Where can I view the stats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 16:10:59 No.29804138 Report

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>>29803755

Kaphotics on youtube.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 16:14:32 No.29804193 Report

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>>29802334
Don't worry m8,iv training got nerfed too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 16:26:35 No.29804416 Report

Quoted By: >>29804495

>>29803493
Are there any other Intimidate users in alola dex?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 16:31:40 No.29804495 Report

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>>29804416
Arcanine
Tauros
Gyarados
Granbull
Masquerain
Salamence
Stoutland
Krookodile

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 16:42:44 No.29804676 Report

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>>29800353
Isn't that slow as fuck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Nov 2016 16:43:29 No.29804687 Report

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>too slow to outspeed most threats
>too fast to make use of trick room
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME

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