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Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 09:49:23 No.29823832 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29823919 >>29824070 >>29824201

Can we all agree that Primarina got the shaft when it comes to HAs compared to the other two?
Liquid Voice Hyper Voice is only a slighty better Surf if anything. Its only worth using in Double battles as it doesn't hit your ally. Why couldn't been a Water equivalent of Pixilate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 09:54:24 No.29823884 Report

Quoted By: >>29824775

I think everyone agrees on that. I can only imagine it's because GF thought it would be overpowered somehow. Either that or they just didn't want Primarina to be that good, which wouldn't surprise me given many of their other decisions. Either way it's one of the worst abilities out there and it seems like a really shitty thing to have done.

Best case scenario is probably that they change it in the next game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 09:57:48 No.29823919 Report

Quoted By: >>29823958

>>29823832

has it been confirmed to not boost like Aeri/Pixilate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:00:58 No.29823958 Report

Quoted By: >>29824044 >>29824057 >>29825448

>>29823919
Yes. Confirmed and tested. Liquid Voice Hyper Voice does the same damage as Surf.

I've even heard some say that, because it converts the move to water, it actually loses the property that goes through substitutes. Haven't tested it though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:08:18 No.29824044 Report

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>>29823958
>loses the property that goes through substitutes

That kind of defeats the purpose of Sound-based moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:09:25 No.29824057 Report

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>>29823958
Does it change the opponents sound moves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:10:22 No.29824070 Report

Quoted By: >>29824163 >>29824243

>>29823832
I'd say that's about as relevant as decidueyes ability which is hilariously irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:19:17 No.29824163 Report

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>>29824070
That one is extra shitty. Can't even be tested in triple battles because they don't exist in tis game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:22:13 No.29824201 Report

Quoted By: >>29824243

>>29823832
it's getting Boomburst as a tutor move in the future

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:25:53 No.29824243 Report

Quoted By: >>29824291

>>29824070
Nah Long Reach is definitely better, it's just that Decidueye doesn't really get much good in the way of moves that even make contact. The ONLY use I can see Liquid Voice ever having as far as moves go would be with Boomburst.

They really just needed better moves all-together. Decidueye needs something that can boost it's speed or at least some priority, and Primarina needs something to give it a niche to fill. I wish it'd have gotten Serene Grace.

>>29824201
I'd like to think so but I doubt it. They probably shat out a half-assed Pixilate because they thought it was too good or something, so giving it something to make the ability useful would probably go against their design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:29:59 No.29824291 Report

Quoted By: >>29824310 >>29824357 >>29825064

>>29824243
>Long Reach is definitely better
There's an item that does the same thing as long reach.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:31:48 No.29824310 Report

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>>29824291
so the ability basically lets it hold 2 items. Lots of abilities are like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:36:06 No.29824357 Report

Quoted By: >>29824514

>>29824291
Yeah, iron barbs is totally a shit ability since Rocky helmet exists, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:40:41 No.29824407 Report

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The only one that got a nice ability was Incineroar, but it's the only reason it isn't entirely a worse Emboar. It's really nice for doubles but I don't play doubles anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:49:53 No.29824514 Report

Quoted By: >>29824565 >>29825064

>>29824357
Dealing free damage is never a bad ability and they stack. Terrible example

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 10:54:51 No.29824565 Report

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>>29824514
Overcoat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 11:19:27 No.29824775 Report

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>>29823884
Hyper Voice would almost invalidate Hydro Pump.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 11:50:27 No.29825064 Report

Quoted By: >>29825335 >>29825385

>>29824514
>>29824291
Don't know how Long Reach is bad though. It can run a damage boosting item while ignoring abilities that punish contact users. Shadow Clawing a Ferrothron repeatedly sounds appealing. Is it confirmed to also bypass King's Shield?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 12:16:29 No.29825335 Report

Quoted By: >>29825372

>>29825064
>Shadow Clawing
>Ferrothorn
>repeatedly
>with that offense
>against Ferrothorn's bulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 12:21:01 No.29825372 Report

Quoted By: >>29825441

>>29825335
>Trap Ferrothorn
>Can't get Leeched
>Kill it
Also Chansey considering its immune to Seismic Toss

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 12:22:21 No.29825385 Report

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>>29825064
Doesn't seem to bypass but it doesn't get affected by it

Not that Decydueye should stay in front of a Aegislash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 12:28:35 No.29825441 Report

Quoted By: >>29825731

>>29825372
>decidueye
>killing Ferrothorn
itll die in 3 turns to gyro ball before deciueye can kill it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 12:29:03 No.29825448 Report

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>>29823958
Are -iate abilities still giving a 1.33 Boost on top of the STAB after the type conversion? I haven't seen anyone mention them

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 12:37:00 No.29825526 Report

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>playing singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 12:54:42 No.29825731 Report

Quoted By: >>29825899

>>29825441

>gyroball
with THAT speed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 13:07:46 No.29825899 Report

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>>29825731
>0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Decidueye: 144-169 (48.4 - 56.9%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO

Ferrothorn is just that slow. And that's with no speed EVs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 15:03:05 No.29827643 Report

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I think decidueye got the shaft. Its got a head and some fletch to make the rest of the arrow as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 15:08:35 No.29827721 Report

Quoted By: >>29827823

Regardless of the bad HA, it's still the best out of the 3 competitively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 15:15:16 No.29827823 Report

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>>29827721
I think so too but time will tell if this is really true or not. I hope so of course.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 15:27:27 No.29828031 Report

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I agree with what people are saying about Liquid Voice. It's pretty much useless in singles unless you want to bypass subs, even then Scald is a better option. It's only good on doubles because it's a Surf that doesn't hit your ally. Primarina has potential, but the lack of a better HA won't make it hit OU and it will most likely stay in UU until we get move tutors in a next installment.

Still, by a competitive standpoint, I'd say it's still the more viable starter this gen. Incineroar is also good in both doubles and singles. Decidueye will be good for trapping and BP setups for singles, but it won't fair well in doubles. Long Reach is pretty ok as an ability since you avoid abilities or items that activate upon contact that could cripple your setup.

All in all, decent starters, but not phenomenal. Better than gen 2 and 5 ones.

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