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Mega Evolutions

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 22:53:59 No.29837589 View View Reply Original Report

Turn order happens after mega evolution now. Can turn 1 prankster save Mega Banette?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 22:55:11 No.29837625 Report

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>>29837589
Bless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 22:56:07 No.29837660 Report

Quoted By: >>29837814

>>29837589
Holy shit, does this only apply to abilities or speed as well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 22:56:21 No.29837665 Report

Quoted By: >>29837736

>>29837589
Oh, cool. So some Megas don't need to run Protect anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 22:57:12 No.29837689 Report

Quoted By: >>29837814

Wait isn't this a nerf to mega sableye then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 22:57:27 No.29837697 Report

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>>29837589
BEEDRILL

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 22:58:16 No.29837720 Report

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>>29837589
Is there a YouTube version? Can't watch WEBMs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 22:58:36 No.29837736 Report

Quoted By: >>29837774 >>29837805

>>29837665
Actually, this probably hurt Megas that get faster. Like Beedrill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 22:59:50 No.29837774 Report

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>>29837736
No, I think you got it wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:00:56 No.29837805 Report

Quoted By: >>29837849 >>29837951 >>29839268

>>29837736
No, it's the opposite.

Megas that get fucked over by this from top of my head are M-Garchomp or M-Sableye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:01:13 No.29837813 Report

Quoted By: >>29837842

>>29837589
What am I missing here? Everything seems the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:01:15 No.29837814 Report

Quoted By: >>29837948

>>29837660
Applies to speed too. The example I keep using is Guzma's 150spd Pinsir outspeeding my 169 spd Garchomp on the turn it megas.

>>29837689
Yes, it loses turn 1 prankster.

>>29837720
No, I can barely make webms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:02:23 No.29837842 Report

Quoted By: >>29839704

>>29837813
Prankster used to not take effect on the turn Banette Mega Evolves. Now it does. If you can't see it at first, note that the Banette is Level 10.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:02:40 No.29837849 Report

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>>29837805
Oh, well neat-o.

Guess I'll be using M-Beedrill on my all bug team even more now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:06:43 No.29837948 Report

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>>29837814
OMFG That's game changing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:06:45 No.29837951 Report

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>>29837805
Hurts mega hera as well.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:10:32 No.29838039 Report

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>>29837589
Did Pidgeot got new moves he can use this gen?! 121 base speed, please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:11:29 No.29838064 Report

Quoted By: >>29838698

>>29837589
Oh shit, so Beedrill with full coverage or Substitute or Fell Stinger is now viable. And Diance can now drop Protect. This is game changing.
>>29837951
Hera got pretty buffed now that Bravest Birb is dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:12:21 No.29838090 Report

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>>29837589
FUCKING THANK GOD

Glad to see even GF realized they fucked up last generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:13:51 No.29838136 Report

Quoted By: >>29838537

So mega kanga will still have scrappy first turn for ghosts

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:27:24 No.29838503 Report

Quoted By: >>29838569

>>29837589

Can you test Chlorophyll Venusaur and see if Mega Venusaur still keeps the speed boost from Chlorphyll on the first turn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:29:10 No.29838537 Report

Quoted By: >>29838569

>>29838136
no
its just turn order

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:30:25 No.29838569 Report

Quoted By: >>29838768

>>29838503
You'll need to give me some sets I can import into pkhex to test with. I assume a ninetales that outspeeds M Venusaur but not cholophyll Venusaur.

>>29838537
He means you can fake out with regular kang and then mega the next turn with no drawback.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:31:27 No.29838593 Report

Quoted By: >>29838764 >>29841339 >>29842415

>>29837589
>Talonflame is dead
>Fell Stinger buff
>No longer needs Protect

OUTTA THE WAY, IT'S FUCKING BEEDRILL TIME

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:33:05 No.29838641 Report

Quoted By: >>29838728 >>29838842

>>29837589
I don't understand. Wasn;t it always like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:35:03 No.29838695 Report

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>>29837589
Have we ever gotten the dex entries for all mega evolutions? Mega Banette wasn't in the list last time I checked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:35:14 No.29838698 Report

Quoted By: >>29838842

>>29838064
fucking how
it still has 126 base spe to hera's 75

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bulb !XtqqXr1mvA Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:36:03 No.29838726 Report

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>>29837589
yes, if mega's were going to be in any way relevant to the meta after being b& in vgc and most likely smogon as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:36:08 No.29838728 Report

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>>29838641

No

In Gen 6, turn order was decided before Mega Evolution, so Mega Banette didn't actually get Prankster until the second turn, and on the first turn, Mega Sableye had both Prankster and Magic Bounce.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:36:33 No.29838738 Report

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>>29838695
Banette isn't catchable but you can presumably get it via PkHeX or QR codes

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:37:44 No.29838764 Report

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>>29838593
>mfw beedrill is finally OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:37:52 No.29838768 Report

Quoted By: >>29838819 >>29838898

>>29838569
Sets just t for testing this:

Ninetales @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
EVs: 52 Def / 252 SpA / 204 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Solar Beam
- Will-O-Wisp
- Disable

Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Chlorophyll
Level: 50
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Solar Beam
- Sludge Bomb
- Growth
- Sleep Powder

Ninetales is a point faster than Venusaur with this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:39:28 No.29838819 Report

Quoted By: >>29838898

>>29838768

Yes, these sets will do.

Also, if it's not too much trouble, can you test the Adrenaline Orb item?

The description reads:

>Using it makes wild Pokémon more likely to call for\nhelp. If held by a Pokémon, it boosts Speed when\nintimidated. It can be used only once

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:40:30 No.29838842 Report

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>>29838641
Turn order was set before mega evolution. So, for example, Bannette couldn't take advantage of Prankster on turn 1, or Beedrill had to run Protect 100% of the time since you couldn't use the speed boost on the first turn. Now they can.

Side effect for this is that Sableye now loses the Prankster move it had after mega evolving, and Pokémon like Garchomp are effectively slower on turn 1.

>>29838698
Nobody will run Smogonbird on Gen 7 beyond UU. The fact it needs full HP to trigger Gale Wings is a huge deal. It was killed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:41:28 No.29838870 Report

Quoted By: >>29839072

>>29838039
nope

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:42:19 No.29838898 Report

Quoted By: >>29838930 >>29839011 >>29839079 >>29839112

Since I kinda know how to do webms now, here's the pokeball toss you get from Mallow.

>>29838768
Alright, I'll give it a try and report back.

>>29838819
I have a few that I found in game, I'll try to figure it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:43:34 No.29838930 Report

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>>29838898

Thanks Anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:46:30 No.29839011 Report

Quoted By: >>29839057 >>29839127

>>29838898
Hey anon, is it true there's no easy way to EV train? Do they have anything?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:47:12 No.29839031 Report

Quoted By: >>29839057 >>29839074

>>29837589
Where do I get the mega ring?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:47:20 No.29839035 Report

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>>29837589
>no new megas
Fuck you too Gamefreak

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:48:20 No.29839057 Report

Quoted By: >>29839203

>>29839011
I've made no attempt to figure that out. "Just inject it" is good enough for me. I could test carbos's and see what they cap out at.

>>29839031
Dexio near the Ground Kahuna's house.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:48:48 No.29839072 Report

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>>29838870
FUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:48:56 No.29839074 Report

Quoted By: >>29839203

>>29839031
fourth island you will encounter sina/dexio and battle you all psychic team with mega alakzam

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:49:03 No.29839079 Report

Quoted By: >>29839136 >>29839163

>>29838898
Could you test something like Beedrill? As it doesn't involve any priority or speed modifying abilities, it can confirm the change.

Beedrill is a good case since it's speed boost is more noticeable. You'll have to do some calcs on what you would outspeed as a Mega.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:50:00 No.29839112 Report

Quoted By: >>29839163

>>29838898
anon do you know how to unlock all the ball toss styles? thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:50:20 No.29839127 Report

Quoted By: >>29839239

>>29839011
Adrenaline orbs is the best way. The "work only once" thing only applies to the Speed boost, so just don't fight anything that gets Intimidate and you can keep using the orb

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:50:42 No.29839136 Report

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>>29839079

Yeah, once Chlorophyll is tested, we need to see if raw speed changes take effect too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:51:36 No.29839163 Report

Quoted By: >>29839443 >>29842620

>>29839079
I think my Guzma example is fine
Garchomp 169 spd
Pinsir 150 spd
M Pinsir 172 spd

>>29839112
This should cover all of them
>Beat game
>Fight Illima
>Fight Lana
>Fight Mallow
>50 streak in a super mode at battle tree
>Win Master rank at battle royale

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:52:29 No.29839178 Report

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>Want megas to be less popular
>Makes them better

What did GF mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:53:29 No.29839203 Report

Quoted By: >>29839315

>>29839074
>>29839057
Thanks. Also I've found 2 cores and many cells, do I have to meet them there?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:55:09 No.29839239 Report

Quoted By: >>29839386

>>29839127
What are you talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:56:16 No.29839268 Report

Quoted By: >>29839290 >>29839306 >>29839323

>>29837805
>>29837951
Can someone explain how this hurts any mega at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:57:04 No.29839290 Report

Quoted By: >>29839331

>>29839268
because they lose speed or prankster on turn 1 as well as the turns after

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:57:45 No.29839306 Report

Quoted By: >>29839331

>>29839268

It benefits any Mega that gains speed upon Mega Evolving, and hurts any one that loses Speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:58:09 No.29839315 Report

Quoted By: >>29839400

On the ninetales-venusaur test
Turn 1
Non mega Venusaur outspeed Ninetales in sun
Turn 2
Mega evolving Venusaur was slower than Ninetales in the sun

I won't bother with a video

>>29839203
If you mean Dexio, it's a cutscene trigger if you walk towards the tapu shrine. Cores are in your house + the 4 Kahunas' houses. Best way to get cells is to inject 2 50% and destroy them, you could also wait for bank to update.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:58:38 No.29839323 Report

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>>29839268
Example: Base Garchomp is faster than base Charizard if Garchomp uses stone edge turn 1 while going mega it would go first and ko Charizard, now it would go 2nd because Mega Garchomp is slower than Charizard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Nov 2016 23:59:00 No.29839331 Report

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>>29839290
>>29839306
Its not that bad yall actin like they get castrated

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:00:35 No.29839366 Report

Quoted By: >>29839490 >>29839522 >>29843286

>Flygon gets Dragon Dance
>Mega Garchomp got nerfed by the turn order change
What did they mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:01:21 No.29839386 Report

Quoted By: >>29839503 >>29839520 >>29841001 >>29844463

>>29839239
Adrenaline Orbs have two uses
1. Pokemon that call for help at low health are more likely to appear. Most Pokemon call for help from the same family, meaning if you pick one off over and over again you can chain them infinitely and get greater control over your EV yields over past games.
2. When held by a Pokemon and something with Intimidate comes in and lowers their Attack, they gain an instant +2 Speed and their orb is consumed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:02:01 No.29839400 Report

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>>29839315
Video gives more credibility, not that I doubt though! Just to confirm everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:03:50 No.29839438 Report

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>>29837589
So will Mega Absol be 110 speed on the first turn then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:04:12 No.29839443 Report

Quoted By: >>29839520

>>29839163
i only got the
>Beat game
>Fight Lana
>50 streak
can you spoonfed me how to fight illima and mallow?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:07:00 No.29839490 Report

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>>29839366
They're trying to make up for the fact the better Ground Dragon got a mega evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:07:53 No.29839503 Report

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>>29839386
Can you get more orbs? I have a need to chain hunt some Intimidate mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:08:14 No.29839520 Report

Quoted By: >>29839538 >>29839569 >>29839673

>>29839443
Illima has a house in the port city. Mallow has a room in the restaurant in Kolikol or whatever it's called and you can only find her there during the day.

>>29839386
I got a +1 speed. Will try to get a picture.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:08:23 No.29839522 Report

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>>29839366
nothing because garchomp still revenges everything with scarf

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:09:04 No.29839538 Report

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>>29839520
thanks a lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:09:57 No.29839569 Report

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>>29839520

Thanks, Anon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:14:19 No.29839673 Report

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>>29839520
I think that's all the testing I'll do for now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:15:42 No.29839704 Report

Quoted By: >>29839865

>>29837842
except that did happen before

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:16:58 No.29839735 Report

Quoted By: >>29839883

CAN COTTON GUARD BANETTE BE TRANSFERRED FROM POKEBANK TO SUN MOON?

PLEASE SAY YES

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:23:27 No.29839865 Report

Quoted By: >>29840086

>>29839704
No it fucking didn't, that was the entire reason why MegaBanette was comparatively non-viable since the day it was introduced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:24:03 No.29839883 Report

Quoted By: >>29839931

>>29839735
Not until January

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:25:12 No.29839909 Report

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>>29837589
Nerf to some, but a buff to more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:26:13 No.29839931 Report

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>>29839883
I meant period. Thought I read something vague about certain event Pokemon no longer being able to be transferred, figured things like Dream World events would be ones to go.

Really hoping for 1st Turn Cotton Guard Prankster Banette.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:29:19 No.29839998 Report

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Can I presume mega stones are post game? Would've considered having Slowbro in my party.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:32:44 No.29840086 Report

Quoted By: >>29840262 >>29840279

>>29839865
He is still competitively non viable. Mega evolving sableye gives the same outcome of 1st turn prankster, that's why he ended up being so good too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:40:38 No.29840262 Report

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>>29840086
But under this Mega Sableye doesn't do that anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:41:09 No.29840279 Report

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>>29840086
>Mega evolving sableye gives the same outcome of 1st turn prankster

Not anymore.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:48:04 No.29840436 Report

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>>29837589
I'm getting more and more hyped with all these buffs, nerfs and changes to battling. Ohmori truly is the hero we need.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 00:53:29 No.29840572 Report

Quoted By: >>29843330

>>29837589
Damn, they just keep fucking everything up don't they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 01:12:00 No.29841001 Report

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>>29839386
>EV training isn't dead this gen
>you can fully EV train a stat in a single battle
thank god

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 01:29:34 No.29841339 Report

Quoted By: >>29841409

>>29838593
how is this a buff to beedrill I don't get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 01:33:16 No.29841409 Report

Quoted By: >>29841442

>>29841339
It doesn't need to use protect as it always had the base 145 speed the Mega has.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 01:35:45 No.29841442 Report

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>>29841409
yeah I got that after I responded, sorry about that it was pretty easy to get

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 02:10:51 No.29842077 Report

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>another buff for my favorite Pokemon and nerf for shit I don't like (Mega Rupee)
Even if the games don't turn out so well, all these adjustments more than make up for it for me. Aerodactyl may already have a great 130 base speed, but using a non-speed boosting nature one in Battle Spot wasn't so convenient since it could absolutely not stay in to Mega Evolve against threats like Greninja.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 02:28:33 No.29842415 Report

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>>29838593
And fell stinger raises the attack drastically instead of sharply.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 02:39:07 No.29842620 Report

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>>29839163
How can you fight Lana?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 03:10:30 No.29843286 Report

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>>29839366
I hope you don't mean to imply mchomp is worth using

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 03:12:53 No.29843330 Report

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>>29840572
>Damn, they just keep fixing everything up don't they?
FTFY

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2016 04:08:00 No.29844463 Report

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>>29839386
Does the orb activate at the same time as abilities like competative or defiant? This could help milotic

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