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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:24:48 No.29870195 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29870214 >>29870240 >>29870320 >>29870470 >>29870584

>Pelipper doesn't learn Thunder

My baby was almost perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:25:28 No.29870214 Report

Quoted By: >>29870243 >>29871363

>>29870195
literally only used as a supportmon why would he have thunder when someone with good spa could

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:26:55 No.29870240 Report

Quoted By: >>29870293

>>29870195
It gets hurricane right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:26:58 No.29870243 Report

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>>29870214
because pelicans sounds like thunder when they smack the water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:28:53 No.29870293 Report

Quoted By: >>29870309 >>29870436

>>29870240
Yes.

I wonder what the distribution of Surf is going to be with no HMs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:29:35 No.29870309 Report

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>>29870293
220 out of 302 Alolan mons can learn it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:30:00 No.29870320 Report

Quoted By: >>29870365

>>29870195
U-turn
Scald
Hurricane
Roost

I dont see any room for Thunder anyway...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:32:32 No.29870365 Report

Quoted By: >>29870390 >>29870459 >>29870466

>>29870320
Knock Off would probably be better than Roost or Hurricane

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:33:54 No.29870390 Report

Quoted By: >>29870466

>>29870365
Maybe, but roost needs to stay, its the only weather setter with a move like roost/recover

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:35:57 No.29870436 Report

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>>29870293

Surf is a TM now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:37:03 No.29870459 Report

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>>29870365

>Not using STAB 100% accurate Hurricane

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:37:20 No.29870466 Report

Quoted By: >>29870585

>>29870390
>>29870365
u-turn also needs to stay for mementum

It also gets Defog

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:37:28 No.29870470 Report

Quoted By: >>29870514 >>29870563 >>29874346

>>29870195
why would a fucking waterbird learn THUNDER?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:38:37 No.29870495 Report

Quoted By: >>29870572 >>29873656 >>29874181 >>29874227

>Pelipper is viable as an OU mon
>Mantine is viable as an OU mon
>Talonflame is pretty much a shitmon at this point

What parallel universe am I living in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:39:24 No.29870514 Report

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>>29870470

It can learn Shock Wave for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:40:01 No.29870531 Report

Quoted By: >>29870585 >>29870761 >>29870762 >>29871206

Why did Pelipper and Torkoal get Drizzle and Drought and not Wailord and Camerupt, the original Mini-Kyogre/Groudon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:41:03 No.29870563 Report

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>>29870470
So it can be fun to use in game

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:41:32 No.29870569 Report

Quoted By: >>29870601

>Megas now get their speed boost immediately
>Set up Drizzle with Pelipper, U-turn out to Swampert
>Mega Evolve

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:41:42 No.29870572 Report

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>>29870495
>Those sweet Mantine buffs
What a time to DOOT DOOT DOOT your way to victory

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:42:13 No.29870584 Report

Quoted By: >>29870600 >>29870612

>>29870195
Bros, did Pelipper get Drizzle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:42:15 No.29870585 Report

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>>29870466
Defog is only obtainable from Gen 4, though, making it rare outside of simulators.

>>29870531
Now I feel sad; Wailord is more or less PU Kyorge with Water Spout spam too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:43:05 No.29870600 Report

Quoted By: >>29870608 >>29870674 >>29870681

>>29870584
Yes. Yes it did.

And Torkoal got Drought, Gigalith got Sand Stream, and Vanniluxe got Snow Warning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:43:11 No.29870601 Report

Quoted By: >>29870772 >>29870781 >>29871243 >>29871272

>>29870569
It's not immediate, their stats apply before turn order, but turn order is determined before moves are executed so Swampert is unaffected

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:43:32 No.29870608 Report

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>>29870600
Ninetails also got Snow Warning

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:43:34 No.29870612 Report

Quoted By: >>29870674

>>29870584
Yes, it's not even a HA ability either.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:46:41 No.29870674 Report

Quoted By: >>29870704 >>29870711

>>29870600
>>29870612
Fucking A.

Looking forward to using Wingull in LC more desu.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:46:59 No.29870681 Report

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>>29870600

We also got a mon with Cloud Nine whose stats aren't complete shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:47:48 No.29870704 Report

Quoted By: >>29870735 >>29870774

>>29870674
I think Wingull has Swift Swim, actually. Only the final evolutions of the new weather mons have the abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:48:02 No.29870711 Report

Quoted By: >>29870735

>>29870674

Wingull doesn't get Drizzle, it gets Hydration, which turns into Drizzle when it evolves.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:49:36 No.29870735 Report

Quoted By: >>29870758

>>29870704
>>29870711

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:50:52 No.29870758 Report

Quoted By: >>29870767

>>29870735
Yeah, sorry. If it makes you feel any better, Pelipper also got 10+ to its Special Attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:51:13 No.29870761 Report

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>>29870531
As happy as I am that torkoal got drought, drought camerupt would be awesome. Come in, set up the sun, mega evolve, and melt shit with fire blast for five turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:51:18 No.29870762 Report

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>>29870531
camerupt has a mega
wailord got cucked

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:51:25 No.29870767 Report

Quoted By:

>>29870758
it does...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:51:50 No.29870772 Report

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>>29870601
No, abilities are applied before turn order. Meaning if there is rain swift swim speed will determine order.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:52:01 No.29870774 Report

Quoted By: >>29871159

>>29870704

Yeah

>Wingull: Hydration
>Pelipper: Drizzle

>Torkoal: Drought

>Roggenrola: Weak Armor
>Boldore: Weak Armor
>Gigalith: Sand Stream

>Vanillite: Snow Cloak
>Vanillish: Snow Cloak
>Vanilluxe: Snow Warning

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:52:25 No.29870781 Report

Quoted By:

>>29870601
source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:52:26 No.29870782 Report

Quoted By: >>29870852

>mfw Assault Vest Sand Stream Gigalith

delicious. My ass vest Gigalith on my sand team was already eating grass knots and hydrop pumps without even dropping below 50%

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 04:56:40 No.29870852 Report

Quoted By: >>29871088

>>29870782
What's the game plan? Assvest Tyranitar was hyped early XY and it turned out shitty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:01:55 No.29870975 Report

Quoted By: >>29870997 >>29871256 >>29871340

I kind of want to do my ingame team with Weather users now.

Pelipper with Scald/Surf and Hurricane (Wish it got Thunder)
Torkoal with Flamethrower and Solar Beam

Gigalith doesn't really get anything from having Sandstorm around though, Could have a Sand Force user, but that seems unnecessary for an ingame team

Don't know weather to use Vanilluxe or Ninetails though. Ninetails if getting HAs is possible, otherwise Vanilluxe

Also throw a Thunder User in I guess. Raichu maybe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:03:18 No.29870997 Report

Quoted By: >>29871029

>>29870975
Gigalith becomes a solid tank with great attack and defenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:04:42 No.29871029 Report

Quoted By: >>29871077 >>29873874

>>29870997
In-game is usually best played Hyper Offensively though, isn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:05:50 No.29871049 Report

Quoted By: >>29871077 >>29871125

Are there any changes to Weathers this Generation? Does hail Buff any stat like Sandstorm does?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:07:03 No.29871077 Report

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>>29871029
You can do whatever you want, really.

>>29871049
Slush Rush was given to A-Sandslash and Bearartic, which is basically Hail Swift Swim.
Aurora Veil is also only useable during a Hail as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:07:32 No.29871088 Report

Quoted By: >>29871132 >>29871147

>>29870852
So far, mindgames mostly

absolutely no one expects Gigalith to eat a special move and keep on trucking, so its useful for drawing aggro in Doubles and various shenigains. I'm aware its not the best, and Sand Stream prevents it from taking based Sand Force, but I'm a fan of uncommon tactics

also, fun fact. Scarfed Vanilluxe. Modest. Snow Warning Blizzard.

OHKO's Dragonite through Multiscale. Espeed doesnt even drop an uninvested Vanilluxe to half. the ONLY dragon that outspeeds is scarfed Hydreigon, and its Draco Meteor does 90% at the most

glorious ice cream meta here to completely obliterate dragons.

Is there an ice-type defogger/spinner?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:09:11 No.29871125 Report

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>>29871049
We got lots of new weather setters this gen, new weather-based abilities such as slush rush, and mons that help weather teams out a lot like the Tapus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:09:25 No.29871132 Report

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>>29871088
Avalugg, Crygonal, and A-Sandslash have Rapid Spin. Delibird and Articuno have Defog I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:10:41 No.29871147 Report

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>>29871088
Cryogonal but you're probably better off using Starmie or Beauty (who spams Blizzard and offers Fighting/Bug coverage)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:11:16 No.29871159 Report

Quoted By: >>29871184

>>29870774
>Gigalith is a cancerous TRADE EVOLUTION
fuck off Game Freak seriously

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:12:52 No.29871184 Report

Quoted By: >>29871202

>>29871159
Almost everyone I know, In Uni or not, plays Pokemon, it's not hard to find someone to Trade with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:14:12 No.29871202 Report

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>>29871184
I think it's less about finding another 3DS to trade with (though that's a legit concern) and more about how much unnecessary formalities it takes to evolve it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:14:44 No.29871206 Report

Quoted By:

>>29870531
drought+growth mega camerupt would be amazing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:16:45 No.29871243 Report

Quoted By:

>>29870601
You're wrong. Megas and their abilities activate before turn order is decided now.

Mega Swampert will be a lot better now that you don't have to pre-evolve it to sweep in the rain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:17:24 No.29871256 Report

Quoted By: >>29871295

>>29870975
>Also throw a Thunder User in I guess. Raichu maybe?
Topo Keku for the boosted Thunder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:18:24 No.29871272 Report

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>>29870601
There's a video that proves that a level 10 Banette mega evolves and uses its Prankster to use Substitute before a level 43 Execcute hits it, so that's definitely debunked

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:19:58 No.29871295 Report

Quoted By: >>29871323

>>29871256
>Topo Keku
Unavailable until Postgame

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:21:58 No.29871323 Report

Quoted By:

>>29871295
Well, yeah, but it's an option when you get there.

Raichu then for Alolan representation and some shiny Psychic STAB

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:22:53 No.29871340 Report

Quoted By:

>>29870975
You can get HAs by chaining called mons

Vanilluxe is probably better for in-game since it hits a lot harder, although Light Clay Aurora Veil is insane no matter what

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 05:24:14 No.29871363 Report

Quoted By: >>29872158

>>29870214
It has 95 spa now, Hurricane is going to sting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 06:20:20 No.29872158 Report

Quoted By: >>29872235

>>29871363
Not really since anything under 100 is under average at best and Pelipper is going off uninvested attacks, but yeah it'll help against annoying grasses like Amoonguss that like to soak up Waters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 06:25:10 No.29872235 Report

Quoted By: >>29872346 >>29874030

>>29872158
>anything under 100 is under average at best
Talonflame has less attack than Meganium.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 06:35:52 No.29872346 Report

Quoted By: >>29872356 >>29872361 >>29872366

>>29872235
I'm talking mainly about Speed and Talonflame is carried mostly by its access to high base power moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 06:36:52 No.29872356 Report

Quoted By: >>29872404 >>29872405

>>29872346
>high base power moves.
Like Hurricane?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 06:37:07 No.29872361 Report

Quoted By:

>>29872346
SpA*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 06:37:23 No.29872366 Report

Quoted By: >>29872404 >>29872405

>>29872346
High base power moves like perhaps Hurricane and rain boosted Scald?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 06:40:31 No.29872404 Report

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>>29872366
>>29872356
Ahem, AND investment AND setup moves which Pelipper clearly won't use unless you want soaked dead birds for dinner

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 06:40:31 No.29872405 Report

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>>29872356
>>29872366
Not that guy, but while I agree most things aren't gonna enjoy taking a Scald or Hurricane, it's not completely fair to compare Pelipper to TF since one actually invests into attack while the other does not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 07:28:22 No.29872960 Report

Quoted By: >>29873070

So if I speed swap something with high speed onto vikavolt and then switch to pelliper I'd have an awesome doubles offense by turn 2?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 07:38:28 No.29873070 Report

Quoted By:

>>29872960
Yes but that's assuming you have two free turns to actually perform anything that perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 08:42:22 No.29873656 Report

Quoted By:

>>29870495
The best possible one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 09:05:07 No.29873874 Report

Quoted By:

>>29871029
Don't forget it still has base 135 attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 09:22:10 No.29874030 Report

Quoted By:

>>29872235
And Talonflame is complete shit. Your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 09:39:55 No.29874181 Report

Quoted By: >>29874277

>>29870495
Who should Mantine pair up with? Ferrorthorn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 09:46:12 No.29874227 Report

Quoted By:

>>29870495
Both Peli and Mantine die horrible to Tapu Koko though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 09:54:23 No.29874277 Report

Quoted By:

>>29874181
Yeah, mantine resist fire and fighthing meanwhile ferro resist electric and rock, they work well with the other.
But shit like Thunder Punch Infernape/ZardX can break the core

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2016 10:04:44 No.29874346 Report

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>>29870470
What did you say you little shit?

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