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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 15:22:17 No.29928484 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29929342 >>29929966 >>29931790 >>29932652 >>29933212 >>29935933 >>29936108 >>29936135

For the uninitiated
-ARORA dex only (pic related)
-UBs are legal, banned pokemon are Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Zygarde, Magearna and Marshadow, (also Cosmog and Cosmoem lmao)
-doubles 4v4, species clause, item clause
-regionals start fucking two weeks after launch lmao

Given this, we ask what's viable, what's dominant, how things are countered and what will trigger Verlis the most at this event which he has never attended yet still complains about cheating in.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 15:25:24 No.29928544 Report

Quoted By: >>29928679

Anyone know what will be the most common threats in this years meta? Tapus and Chomp aside.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 15:25:42 No.29928548 Report

Quoted By: >>29928714

>regionals start two weeks after launch
>two weeks
Hacker trap?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 15:33:38 No.29928679 Report

Quoted By: >>29929420 >>29929494 >>29933207 >>29933584

>>29928544
Tapus and Chomp. Literally every team will run at least one Tapu, many will run two (but generally only bring one into battle)

Metagross is an underrated sleeper threat with good anti-tapu matchups and it benefits from rain. Salamence is still good even with Tapu spam. Porygon2 and Slowbro are the best TR setters in the meta and TR will be quite good. If HAs are released Incineroar will be very good.

As far as the Tapu go, Koko/Lele are overrated and Bulu/Fini are underrated. What people fail to understand is that in weather wars being slower is actually good sometimes because the slower weather stays on the field. So in a lead matchup Grassy > Misty > Psychic > Electric in terms of what sticks.

Xurkitree+Bulu is the best offensive core I've seen suggested so far. Garchomp has to run poison jab or non Jolly nature and fire blast for Bulu, standard chomp does absolutely fucking nothing to Bulu and Bulu will OHKO non-defensively invested sets with wood hammer in grassy terrain. With some defensive investment Xurkitree doesn't even die to chomp EQ and with scarf and a few speed EVs outspeeds max speed Koko.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 15:35:40 No.29928714 Report

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>>29928548
tcpi has never really cared about hackers who aren't doing obviously illegal shit. If it passes the hack check it's legal as far as they're concerned.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 16:18:03 No.29929342 Report

Quoted By: >>29935982

>>29928484
>nobody ever mentions dhelmise

3 STAB, good matchup on Tapus, very high attack, good TR speed tier. Solid pokemon. Cloud Nine Drampa is also a good way for TR teams to deal with weather.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 16:22:51 No.29929420 Report

Quoted By: >>29929576

>>29928679
That's when you combine Lele with TR to protect the slower TR setter (Oranguru) or you can go for Bruxish with the speed, switch out Lele and switch it back in later when you need to defend from priority. It's simple.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 16:27:08 No.29929494 Report

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>>29928679
And here I thought I was gonna be somewhat unique with my bulu/xurkitree/metagross rain team. At least I know it's got potential now.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 16:30:17 No.29929541 Report

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Does anyone here wants to battle?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 16:32:15 No.29929576 Report

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>>29929420
Or just leave Lele in the backline completely and when you predict a fake out on your TR setter, switch it in and block it.

Switching is usually avoided in doubles because it's too passive but a switch that effectively blocks a move like that incurs zero negative momentum. Only issue is Lele is a bit too fast to be good in TR and TR setters are often a bit passive themselves (exception being PG2).

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 16:53:59 No.29929966 Report

Quoted By: >>29930641

>>29928484
Muk and Marowak have some serious potential, don't underestimate these niggas

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 16:58:22 No.29930052 Report

Quoted By: >>29930539 >>29930641

How might Entrainment/Wide Guard Araquanid + Golisopod fare on rain teams?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 17:27:58 No.29930539 Report

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>>29930052
Eh, it sounds good on paper, but you only get four mons and you're just wasting a slot with araquanid. Pelliper sets rain and gets wide guard, and you might as well just run another attacker than trying to power up golisopod. He also shares golisopod's type so it doesn't really bring anything new to the table.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 17:31:48 No.29930614 Report

Quoted By: >>29930654 >>29930742

Smeargle still seems somewhat viable even without Dark Void.
>Instruct
>Fake Out
>that Poison Spiky Shield move that Toxapex learns
>Follow Me

Still has some decent tools and access to the ever so annoying Moody.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 17:33:23 No.29930641 Report

Quoted By: >>29931561 >>29936351

>>29929966
Muk is kind of garbage mostly because there aren't that many good abilities to pass to him, but he does have one of two STAB knock offs in the meta. If there were huge power users in the meta he'd be pretty good. Marowak A is actually very good though since there aren't many lightningrod users in the meta, and he resists Xurkitree's best coverage options.

Because Marowak and Metagross are good, Weavile will also be an option worth considering, FO+STAB Knock Off is always nice to have when there are spooky ghosts or psychic types around. Unfortunately it's kind of hindered by the fairyspam and can't hit Lele SE with knock off due to its dual typing.

>>29930052
Good in theory but in practice, most of the pokemon who want water bubble are also water types so you'll be running a bit water heavy in a meta where Koko/Xurk will be major threats and PG2 can also carry Discharge.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 17:34:09 No.29930654 Report

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>>29930614
Yeah, it'll still be viable, just not nearly as dominant, and thank god for that.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 17:37:49 No.29930720 Report

Quoted By: >>29930765 >>29930873

I kinda want to run Scizor in this. Anything I need to watch for aside from anti-priority stuff? Chances are I'll be running Fini with it.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 17:38:50 No.29930742 Report

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>>29930614
It's still usable, but only if you absolutely need some unique combination of support moves. Clefairy / Clefable are so much better at support + redirection that you should definitely try them first.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 17:40:19 No.29930765 Report

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>>29930720
You might want to bring rain with it, since fini alone isn't enough to handle fire types if they have sun support. Or you could bring a rock/ground type to smack them regardless of weather.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 17:47:12 No.29930873 Report

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>>29930720
Fini is the right choice for the swagger support. Pelliper is good for setting rain. Might want to carry a non-prio steel move for Lele. TR support could also be useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 18:02:11 No.29931176 Report

Quoted By: >>29931282

So is spotlight just a follow me clone?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 18:08:00 No.29931282 Report

Quoted By: >>29931691

>>29931176
Spotlight is really meant for battle royales, it doesn't do much in doubles. If you spotlight your ally, both opponents attack into them. If you spotlight an opponent, your ally attacks them but your other opponent is unaffected. You can't spotlight yourself.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 18:20:58 No.29931561 Report

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>>29930641
You're underestimate how bulky Muk is and just how little the Tapus want to take a Gunk Shot, and you can meme the fuck out of teams not packing Smart Strike Katana with Minimise

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 18:28:29 No.29931691 Report

Quoted By: >>29931779

>>29931282
Ah shit. Well there goes shiinotic as my redirector then. Guess i'm back to clefairy.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 18:34:04 No.29931779 Report

Quoted By: >>29931875

>>29931691
You could use Spotlight on your own Toxapex in Doubles so both opponents hit Baneful Bunker.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 18:34:48 No.29931790 Report

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>>29928484
You forgot to mention that Megas are banned.
So no Mega Alakazam, Gengar, Kangaskhan, Slowbro, Scizor, Sableye, Sharpedo, Absol, Glacie, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, or Lucario, despite being in the Regional Dex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 18:39:56 No.29931875 Report

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>>29931779
Yeah, that could be interesting. I might try that out if I make a pure rain team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 18:48:38 No.29932014 Report

Quoted By: >>29932057

Porygon Z should be strong in this year's format.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 18:51:00 No.29932057 Report

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>>29932014
literally why

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 18:54:10 No.29932125 Report

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>third version game / remakes come out
>yfw genies allowed again

You know it will happen eventually

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:03:04 No.29932269 Report

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Oh boy who's ready for Tapus of Healthy Metagame: The Movie: The Experience

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:07:44 No.29932346 Report

Quoted By: >>29932670

>>29932057
Z-Conversion is a +1 to every stat.
No Megas or extremely OP Pokemon in the format to wreck it.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:16:54 No.29932565 Report

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question: which z move are you planning to use on your team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:21:28 No.29932652 Report

Quoted By: >>29933152

>>29928484
Definitely going to be more creative with most VGC staples not usable for this gen, hopefully it'll be just as good as 2014.

The DV nerf for smeargle and not hitmontop are gonna leave a spot wide open for support, I'm seeing Klefki taking up that mantle with crafty shield/Reflect and Lightscreen support.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:22:46 No.29932670 Report

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>>29932346
Pheremosa

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:26:23 No.29932747 Report

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Golisopod.
With only 4 mons, and 2 of them on-field at a time, the ability doesn't fucking matter anymore.

Toxapex, because Balefunker Bunker.
Terrain Wars.
Comfey DKs everything and absorbs health left and right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:47:26 No.29933152 Report

Quoted By: >>29933165

>>29932652
>DV nerf
Explain. The picture is hard to scan so I can't tell if Smearg is in the dex or not.

Do you guys think terrain will see good usage this season?

>Tournies two weeks after launch
Glad to see they want to kill support so fast

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:48:23 No.29933165 Report

Quoted By: >>29933193 >>29933254

>>29933152
>Explain
DV now has 50% Accuracy, what is there to explain?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:50:23 No.29933193 Report

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>>29933165
didn't know
has someone compiled all the changes?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:51:43 No.29933207 Report

Quoted By: >>29933248 >>29933298 >>29933635 >>29933654

>>29928679
Stop exaggerating the Tapus.

Fini and Bulu are fucking trash ass garbage.

Koko is barely mediocre, easily countered, shit movepool, weak SpA.

Tapu Lele is a God-pokemon that will be banned to uber in 2 days.

There is only 1 fucking good Tapu. The ultra beasts are much better.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:51:56 No.29933212 Report

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>>29928484
Are we sure this is the final dex? Is Swablu not in?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:53:42 No.29933248 Report

Quoted By: >>29933438

>>29933207
t. sub 1200 shitter

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:53:50 No.29933254 Report

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>>29933165
and it's only usable by darkrai apparently

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:53:53 No.29933256 Report

Quoted By: >>29935865

>>29929576
>Switching is usually avoided in doubles because it's too passive
..ever watch VGC?

the guy whose entire team strategy revolved around constantly switching won worlds last year scrub.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:56:03 No.29933298 Report

Quoted By: >>29933428

>>29933207
We may be exaggerating a bit, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:03:52 No.29933428 Report

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>>29933298
does anybody? game is only in the hands of some pirates

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:04:18 No.29933438 Report

Quoted By: >>29933507 >>29933537

>>29933248
I'm 1200 but you're the guy who thinks Xurkitree and Bulu is "the best offensive core ever" when A-Muk and A-Marowak don't give a single shit about either one of them, and they'll be some of the cookie cutter anti-legendary pokemon of vgc.

Millions of basic openings don't give a single shit about Xurkitree + Bulu.
You're also overestimating the usefulness of Grassy Terrain, which doesn't do shit. Wow, Bulu wins the Terrain wars by being slower. That's really fucking cool dude, too bad about the fact that it fucking dies before it gets to use moves. Also doesn't get fairy STAB besides dazzling gleam (lmfao).

A-Marowak by itself invalidates everything you just said. So does Togedemaru, who will become popular when people realize how good it is.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:08:31 No.29933507 Report

Quoted By: >>29933530

>>29933438
>Grassy Terrain doesn't do shit
It literally and objectively does more than any other terrain

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:09:35 No.29933530 Report

Quoted By: >>29933587

>>29933507
K how you going to use it champ? Specific examples.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:10:07 No.29933537 Report

Quoted By: >>29933598

>>29933438
I do agree with you regarding the Xurkitree and Bulu stuff though. It's decent but that's about it.

>Muk and A-Marowak don't give a single shit about either one of them
Things have weaknesses, more at eleven.

>So does Togedemaru, who will become popular when people realize how good it is.
Oh, it's you again. No wonder you are such a shitter.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:12:16 No.29933584 Report

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>>29928679
Just use alolan Marowak to beat Bulu and wires lmao

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:12:19 No.29933587 Report

Quoted By: >>29933701

>>29933530
On a bulky/stall team for added recovery? With electric mons to negate EQ weakness? To make grass a not so shitty offensive type? I'm not gonna spoon feed examples just because you can't be bothered to think about it for a second. But hey, it doesn't make your pokemon a super fast sweeper so it must be shit right?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:12:45 No.29933598 Report

Quoted By: >>29933636 >>29935938

>>29933537
>Things have weaknesses, more at eleven.
When your weaknesses are going to be one of the top 5 most popular pokemon in the entire meta then yeah it's more than "oh my pokemon has weaknesses xD"
When your entire "offensive core" is invalidated by just one of them, then yeah it's more than just "oh my pokemon has weaknesses xD lol nobody is perfect ;)"

>Oh, it's you again. No wonder you are such a shitter.
Togedemaru can do Raichu's job better than he could last year when he was on half of the top 10 finalists at Worlds.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:14:34 No.29933635 Report

Quoted By: >>29933842

>>29933207
Lele learns like 0 moves and is hard countered by Marowak and AV krookodile

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:14:39 No.29933636 Report

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>>29933598
>A-Muk and A-Marowak
>Top 5 of the meta
I hope you are referring to Garchomp here m8.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:15:20 No.29933654 Report

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>>29933207
>tapu lele banned to uber in 2 days.

this is vgc not smogon, move along kiddo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:17:50 No.29933701 Report

Quoted By: >>29934266

>>29933587
>>29933587
>On a bulky/stall team for added recovery?
Have fun with that in a meta dominated by mons that have 181 in Atk and 173 SpA.

>With electric mons to negate EQ weakness?

There are 2 relevant Electric mons and 1 of them enjoys electric terrain more, and can't do anything without it.

> To make grass a not so shitty offensive type?
Putting Grassy Terrain down isn't going to stop Grass moves from being resisted by 7 different types. There also isn't a single relevant attacking Grass pokemon, or any relevant Grass pokemon at all for that matter. M-Venusaur and Mow-Rotom are banned, so you have no excuse to run Grassy Terrain. It is fucking useless.

> I'm not gonna spoon feed examples
Yeah because you have none. I have thought about it for a second, which is more than I can say for you.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:24:57 No.29933842 Report

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>>29933635
Do you want to rethink that? They do the same damage to each other and that's after you specifically make Krookodile an Epic Lele Counter.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:43:09 No.29934266 Report

Quoted By: >>29934682

>>29933701
>Have fun with that in a meta dominated by mons that have 181 in Atk and 173 SpA
And whats better than a mon with 173 SpA? A mon with 173 SpA and no weakness outside of Mudsdale and a Sandcastle.

Xurkitree does not need the electric terrain boost, it's going to nuke things either way. What it does appreciate is the defensive support due to iffy bulk.

And of course grass isn't going to be great, but a 50% boost helps it get over some of those resistances.

But no, grassy terrain is useless. So what other terrain should we use? Electric terrain? You get a boost to electric moves when none of the major threats need it and sleep immunity in a meta without dark void. Misty terrain? Halved dragon moves isn't all that game changing and your opponent gets the same status immunity. Psychic Terrain is admittedly pretty good, but immunity to priority can and should be worked around since there's so many things that fucked it over this gen.

I'm not trying to say grassy terrain is the best move in the game, but it's far from useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:46:37 No.29934343 Report

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Scarf Politoed + Tapu Koko combo could be interesting with rain and Electric Terrain going up simultaneously for boosted Thunders. not sure if there is a good counter in the dex currently haven't gotten too deep into it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:02:01 No.29934682 Report

Quoted By: >>29934847 >>29934968

>>29934266
Alakazam outspeeds and 2HKOs while Xurkitree only 2HKOs back.

Trevenant walls it entirely.

A-Muk nearly OHKOs with Gunk Shot and is not bothered by anything it does.

Parasect walls it and redirects all of its moves with Rage Powder. It has to carry HP Fire to do anything to it and if it has HP Fire then it is walled by other pokemon.

I could go on but it's really boring. Xurkitree is alright but it's not the god pokemon you're thinking it is and it certainly doesn't justify bringing an absolute shitmon like Tapu Bulu to "set up" for it.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:05:04 No.29934749 Report

Quoted By: >>29935053 >>29935528

so /vp/, which z move are you planning to use on your vgc team?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:09:17 No.29934847 Report

Quoted By: >>29934990 >>29935053

>fucking loved this thing the moment I saw it
>still thinking on how it would function

It depends on what you let it switch into to boost. In doubles, it would likely need a Comfey with Triage to keep it from being absolutely destroyed. This thing also gets Dazzling Gleam and Energy Ball, so it's got excellent coverage except against something like Reshiram. It'd frankly be all about keeping it alive to sweep for it to function in Doubles, and I'm not sure it can last with a Life Orb on it against powerhouse after powerhouse its gonna be up against. Then there's >>29934682 that list. You really have to watch the fuck out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:13:57 No.29934968 Report

Quoted By: >>29935048

>>29934682
This is doubles. Alakazam may be fast and strong too, but the "absolute shitmon" Bulu ohkos it with horn leech, even with no ATK investment, negative nature, and 0 ATK IV. Oh, and it's immune to rage powder. Bulu hits like a truck.

And I'm not gonna argue that Xukitree has some hard counters, but that's what the other 4 mons and team preview are for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:14:58 No.29934990 Report

Quoted By: >>29935040

>>29934847
That list assumes Scarf Xurkitree, which is its only viable item (it was supposed to be Scarf Alakazam my bad)

If you assume Life Orb, the list increases exponentially. The number of things that can outspeed it and kill it or seriously damage it is big. Garchomp is the most important example. On that note, I think ScarfChomp is coming back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:16:26 No.29935040 Report

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>>29934990
That's also a good point. I had forgotten Garchomp in the listing until just after I posted, but yes, Garchomp could mess it up really bad.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:16:41 No.29935048 Report

Quoted By: >>29935078 >>29935148

>>29934968
>weedle used poison sting!

there goes Bulu.

We'll just have to see how this plays out. No point in arguing about it now. You can have your shit team with shitmons on it like Bulu while everyone else runs goodmons like Lele and Pheromosa.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:16:50 No.29935053 Report

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>>29934847
the thing is, scarf on an electric type is pretty bad because you can't just mindlessly spam your stab without being hard countered. Also, 173 SpAtk without high BP moves or strong spreads isn't really that impressive.
>>29934749
I guess I'll try to use it as a pseudo-gem ala genV or try out something hilarious like z-splash Gyarados.

I'm putting my bet on sand doing well. Then I'm goin to get wrecked and restart from scratch in a month.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:17:48 No.29935078 Report

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>>29935048
>There's no point in arguing it now
>It's still a shitmon btw :^)
What a passive aggressive little bitch you are.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:21:04 No.29935148 Report

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>>29935048
>shitmon used shitmove
Well we've devolved into memes now

>No point in arguing about it now
At least we can agree on something then

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:37:16 No.29935528 Report

Quoted By: >>29935705

>>29934749
Z-Draco Meteor with Mence
Z-Steel with Metagross to avoid getting buttfucked by Knock Off and to kill Tapus hard.

Nothing else looks decent desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:43:39 No.29935705 Report

Quoted By: >>29935970 >>29936599

>>29935528
prepare for a lot of people switching in Fini for Salamence and a "protect" to absolutely minimise the damage. Since there are so many Fairies this year Salamence will have a hard time.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:49:50 No.29935865 Report

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>>29933256
That was because of primal weather wars, do YOU actually watch VGC or just jumped in the bandwagon last Worlds?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:52:40 No.29935933 Report

Quoted By: >>29936016 >>29936209 >>29937289

>>29928484
People say Weather Wars is going to be big, but I don't know. What weathers and terrain combinations are good?

Sandstorm seems bad, Hail seems bad, Sunny Day seems bad due to lack of Chlorophyll sweepers, Rain seems bad due to lack of Kingdra and other Swift Swim options.... What's left? There is no way to really abuse the weather condition. Feel free to prove me wrong or point out something I'm not seeing. I'm asking a real question because I don't know what to do with the weather once I set it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:52:53 No.29935938 Report

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>>29933598
Raichu was good last year solely because of the primals, support Pokémon were far more important because the primals had enough offensive pressure to win games the main goal was to support them and let them win for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:53:53 No.29935967 Report

Quoted By: >>29936001 >>29936452

Are you limited to a certain number of Tapus or UBs on your team? If not, those fuckers are more OP than megas ever were.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:54:04 No.29935970 Report

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>>29935705
Pack a fairy killer alongside him or another Tapu to remove Misty. Problem solved.

Mence brings way too much sheer utility to not used, same as Garchomp. Tapus or not people will still use them because they are that good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:54:29 No.29935982 Report

Quoted By: >>29936007

>>29929342
The problem is that you won't ever get TR up because this meta will be so offensively based. There are no TR setters and the ones that do exist simply die to Pheromosa or whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:55:17 No.29936001 Report

Quoted By: >>29936519

>>29935967
>implies UBs are not just glass canons who often go down to unboosted attacks..

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:55:30 No.29936007 Report

Quoted By: >>29936140

>>29935982
>because this meta will be so offensively based
People literally say this every year without fail.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:55:57 No.29936016 Report

Quoted By: >>29936054

>>29935933
When bank hits, I think weather will be a lot more popular than it was sixth gen. But, I don't think it will reach gen 5 levels without perma weather.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:57:03 No.29936054 Report

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>>29936016
>bank
>Alola dex only

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:58:37 No.29936095 Report

Quoted By: >>29936588

WHAT THE FUCK I THOUGHT KINGLER WAS IN THIS GAME

HE HAS NEVER BEEN IN A REGIONAL DEX SINCE GEN 2

WHY DOES MY BRO KEEP GETTING SHAFTED SO MUCH?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:59:03 No.29936108 Report

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>>29928484
I'm trying to find a way to use Muk Power of Alchemy (copies dead ally's ability).

What are the options? I can't think of anything good to give him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:59:55 No.29936135 Report

Quoted By: >>29936185

>>29928484
what are the prizes for winning these things?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:00:05 No.29936140 Report

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>>29936007
And they've been "L I T E R A L L Y" correct for the past 5 years. Unless you don't think a meta involving primal groudon, primal kyogre,

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:01:41 No.29936185 Report

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>>29936135
money/scholarships/travel awards

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:02:35 No.29936209 Report

Quoted By: >>29936320

>>29935933
alola dugtrio has base 110 speed and 110 atk with sand force. It is pretty much an Excadrill variant, and I can see it doing well.
Rain will always be good because water is good, Ice will be bad because Ice is bad, Sun was only good because CharY was amazing.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:07:01 No.29936320 Report

Quoted By: >>29936343

>>29936209
Adug only has 100 speed. Only reg dugtrio has 110.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:07:48 No.29936343 Report

Quoted By: >>29937710

>>29936320
isn't regular dugtrio 120 and alola 110?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:08:11 No.29936351 Report

Quoted By: >>29936372

>>29930641
>Muk is kind of garbage
I feel like there is a unintended joke here.

>Unfortunately it's kind of hindered by the fairyspam and can't hit Lele SE with knock off due to its dual typing.
More like it's hindered by Knock Off being illegal on it, it has to rely on Night Slash.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:09:26 No.29936372 Report

Quoted By: >>29936599

>>29936351
Can't Weavile use Throat Chop now? It's not Knock Off but it's better than Night Slash.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:13:42 No.29936452 Report

Quoted By: >>29936519

>>29935967
But they each have two stats jacked up to a legendary-esque extreme, often speed and an offensive stat, both beyond the scope of your average mere mega. When I first saw Phermosa's stats, I mean shit, that thing could sweep a lot of teams without setting up.

Now, I haven't gotten my hands on SM yet and probably won't until a couple weeks after official release, so I guess what I should be doing now is going through the banlist, familiarizing myself completely with all the new mechanics and new "Pokémon"...

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:15:56 No.29936507 Report

Quoted By: >>29936724

>greninja has the gen 7 pentagon (aka the black cross)
>it's not from the alola dex so it can't be used online

nigga when I'm supposed to use it then?
in gen 6?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:16:21 No.29936519 Report

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>>29936452
>>29936001
Samefag here, meant to quote you, not myself. Der.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:19:52 No.29936588 Report

Quoted By: >>29936679

>>29936095
>Kingler isn't in the game
What the FUCK? I thought it was bullshit when he didn't get an Alola form but this is just barbaric.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:20:21 No.29936599 Report

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>>29936372
Seems like it is a new egg move for Sneasel yeah, it'll probably be the new go to for it's Dark STAB.

>>29935705
It'll have a hard time but you'll still see plenty of Mence simply because it is still one of the best Intimidators available.

I mean your best Intimidate options at the moment are still Mence, Krookodile, Stoutland, Staraptor, Gyarados, Granbull and Mence does stand out the most from those.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:23:36 No.29936679 Report

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>>29936588
So what's the deal anyway? Until January, does the data for all these absent mons literally just not exist in the software? Will the data for hundreds of species be released as a patch?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:25:33 No.29936724 Report

Quoted By: >>29936917 >>29937281

>>29936507
When Bank is available, you hacker fuck.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:26:25 No.29936744 Report

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Hi /vp/ bros, I've been around for some time and am really interested in getting into the VGC with Alola, what all do I have to do? Rating battles? Sign ups? Go to actual VGC tourney?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:30:47 No.29936852 Report

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>>29936744
Register at Play! Pokemon to get a actual ID which lets you attend tournaments, you end up linking it to your Global Link Account where your game is registered.

Go to actual physical VGC tournaments for the highest qualifictaion point payouts and cash if you are really good, there is a event locator on the Play! Pokemon site which shows upcoming official tournaments and etc.

There are occasionally online tournaments which also pay out points but these are fairly small.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:33:16 No.29936917 Report

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>>29936724
It's BB Greninja from the demo, are you blind or just retard?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:36:40 No.29937001 Report

Quoted By: >>29937155 >>29937817 >>29938144

I feel like my bro Aerodactyl is a shitmon now because no mega and the speedy UBs.

Is it still remotely worth running a Dactyl? I was thinking since he won't outspeed the really fast competition even with full investment and helpful nature, and he can probably outspeed the majority of slowmons in the dex with little or no investment. I was thinking it might be workable to run a bulky offensive build (HP and Atk investment) w/rock slide, brave bird (does he even learn this?), roost, protect...

Even as I type this it's not sounding worth it.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:42:40 No.29937155 Report

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>>29937001
Follow up question if anyone knows: did they reverse the mechanic change from gen VI where held items like razor fang and King's rock no longer could stacked flinch chance with moves like rock slide?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:47:17 No.29937281 Report

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>>29936724
>bank gets available
>vgc 2107 rules magically change

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:47:31 No.29937289 Report

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>>29935933
Rain will always be good.

You've got Hurricane, Thunder who all love their rain support as much as much as any water mon. Swift swim users still exist just not as powerful ones Poliwrath, Golduck, Mantine. Point anyway is Rain has always been versatile there is probably something someone has overlooked. Tapu Koko + Pelipper/Politoed is just popular theorycraft because it requires zero setup.

Sun isn't quite as good this time round without many standout sweepers who can abuse the boosts. Unless you do something like TR Sun then you have Turtonator and A-Marowak...only advantage it has is the slowest setter in Torkoal so it'll always win weather war.

Sand is basically A-Dugtrio, Garchomp, Gastrodon sort of, Stoutland, Palossand, not much choice but not unworkable since it has some pretty powerful mons.

Hail this time round is actually super bulky because of Aurora Veil, has Froslass (do not underestimate this fucker), Ninetales itself is solid, A-Sandslash, Vanilluxe, and Alakazam to some extent (Magic Guard), Jangmo-o (Overcoat + high defenses and offense) and even hell even Pheromosa benefits from it (high s.atk + Blizzard coverage).

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:04:19 No.29937710 Report

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>>29936343
Wait yeha your right, my bad

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:09:24 No.29937817 Report

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>>29937001
Maybe look at what non-attack moves he learns and see if there's any beneficial Z bonuses for them?
http://pastebin.com/d5Hed1cw

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:13:39 No.29937909 Report

Quoted By: >>29937993 >>29938043

I found a mechanic change but I don't know if it applies to VGC at all.
Aegislash no longer changes forms if it can't carry out the move (confusion, sleep, paralysis).

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:17:42 No.29937993 Report

Quoted By: >>29938043

>>29937909
That's actually pretty big.
Fug, I wish we would just get a huge well formatted list already. Especially if all we get is 2 weeks to prepare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:20:17 No.29938043 Report

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>>29937909
>>29937993
I want to know if Malamar has any changes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:25:22 No.29938144 Report

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>>29937001
Aerodactyl is pretty straight forward, it's always been a support in VGC.

Aerodactyl w/Unnerve@Focus Sash/Eject Button
Jolly
Atk 252/Spd 252
-Wide Guard
-Rock Slide
-Protect
-Taunt/Tailwind

Does what it needs to do and does it very well.

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